Louisiana won't Recognize Same-Sex Marriages

[T3X4S]

Do you know who originally wrote this? Was it the person that sent it to you or someone else?

The person who sent it to me, merely said "a friend sent this to me" - he never said "my friend wrote it" or "he wrote it"

So I dont know

I tried searching some of the text verbatim and didn't pull up an exact match

The title of the document was "An invented right" v 1^st Amendment"

However the title of the email was "The Practice of Homosexuality and The decline of Morality"

[ThaCrip]

Louisiana won't Recognize Same-Sex Marriages

 

Good. some states still have some standards unlike the supreme court.

 

the way i see it... the further society as a whole drifts away from God (and His standards) the worse it gets in the long run (allowing Gay Marriage (and the like) is another step away from God). but good luck getting many people in society today to see that simple truth that the more sin in the world the worse it gets.

 

on a side note: http://goo.gl/DldZ7r (Glorifying homosexuality sign of society

[mudslag]

Good. some states still have some standards unlike the supreme court.

 

the way i see it... the further society as a whole drifts away from God (and His standards) the worse it gets in the long run (allowing Gay Marriage (and the like) is another step away from God). but good luck getting many people in society today to see that simple truth that the more sin in the world the worse it gets.

 

on a side note: http://goo.gl/DldZ7r (Glorifying homosexuality sign of society

[ThaCrip]

You don't have to support them but your religious views on marriage start and stop at your front door. You can't impose your religious belief regarding marriage on others. If you don't like gay marriage, don't marry a same sex partner. 

 

Well America had those standards for a long time and then in a very short period of time (maybe 10-15 years or so) changed. people became more corrupt. where does it end?

 

i don't think they start and stop and the front door when it's a view a lot of people had for a long time which helps form the standards of society. Marriage will always be between a man and a woman in the eyes of God. this can never change.

 

even religion aside... there are studies that say children need a father and a mother.

[FloatingFatMan]

Well America had those standards for a long time and then in a very short period of time (maybe 10-15 years or so) changed. people became more corrupt. where does it end?

America also had slavery for a long time, then in a very short period of time, changed. People became more humane to each other, where does it end?

 

i don't think they start and stop and the front door when it's a view a lot of people had for a long time which helps form the standards of society. Marriage will always be between a man and a woman in the eyes of God. this can never change.

 

even religion aside... there are studies that say children need a father and a mother.

 

If you're going to bring fairy tales and superstition into the conversation, first you must prove they exist, otherwise they have zero relevance or place in the discussion. Here'a a little history lesson for you.  Marriage existed long before organised religion, long before the god of the Christians or the god of the Jews. Long before the gods of the Romans, or the Greeks, or the Sumerians, Hittites, or any other early civilisation you care to name.  

 

Marriage has had many forms over the millennia, it has been between man, woman, man & man, woman & woman, groups, children and so on.  Who are you, a tiny minority in an upstart little nation with barely 600 years under its belt, to dictate to the world what marriage should be?

[ThaCrip]

America also had slavery for a long time, then in a very short period of time, changed. People became more humane to each other, where does it end?

 

 

If you're going to bring fairy tales and superstition into the conversation, first you must prove they exist, otherwise they have zero relevance or place in the discussion. Here'a a little history lesson for you.  Marriage existed long before organised religion, long before the god of the Christians or the god of the Jews. Long before the gods of the Romans, or the Greeks, or the Sumerians, Hittites, or any other early civilisation you care to name.  

 

Marriage has had many forms over the millennia, it has been between man, woman, man & man, woman & woman, groups, children and so on.  Who are you, a tiny minority in an upstart little nation with barely 600 years under its belt, to dictate to the world what marriage should be?

 

Slavery is wrong though (denying people their basic freedom) so it's no wonder why that was abolished. sin on the other hand can't be accepted as normal/no big deal.

 

the kind of proof you are looking for you are unlikely to find as i have a feeling you just won't believe even if it was right in front of you. http://goo.gl/lQ03FV ; science says that should not be possible (tied to Catholic religion).

 

also, i am not dictating what marriage is. God is. any true Christians are against gay marriage which means a good portion of the planet. surely not a tiny minority to say the least.

[FloatingFatMan]

Slavery is wrong though (denying people their basic freedom) so it's no wonder why that was abolished. sin on the other hand can't be accepted as normal/no big deal.

 

the kind of proof you are looking for you are unlikely to find as i have a feeling you just won't believe even if it was right in front of you. http://goo.gl/lQ03FV ; science says that should not be possible (tied to Catholic religion).

 

also, i am not dictating what marriage is. God is. any true Christians are against gay marriage which means a good portion of the planet. surely not a tiny minority to say the least.

