Intel: XP users causing weak sales

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Grand Master

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~snippy~ productivity

Dot, I accept your comment, but I wish to disagree, should xp get forgotten, most likely yes.

The trouble is, it does work, (A prime example would be the fact that it is used in many things you use today, and never notice, I'll go back to those ATM machines and Self Service checkouts, AND some Automated Filling pumps in some filling stations, believe it or not, but I haven't seen one yet that didn't boot up without an os that wasn't xp in some form or another

 

Like I said, it is time it was forgotten, but as long as it does the job it was intended for, and is economical in it's function (vs the cost of replacing the equipment) it'll probably just keep refusing to die

 

(Heck, there was a member here posting earlier on who has Medical equipment that has xp as a base os)

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Obviously something was wrong with your particular setup(s).  Not saying that blue screens didn't occur...but I'd certainly wouldn't say I had them "regularly". 

I agree with this

 

I've had bsod's with xp, that's partly why I used to look through this site in '02 onwards (before finally joining)

The answers to my problems were here, which is the reason I've stayed,

Actually this, in my mind is a good parallel, I come to neowin when having computer trouble which I cannot fix right away, I don't go to rival tech sites, so one could make their own conclusions on what works for someone, and what doesn't

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intel should build logic in their cpus from now on that will prevent old and outdated windows from running. and just to be on the safe side, the cpu will self destruct after 10 years.

Not very cost effective when talking about corporate purchases :p

But I did spray my drink out laughing when I read this :D

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while joe user has not, many people who are in their 30's-50's have..there was no easy way around dos until windows came around.  you had to know commands.  memorizing a dozen or so commands that you use frequently isn't that big of a deal.  It also helps knowing those commands when a computer search isn't as fast as you typing in a command and hitting enter (most are, but sometimes computers run slow)  knowing the command is much faster in some cases than waiting for the search to complete. . 

Thank you, this saved me some time, I'm 39 and remember my old ms dos 5 286 with a turbo button :p

I remember installing windows ver 3 on it God, now I feel old :(

Grand Master

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What's in there that anyone would possibly need to search for?

Depends, I use %temp% to delete temporary files about once a fortnight, just to make sure 7 runs smoothly,

I have noticed, (ok it was on my old rig which is close to, if not over 10 years old now and was a dual core with 8gb ram) that windows 7 did start up a little quicker with those files gone

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Hey Intel, I did my best to help you fill up your bottom line by purchasing three laptops which I could have get away with by having one only. Now you need to make sure your integrated graphics driver works with the AMD dedicated card.

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Windows XP is actually much better patched that consumer windows 7 will be, that is of course assuming companies are paying for the dedicated extended XP support.

Suddenly not feeling as smug?

 

* Citation needed.

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FloatingFatMan

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Generally, there's no real issue with running XP on machines these days; sometimes its necessary for legacy applications.

 

However, no XP machine should really be connected to the internet anymore, for security reasons if nothing else.  Keep it isolated and it's just fine.

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sinetheo

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I do not know what you do...but if you're in the tech support business then you need to accommodate the client needs. If you can not provide services that they are paying for or if you hate it that much...you should probably find a new profession.

Obviously your hatred for XP has clouded your judgement regarding it.

It is our responsibility to warn our users. If the boss won't upgrade yet holds you liable for exploits it's time to move on. No need to be fired for his incompetence.

I believe Intel is wrong and another recession is around the corner for the cause of weak pc sales. IT gets cut first and inventory builds are always 1st signs before the lay offs

How can you say in a straight face tHat?

Of course the XP machines are Internet enabled. Scada machines even!

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sinetheo

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For Joe user, my time, and my sanity, it is. It was exhausting hunting and pecking in Windows XP for stuff in 2004, and it's equally, if not more exhausting now. There's a reason I refuse to touch these systems. You want Windows XP? Great, then that's your world of hurt to deal with. It's not 2004 anymore.

I've turned a job down before from a company still running XP, and I'll do it again if I have to. It's just not worth it anymore. I want to grow my skills, not recall ones I used as a child.

You know what? This trolling isn't worth my time. Screw you.

Don't agree with you in a lot of areas but do here.

I refuse too. Why should I be held liable on someone else's incompetence? If they get hacked we get a poor performance review.

Also our resumes get out of date as well .

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techbeck

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We still have systems here running XP, or XP Mode in Win7.  Its a must as we have in house software or software that is still needed to connect to out PLC controllers that will not run under Win7.  In order to upgrade the software, the controllers will need to be upgraded which will cost millions.  And good luck getting the our contracts to act, or act quickly, on this.  Removing XP, in some cases, is not as easy as buying a new PC and slapping on something newer.  If anyone implies or thinks it should be easy, then sorry, you dont know what you are talking about.

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techbeck

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Except it's not. Productivity is almost non existent on XP, and is a relic of last decade.

 

For you maybe.

 

How is anyone working on an OS, where it takes twice as long to do anything as it would on Windows 7 or Windows 8? I HATE remoting into an XP, and not finding where I need to go because it's buried in pop up box after pop up box, and there's no search. Don't even get me started on window management.

 

Windows XP only ever did one thing well, and that's this:

 

 

and:

 

 

I see lots of BSODs in every Windows OS.  And its not always Windows fault.  Its 3rd party software and drivers that cause a lot of them .  And all those popup Windows?  I hardly ever saw those in WinXP.

