Supreme Court Rules All States Must License And Recognize Same-Sex Marriages

[Draconian Guppy]

When your state joined the "UNITED" States of America, it conceeded that there are was a single entity known as the Federal government that could create, enforce, and bind all states "UNITED" into enforcing as well.

 

SCOTUS did nothing today but uphold what 38 states and D.C, a vast majority by the way, have concluded on their own. "

+1 The Needs of the Many Outweigh the Needs of the Few"

 

If your state didn't want to be "UNITED", it shouldn't have joined; likewise, your state can seceed, but I highly doubt it will... give and take... such is the order of things.

[seta-san]

When your state joined the "UNITED" States of America, it conceeded that there are was a single entity known as the Federal government that could create, enforce, and bind all states "UNITED" into enforcing as well.

 

SCOTUS did nothing today but uphold what 38 states and D.C, a vast majority by the way, have concluded on their own.

 

If your state didn't want to be "UNITED", it shouldn't have joined; likewise, your state can seceed, but I highly doubt it will... give and take... such is the order of things.

actually when they entered the federal government was rather limited.

the federal government handled: interstate trade/disputes, international trade/disputes/war/treaties, and the indian tribes. Subsequent supreme courts declared themselves the ultimate arbiter of the law... and then began expanding the scope of the federal government through the "commerce clause" which allows the federal government to regulate interstate commerce to a size and scope the founders never envisioned.

 

 

-some states did try to secede. it was a little affair that we've been arguing about all week. it was the confederacy.

[HeartsOfWar]

actually when they entered the federal government was rather limited.

the federal government handled: interstate trade/disputes, international trade/disputes/war/treaties, and the indian tribes. Subsequent supreme courts declared themselves the ultimate arbiter of the law... and then began expanding the scope of the federal government through the "commerce clause" which allows the federal government to regulate interstate commerce to a size and scope the founders never envisioned.

 

As are all things in their beginnings. It takes time to realize full potential.

[Ralph3100]

When your state joined the "UNITED" States of America, it conceeded that there are was a single entity known as the Federal government that could create, enforce, and bind all states "UNITED" into enforcing as well.

 

SCOTUS did nothing today but uphold what 38 states and D.C, a vast majority by the way, have concluded on their own.

 

If your state didn't want to be "UNITED", it shouldn't have joined; likewise, your state can seceed, but I highly doubt it will... give and take... such is the order of things.

 

They DID NOT uphold state laws established in 38 states, but rather took that power away from the remaining 12 and established a federal decree stating that SSM was now law.

[seta-san]

As are all things in their beginnings. It takes time to realize full potential.

it's nice to watch a perfect small diamond turn into a giant piece of ######.

[Tomo]

Say what now?!? Do you have any proof for this or is this just bible dribble?

What the ###### are you going on about? I don't need to prove something that bothers me.

[seta-san]

What the ###### are you going on about? I don't need to prove something that bothers me.

he misread you and thought you were a bible thumper. I did not. I still want to know why you're conflating an argument about a government license with whether or not the government allows people to love each other.

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[HeartsOfWar]

They DID NOT uphold state laws established in 38 states, but rather took that power away from the remaining 12 and established a federal decree stating that SSM was now law.

 

Such is the nature of a representative democracy. I may or may not have voted for Obama, but I have had to call him President for almost 8 years now. Give and take...

it's nice to watch a perfect small diamond turn into a giant piece of ######.

 

Sorry you feel that way.

[HawkMan]

So, Driver's licenses should be done on a Federal level as well? After all, I do drive to other states without first being licensed in those states... The same is true for my Car regarding tags, registration, and inspections.

 

But if you get your license in one state you can drive through all states without having to retake the test for every state, and some state telling you you can't get a license because you're a guy. 

[Night Prowler]

So, Driver's licenses should be done on a Federal level as well? After all, I do drive to other states without first being licensed in those states... The same is true for my Car regarding tags, registration, and inspections.

 

Marriage licenses are state by state. I think anytime the federal government wants to jump in and make laws, they should be the ones to enforce them, and take all responsibility for implementing, and maintaining.

 

I think the federal government needs to come in and license and maintain the necessary resources to make sure that there are protections for those that opt out to not be sued for discrimination based on the fact that this law was forced on them.