 

Yes, you ARE dictating what marriage is. Not everyone subscribes to your god delusion, so telling them what they can or cannot do is 100% coming from the mouths of humans to other humans.

 

As for that link; fairy tales.  Prove it actually happened.

[ThaCrip]

Yes, you ARE dictating what marriage is. Not everyone subscribes to your god delusion, so telling them what they can or cannot do is 100% coming from the mouths of humans to other humans.

 

As for that link; fairy tales.  Prove it actually happened.

 

Well that's the thing... religion does play a part of society as it helps form peoples moral views. without a good moral guide people pretty much make stuff up as they go and it slowly gets worse and worse.

 

you got to draw the line somewhere

 

link is not fairy tales, but truth. if something cannot be preserved for that long, but yet remains... that surely has to say something.

[mudslag]

Well America had those standards for a long time and then in a very short period of time (maybe 10-15 years or so) changed. people became more corrupt. where does it end?

 

 

Accepting gay marriage doesn't in anyway equate being corrupt. 

 

 

i don't think they start and stop and the front door when it's a view a lot of people had for a long time which helps form the standards of society. Marriage will always be between a man and a woman in the eyes of God. this can never change.

 

even religion aside... there are studies that say children need a father and a mother.

 

 

 

America has changed many views in it's few hundred years of existence, this isn't anything new in that regard. It doesn't matter if many of you share said view, again it's your belief that marriage is part of god's plan or what ever. It's not your job to make sure others accept that belief and it's not your right to keep someone else from getting married because you hold that belief. You keep talking about god when god has nothing to do with anyone's marriage that doesn't share the same view of god as you. Marriage is purely about those who get married, not you or anyone else. If god really wants his views heard on marriage then its up to god to present those views directly, not through third party like yourself. 

 

Children is moot as marriage isn't about having kids. You don't need marriage to have them and you don't need to have them if you get married. There are studies that show children of same sex couples do just as fine as others. Your point is moot. 

[mudslag]

Well that's the thing... religion does play a part of society as it helps form peoples moral views. without a good moral guide people pretty much make stuff up as they go and it slowly gets worse and worse.

 

you got to draw the line somewhere

 

link is not fairy tales, but truth. if something cannot be preserved for that long, but yet remains... that surely has to say something.

 

 

 

You can be just as morally good or bad with or without religion. You don't need god telling you have to behave. 

[FloatingFatMan]

Well that's the thing... religion does play a part of society as it helps form peoples moral views. without a good moral guide people pretty much make stuff up as they go and it slowly gets worse and worse.

 

you got to draw the line somewhere

 

link is not fairy tales, but truth. if something cannot be preserved for that long, but yet remains... that surely has to say something.

 

All it says is that religious types are good at spinning a yarn.  Unless the events were corroborated by people who had -nothing- to do with the church, it just so much fiction, like the bible is.

 

And I can assure you I have plenty of morals, morals that are not imposed on me through fear of what may happen to my "soul" should I commit sin. I am without sin and can never commit it for sin is a crime against something which doesn't exist, and how is it possible to offend something that isn't there?

[Rippleman]

 i am not dictating what marriage is.

 

Marriage existed long before the invention of Yahweh.

 

religion does play a part of society as it helps form peoples moral views. 

 

Didn't you just say slavery is bad? And now you are saying religion helps people? religion supports slavery. Are you sure you read your bible? 

 

 

any true Christians

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

 

 

also, i am not dictating what marriage is. God is.

 

 

Which biblical marriage type (as dictated by yahweh) is your favorite?

 

[theyarecomingforyou]

Well that's the thing... religion does play a part of society as it helps form peoples moral views. without a good moral guide people pretty much make stuff up as they go and it slowly gets worse and worse.

Christianity is a TERRIBLE moral guide. It advocates sexism, homophobia, murder, violence and slavery. It is one of the reasons there is so much intolerance in the world, along with other organised religions (Islam, Judaism). I'm non-religious and my moral compass is just fine.

 

The sooner religion disappears the sooner society will improve.

[hagjohn]

Valid question, one that I don't have a ready answer for. But that doesn't mean that the quick fix of "fire all the Christians!" is automatically the right choice. Just means the compromise needs to be well-thought out.

 

Not every Christian has an issue. So far, only a few seem to find it morally unacceptable to give a license to a gay couple but do not seem to have an issue giving an license to non-virgin, unwed w/ children, divorced and adultery couples. Go figure.

[Lazy8s]

Well that's the thing... religion does play a part of society as it helps form peoples moral views. without a good moral guide people pretty much make stuff up as they go and it slowly gets worse and worse.