 

And I can go back to Windows 3.1.1 and still find what I need quickly.  Its called learning the OS and where things are at and actually retaining that information.  Hell, I can even go back and play Wold3d and still remember where most of the hidden rooms are.

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While there are deployments of WINDOWS XP that will never be wiped out because of specialized peripherals and/or specialized app that require that nightmare called Internet Explorer 6, any IT staff worth their salaries would be wise to air gap these systems from the outside world.  To the moron who said that any patched WINDOWS XP machine is better than an WINDOWS 7 Box you clearly are ranting for no apparent reason. Lastly, Intel, really? The problem with intel is not so much of a slowdown, its competition that they are seeing has them with a deer in the headlights effect.

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Windows Rot != "using it wrongly". Are you Steve Jobs now? Windows Rot was a fact of life for millions of XP users -and still is. XP PCs are still the most commonly reimaged systems where I work.

I've got XP on a few development PCs for GBA, Gamecube and Dreamcast and it's been on them for, what, 10 years now? They run fine still. XP runs fine if you're not a general user which I'd assume most power users on here aren't, i.e. if you go and download a random toolbar off the net, don't expect to have a stable ad-free system.

I mean, we could also mention the voice system used at national rail train stations in the UK - all the LED signs and the voices are done by XP embedded systems, they're not even mission critical systems and very rarely have I seen them crash or not work.

* Citation needed.

The citation is microsoft being paid a load of money to do extra fixes for XP.

You do understand the concept of a larger system having more code and modules that might go wrong right? Windows 7 has a lot more code than XP, that means much more can potentially go wrong. I'm not saying windows 7 isn't stable because it is, but XP is being patched for paying customers with higher priority than windows 7 is, that's standard in business contracts and SLAs etc.

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This thread here is demonstrates why I no longer post regularly on Neowin.

what does threads like this have to do with the rest of neowin.  just like a radio station, you don't have to jump in if you don't want to....you don't even have to read it.  post where it is relevant to you if you want or don't.  nothing to really get bent over.

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The citation is microsoft being paid a load of money to do extra fixes for XP.

You do understand the concept of a larger system having more code and modules that might go wrong right? Windows 7 has a lot more code than XP, that means much more can potentially go wrong. I'm not saying windows 7 isn't stable because it is, but XP is being patched for paying customers with higher priority than windows 7 is, that's standard in business contracts and SLAs etc.

 

Having worked as a developer since 1988, of course I'm familiar with that concept, and I'm going to say, horsefeathers.

 

Just because W7 is a more complex system, doesn't mean it's harder to maintain.  If anything, the older XP gets, the harder it becomes to maintain as the old systems needed to maintain it themselves become harder and harder to maintain. Hardware wears out, needs to be replaced, and may no longer either exist, or just doesn't have drivers for XP any more.  

 

Eventually, the TCO for XP machines will just become too cost prohibitive to maintain, just like it did for W95 machines, or W3.1.1 before it, and so on and so on. Even on Microsoft's special contracts, they WILL pull the plug on support availability at ANY price, eventually; it will just becomes too expensive to be worth their while to bother with as all their engineers will have moves their skills forwards and no one will want to work with that ancient codebase any more.

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adrynalyne

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So in that respect, at least for computer repair,  that search is not the end all.

Lets be honest with ourselves here.  The feature Dot is referring to is not a tech support tool nor any feature designed for tech support.

This thread here is demonstrates why I no longer post regularly on Neowin.

Differing opinions are a hard thing to accept.

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Correct, plus there is something called the "Run" box. Which I use quite freqent on XP .... want the control panel on XP? ...Windows key +R then type control and press enter.

 

services? Services.msc and press enter

 

is what you do when you can't find what you are looking for :D

 

You make it sound like it takes 100 clicks to do anything, you are just being overly dramatic.

 

He sounds like most of the complaints about the Start Screen actually - "It takes so many more clicks!" The truth is both interfaces work fine - it's all a matter of preference and what you're comfortable with.

 

XP does feel archaic to me (as does 7, TBH), but to others it feels natural.

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techbeck

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You know, does not really matter who hates XP and who loves who.  Or who thinks people are stupid for still using it.  The fact of the matter is, it is still used and needed by many and will take a while for it to go away.  Accept that as a fact as there is no other way to do so.  Seems some people cannot think outside of their own little world and their own usage to see the bigger picture here.

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sinetheo

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I've got XP on a few development PCs for GBA, Gamecube and Dreamcast and it's been on them for, what, 10 years now? They run fine still. XP runs fine if you're not a general user which I'd assume most power users on here aren't, i.e. if you go and download a random toolbar off the net, don't expect to have a stable ad-free system.

I mean, we could also mention the voice system used at national rail train stations in the UK - all the LED signs and the voices are done by XP embedded systems, they're not even mission critical systems and very rarely have I seen them crash or not work.

The citation is microsoft being paid a load of money to do extra fixes for XP.

You do understand the concept of a larger system having more code and modules that might go wrong right? Windows 7 has a lot more code than XP, that means much more can potentially go wrong. I'm not saying windows 7 isn't stable because it is, but XP is being patched for paying customers with higher priority than windows 7 is, that's standard in business contracts and SLAs etc.

Windows ROT is real. It is caused by crappy programs that write to registry during each use or start and causes forks in the database. Forks upon forks upon forks cause very slow startuos.

Windows 7 will not allow non admin apps to do this without a uae prompt. Remember the hell in Vista? Every one of those apps rotted the registry in XP.

FYI rot can happen under 7 too if a service does this. Most poorly made apps stopped the bad practice.

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