 

I also believe that drives licenses really need to be federally regulated. It just makes good sense to be able for all the sate and federal agencies to go to one place for that information. It also makes good sense to federally regulate the driving laws. Put everyone on the same page, it only makes sense. Why should someone with a suspended license for a DUI in one state be able to move to another state and be able to get a drivers license and drive.

[HawkMan]

Full Faith & Credit Clause of the US Constitution...

 

 

 

 

Source: US Constitution

 

yeah, but wouldn't that also be the reason this needed to be a federal issue. drivers license states follow that law. But that same law should also apply for SSM where people get married in another state, then it should be recognized in the others, it wasn't so it had to be taken to court and made a federal law since states didn't follow the law in the first place. 

what bugs me is that some people turn a debate about marriage into a straw-man debate about whether two people are allowed to love each other. for the record they do, with or without a government's approval. What we're talking about here is a license; a  pieces of paper that can be granted, denied, or revoked based on certain criteria.

 

The issue is that that paper gives certain privileges and advantages that they otherwise can't get. 

[Draconian Guppy]

What the ###### are you going on about? I don't need to prove something that bothers me.

Well to be fair you said gay couples can't love each other the  way straight couples do, why? Feelings are feelings no matter genre, reproduction, is a whole different story.

[seta-san]

yeah, but wouldn't that also be the reason this needed to be a federal issue. drivers license states follow that law. But that same law should also apply for SSM where people get married in another state, then it should be recognized in the others, it wasn't so it had to be taken to court and made a federal law since states didn't follow the law in the first place. 

 

The issue is that that paper gives certain privileges and advantages that they otherwise can't get. 

well that's fine... but why is he making it out to be about whether a person is legally allowed to love another person?

[HawkMan]

 

 

I think the federal government needs to come in and license and maintain the necessary resources to make sure that there are protections for those that opt out to not be sued for discrimination based on the fact that this law was forced on them.

 

 

Say what now...

well that's fine... but why is he making it out to be about whether a person is legally allowed to love another person?

 

Some people for whatever reasons and/or beliefs feel the need to be married to show their love.

[FloatingFatMan]

Well to be fair you said gay couples can't love each other the  way straight couples do, why? Feelings are feelings no matter genre, reproduction, is a whole different story.

 

Dude, you totally misread his post. Try reading it again, maybe a few times.

[Draconian Guppy]

What bothers me is that some people can't accept that two people of the same sex can be happy and love each other in the same way that straight couples do.

Ah FTFY, totally misread your post!

[Clirion]

Yes, they should.  Otherwise, how can you legally drive in another state unless you have a driver's license issued there?

This is not how the US is setup. 

 

Can you legally drive in France if you do not have a Drivers License there?   If so, How*?

 

*(I am pretty sure you can due to reciprocal agreements.)

 

If you cannot, the EU should take over all Driver issues for the EU. 

[Draconian Guppy]

Dude, you totally misread his post. Try reading it again, maybe a few times.

And you are right the "cannot" is confusing.

[seta-san]

Say what now...

 

Some people for whatever reasons and/or beliefs feel the need to be married to show their love.

 the question is rhetorical. I already know why and he doesn't want to admit it. He's trying to force emotion into the discussion. Liberals love making things emotional.

[FloatingFatMan]

 

And you are right the "cannot" is confusing.

 

It happens dude. I blame Fridays.

[TPreston]

June 26, 2015: a date which will live in infamy.

[HeartsOfWar]

So, Driver's licenses should be done on a Federal level as well? After all, I do drive to other states without first being licensed in those states... The same is true for my Car regarding tags, registration, and inspections.

 

On the one hand you are talking about something as complex as a human being and their equality and on the other you are talking about something less complex and a privilege.

 

They are two different situations...

[FloatingFatMan]

This is not how the US is setup. 

 

Can you legally drive in France if you do not have a Drivers License there?   If so, How*?

 

*(I am pretty sure you can due to reciprocal agreements.)

 

If you cannot, the EU should take over all Driver issues for the EU. 

 

You missed the inference.  The various US states recognize most things from state to state because of a similar reciprocal law, yet refused to acknowledge SSM's. This is a legal disparity that could not be left to stand.

[Draconian Guppy]

 

 

 

 

It happens dude. I blame Fridays.

 

 

 

Indeed, my apologies to the poster.