Hope you don't mind if I toss in a PoV here...what you're saying here is a very dangerous and slippery slope to go down. Many self professed Christians, both in the US and around the world, have really shamed the name of Christ in the public eye after demanding a certain code/law/outlook be adopted in his name, and then breaking that very code/law/outlook themselves.

Personally, my own moral code hasn't changed a whole lot from before I accepted Christ to after. What has changed are my efforts to follow it. Being a Christian puts me under a microscope. I slip up and I had better be ready to take my lumps like a man, so to speak. But how this ties into the topic is that, If I'm going to live as a Christian, I need to accept certain things, like the fact that I cannot change the world, or even one person. The best I can hope for is to present an example to someone that I can only hope mirrors a little of Jesus. Be slow to anger, don't condemn, Love lots and rant and control little....

What Christians today are doing is taking a book that is relevant for learning, but is based on a law which has been superceded, the OT. And at the very end of the NT (Rev 22:11) we are told in no uncertain terms to allow people to live as they do. And I've made some very good friends over the years doing exactly that.

I know how this may look, and to clarify, I'm not attempting to lecture, not at all, so please don't take it that way. I just think it's important to note that there's a good reason that every single book in the NT with the exception of the 4 gospels is written specifically to Christians, yet so many Christians are trying to force the tenants of those books on people who are not Christians......

Just my humble 2 cents.

Peace

[Rippleman]

I need to accept certain things, like the fact that I cannot change the world, or even one person.

 

The world has drastically changed since christianity was unleashed upon the world.

 

1) Witches are no longer burned (in western society).

2) People are not longer stoned to death for menial things (in western society).

3) Slavery was abolished (in western society).

4) Women were given equal rights (in western society).

5) Blacks and now given equal rights as whites (in western society).

6) Gays are now given equal rights as everyone (in western society).

 

etc etc etc....

 

People CAN and DO change the world little by little. Religion holds society back by NOT trying to change it.

 

What Christians today are doing is taking a book that is relevant for learning,

 

For christians maybe, the rest of the world are starting to see it as a tool for learning what NOT to do.

 

 

Being a Christian puts me under a microscope.

 

Everyone is, repercussions for one's actions are independent and irrelevant of the belief of how the person individually feels about the action.

 

yet so many Christians are trying to force the tenants of those books on people who are not Christians......

 

 You must not follow christianity very well... the very foundation of what you believe is based in blackmail. Love and accept yahweh or burn in hell forever. If that's not forcing, what the heck would you consider being forced? lol.

[tompkin]

Well America had those standards for a long time and then in a very short period of time (maybe 10-15 years or so) changed. people became more corrupt. where does it end?

 

i don't think they start and stop and the front door when it's a view a lot of people had for a long time which helps form the standards of society. Marriage will always be between a man and a woman in the eyes of God. this can never change.

 

even religion aside... there are studies that say children need a father and a mother.

If I may respectfully ask, what years are you referring to when you say 10-15 years?

Also, (you don't have to answer, of course), are you of the Catholic or Protestant persuasion? I ask because I"m Protestant and don't know the Catholic beliefs well.

[Lazy8s]

You must not follow christianity very well... the very foundation of what you believe is based in blackmail. Love and accept yahweh or burn in hell forever. If that's not forcing, what the heck would you consider being forced? lol.

You have an extremely distorted view of Christianity. It's easy to understand why given some of the more public examples of what Christianity is. Whether I follow "it" well or not isn't up to you, or even me really, to judge.

Regarding your list:

1. People have manufactured plenty to replace the witches. Plenty of folks get burned at the figurative stake all over the world.

2. Police brutality (Mike Garner, Tamir Rice - the list is way to long. Why stone when you can shoot?

3. Slavery has been replaced in western society by the 1%ers milking everyone else for their money.

4. Somewhat. The world over they're still treated like trash in large part.

5 & 6. More equal rights isn't a bad thing, no argument there.

On the OT as a learning tool, again you have an extremely distorted view of what I said. #1 my statement is a direct NT biblical reference, not a suggestion to you, and #2, oddly enough the bible also uses it as a deterrent against certain beliefs and actions.

The microscope comment - My concern is how Christians are representing Jesus. The rest of the world is going to do what it does regardless of that.

[T3X4S]

Well that's the thing... religion does play a part of society as it helps form peoples moral views. without a good moral guide people pretty much make stuff up as they go and it slowly gets worse and worse.

 

you got to draw the line somewhere

 

link is not fairy tales, but truth. if something cannot be preserved for that long, but yet remains... that surely has to say something.

