Anticipating Windows 10 RTM - would It Be Build 10400 or Build 10800?

[FaiKee]

While we are waiting for an over-due 1014x in fast ring, this article from Windows Blog about Feedbacks is quite interesting:

http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwin...0-development/



Btw, AFAIK(i.e. upto yesterday), MS still have not finalized how to handle the win7OEM upgrade mechanism, there was a bottom-line from Nadella : "No laundering of pirated Windows".

[chrisj1968]

question: I got signed up for the update nag screen style. But do I log into my microsoft account to get the 64bit .ISO file? I want the business edition,  I usually always get the business edition.

 

if anyone can answer me that, I'd be grateful.

[Dot Matrix]

question: I got signed up for the update nag screen style. But do I log into my microsoft account to get the 64bit .ISO file? I want the business edition,  I usually always get the business edition.

 

if anyone can answer me that, I'd be grateful.

You'll get whatever you're running now. It'll be a direct upgrade.

[Boo Berry]

RTM will be build 10200, I'm guessing.

[FaiKee]

Well then , it's 10145

 

[Jose_49]

Well then , it's 10145

 

Sweet! Thanks a lot for posting!

[FaiKee]

Cortana for Android(beta) in July  :

http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwin...g-to-xbox-one/

 

[FaiKee]

LOL, this is something shown in the MS FAQ page in Chinese, but not in the English page, wonder if other language FAQ page has this:

http://www.microsoft.com/zh-hk/windows/windows-10-faq

Translation:

What happens after reservation?
After reservation, you don't need to check it again, When Windows 10 is ready(planned release on Jul 29, 2015). and ready to be installed, this notification will appear on your desktop, just touch or click on the notification and follow the instructions to upgrade, you could also arrange to upgrade on a later time at your convenience.

 

Update: LOL, it also appears in the en-GB FAQ page, but not in the en-US page

[FaiKee]

Seems Win10 Build 10147 en-US X64 leaked, from PCBeta.

[God's Conscious]

I suspect the final build will be build 20150 or 20158

[FaiKee]

LOL, Dell is starting the pre-orders, but all Home's, no Pro.

 

http://www.dell.com/us/p/deals/windows-10-deals?dgc=BA&cid=287047&lid=5494548&acd=12309211850294290

 

[FaiKee]

People are excited over Gabe's blog about the coming Win10RTM, Windows Insiders will be able to upgrade to RTM and activated. Well, yes and no, Gabe already said that you'll need to comply with the Program Agreement, and here it is:

 

https://insider.windows.com/Home/TermsOfUse

 

The RTM for Insiders will be activated over a common generic key, and according to the Agreement:

 

 

If you disable auto-updating, by tweaking or whatever, you breach the Agreement. I heard that Win10 GDR1 is expected to be done around Aug, and a preview build would probably be flighted some time in Aug, and replace the RTM build for Insiders.

 

Of course, it's still a good thing, I have mentioned before, if you couldn't get the Win7/8.1 free upgrade, or you like to get the latest preview builds, this is a good way to run a activated win10, the catch is you need to live with a watermark and a time-bomb.

[FaiKee]

Also, there had been speculations that for win7/8.1 upgrade to win10, activation will be bundled with MS account, I have emphasized that "activation has nothing to do with MS account"

 

 

Like I have posted earlier(which was based on a OSG document I read), activation is based on a "Upgrade Verification Key" and the device HWID, stored in the MS activation servers, just like what MS had been doing from XP to win8.1. The upgrade key is in effect a COEM key, i.e. bundled to the device.

[LUTZIFER]

That get Windows 10 thing says "good to go" for me, but I doubt it.

Havent been able to install so far, either Windows Update or ISO, due to compressed OS.

Why its compressed is beyond me, is a fairly big SSD, and not a tablet.

I surely aint gonna reformat for Windows 10, that's for sure, it aint that good.

[FaiKee]

OK, here's 2 Gabe's tweets:  

1. People might have his different interpretations, but what I figure is "If you get your RTM activated thru Insider Program, then decide to hold on the RTM without updating to the next Preview, then you are not a registered Insider, so guess what would happen to your activated RTM, hehe!!"




2. This is self-explanatory, guess you just have to grab the ISO of the next MS Preview release, and install/upgrade it over your 10147.

[FaiKee]

Yesterday I posted in PCBeta about Gabe's blog, and also posted a screen-shot of his blog,

 

http://bbs.pcbeta.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1607741&pid=43917995&page=1&extra=

 

Now, seems Gabe had added a statement, something about "require genuine win7/8.1 license", you could check it out.

 

LOL, don't ask me what it means, I have no idea, go queue up in Gabe's twitter to ask him to clarify.   

[FaiKee]

Couldn't see why all that fuss about MS editing Gabe's blog, they didn't "backtrack" or "changed mind", they just made the blog "legally correct".

I have pointed out the importance about Gabe's mentioning about the "Insider Agreement", and his reply to Tom Warren that people need to be "a registered Insider" to "stay activated".

It's simple, if you upgrade to RTM as Insider, you get an activated RTM, if you want to stay in RTM, you'll need to opt out of Insider Program, then your copy couldn't "stay activated", if you stay in the Program, per Agreement your RTM will be replaced by mandatory WU in the next Preview release.

If some media people mis-interpretated the process and bragged(incorrectly) about Insiders will have a free and activated Win10RTM to keep forever, it's their own fault, and has no reason to blame MS for backtracking.

[FaiKee]

Gabe finally made up his mind and updated his blog, and it simply was the same thing I had been saying from the very start.

Also yesterday I read in some sites some funny thing about "activation but no license", Windows is a copyright article, when you activate, it means MS agrees you use their copyright article and it always comes with a license by copyright law stipulating your rights and restrictions, no idea how people could have got this funny idea.

[Boo Berry]

Let me see if I got this straight. Say I were to clean install the latest Windows 10 TP right now using an ISO/USB drive (without upgrading from Windows 7/8.1), Windows 10 would become 'preactivated' and will update to the RTM, remain activated and will still function and update as long as I remain an Insider? Essentially getting Windows 10 RTM for free as long as I remain an Insider?

[Stoffel]

So if I were to clean install the latest Windows 10 TP right now using an ISO/USB drive, Windows 10 would be 'preactivated' and will update to the RTM and still function and update as long as I remain an Insider?

Correct. But you have to log into Windows with a MSA. And you will stay an Insider, which means you will get new builds on a regular basis, so this is not a good idea for your main/production machine.

[FaiKee]

So if I were to clean install the latest Windows 10 TP right now using an ISO/USB drive, Windows 10 would be 'preactivated' and will update to the RTM and still function and update as long as I remain an Insider?

Yup, as long as you use your MS account(registered with Insider Program) as main user account, actually the build that matters is the next Preview release, you could start with clean install from that Preview if you like.

 

 

.... @Stoffel beat me in replying, so add something I heard before: The MS activation server will record(for Insider's RTM): MS account, registered with Insider Program+HWID+common generic key, so:

- If you opt out of Insider Program, record will be removed, no activation.

- If you switch device, no activation.

- If next Preview(after RTM) is  out, it has another generic key, if after some period you are still using the RTM generic key, no activation; of course, Windows will display some reminder/warning and ask you to update to next Preview.  

[Dot Matrix]

Let me see if I got this straight. Say I were to clean install the latest Windows 10 TP right now using an ISO/USB drive (without upgrading from Windows 7/8.1), Windows 10 would become 'preactivated' and will update to the RTM, remain activated and will still function and update as long as I remain an Insider? Essentially getting Windows 10 RTM for free as long as I remain an Insider?

You would get pushed new insider builds. Not advisable for a production machine.

[Brian M. Veteran]

Correct. But you have to log into Windows with a MSA. And you will stay an Insider, which means you will get new builds on a regular basis, so this is not a good idea for your main/production machine.

Is there a way to opt out of installing new builds on the device though?

I really don't see why they have made the licensing so complicated - the fact that several very clued up tech heads don't really understand it means it's too complicated. Why couldn't it just be:

- Windows 7/8 License = Activated

- Insider signed in = Activated (could say max 2 or 3 machines)

- Anyone else - pay.

It'd be so much simpler.

[Boo Berry]

Correct. But you have to log into Windows with a MSA. And you will stay an Insider, which means you will get new builds on a regular basis, so this is not a good idea for your main/production machine.

Yeah, I already use a MSA that's already an Insider so that wouldn't be an issue. I can see this being VERY useful for enthusiasts like myself whom changes hardware (e.g. motherboards and SSDs) every couple months or so and not worry about activation issues from doing so. This isn't a production machine so it wouldn't matter much.

Yup, as long as you use your MS account(registered with Insider Program) as main user account, actually the build that matters is the next Preview release, you could start with clean install from that Preview if you like.

Plan to.  I'll probably stick with the fast ring until RTM, then switch to the slow ring.

[Dot Matrix]

Is there a way to opt out of installing new builds on the device though?

Not really. The builds would expire. One way or another, you'd have to continually upgrade.