Let me see if I have this right,

You are actually using the bible as your moral compass, and think everyone else should as well ?  Are you mental ?  Have you even read the thing ?  I have - its a disgusting joke of a book.  a 1700 yr old fiction that advocates genocide, jealousy, bigotry, incest, murder, slavery, hate, - oh hell I could go on - re-read Exodus, or hell - re-read all of it - it is a simple minded book written by men almost 2000 years ago (the Iron Age) with ZERO divine influence... ZERO.  It is a hodgepodge of era-centric beliefs, that only now people who are faithful are beginning to make excuses for the painfully obvious silly parts (ie the Old Testament) - how many times have you heard, "well thats the Old Testament - thats all just allegory" ?  How nice you can just delete 1/2 the bible you claim is god's spoke word...  

This is your moral lightning rod ?  This is the book that tells you what is right and wrong ?  FloatingFatMan brought up slavery was in the bible, your reply, "well thats just..."  you're dismissing what your god said was OK ?  You know better than your god for these modern times ??  I believe thats called heresy.

Your thoughts tell me 3 things:

You never read the bible

You didnt understand it because you were too young when you forced to go by your family

You have absolutely no idea what good and bad is, truth or fiction, right or wrong.

Most people aren't capable of original thought - they simply dont have the capacity - so they follow others, making miniscule decisions throughout life - If you're a decent person, nothing really wrong with that per se, but others question things, want to find out the answers, and make their own decisions, not simply regurgitate what they were told without further thought.

So -  dont talk about the bible when saying what is right and wrong - because then anyone could introduce making the same moral choices from Mother Goose, or Humpty Dumpty - and will bypass all the killing.  Hmmm might be something to that....

 

[FloatingFatMan]

Most people aren't capable of original thought - they simply dont have the capacity - so they follow others, making miniscule decisions throughout life - If you're a decent person, nothing really wrong with that per se, but others question things, want to find out the answers, and make their own decisions, not simply regurgitate what they were told without further thought.

 

For some reason, I feel really quite saddened by that concept.  I agree with you for the most part, but, it really quite sad, isn't it?

 

I honestly don't believe I'm in any way superior to any of my fellow humans, but I'm intelligent, thoughtful, and have had many original thoughts in my life. Surely, -everyone- should be capable of doing that, right?  I think they just need the will...

[T3X4S]

For some reason, I feel really quite saddened by that concept.  I agree with you for the most part, but, it really quite sad, isn't it?

 

I honestly don't believe I'm in any way superior to any of my fellow humans, but I'm intelligent, thoughtful, and have had many original thoughts in my life. Surely, -everyone- should be capable of doing that, right?  I think they just need the will...

You know I thought for a couple minutes before typing that - I was going off on a tangent and didnt want to sound pompous, or that I think I am smarter than everyone else... but then I thought of everyday observences, what the supposed average IQ is, blah blah blah - and I thought - well I am going to include this, but I need to word it in a way that isnt so spiteful - so I threw in that it is perfectly OK - you can be a good person without being insightful - and being a good person is more important to most than being a genius.  I honestly believe that is true - I fail miserably at being a good person - I dont particularly care for people - I wish I was a more pleasant person who cherished the life of others.  I dont go out of my way to harm people, but, for the most part, I dont care if they are harmed.  dogs ... I do care about them being harmed... kills me...

But yes it is sad, I wish everyone could enjoy inquisitive thought, to really think about something, the origin, the infinite chain of events that culminate in a particular instance that happens so fast it is forgotten almost immediately - The amazing subatomic aspects of matter - most things we see around us are made of nothing... just air and some molecules -  simply fascinating.  When you mention things like this, the common reply is "oh I never thought about that, or just a deer in the headlights look, but most of the time - I get the , "damn, you really are a nerd !" playful comment.

 

[FloatingFatMan]

^ I just can't really imagine people NOT thinking about stuff like that! I know I certainly do. Not all the time obviously, but quite a lot.  I never accept -anything- on face value UNLESS the person doing the telling has excellent credentials in the field they're talking about, and even then, I read up on it.  -Everything- interests me.

[T3X4S]

^ I just can't really imagine people NOT thinking about stuff like that! I know I certainly do. Not all the time obviously, but quite a lot.  I never accept -anything- on face value UNLESS the person doing the telling has excellent credentials in the field they're talking about, and even then, I read up on it.  -Everything- interests me.

amen brutha

[Rippleman]

You have an extremely distorted view of Christianity. 

 

And I suppose I should view it like you? Isn't this what every single one of the 40,000 individual christian denominations say to everyone (including other christians) outside their own individual interpretation?

 

 

Regarding your list:

 

Excuses and horrible comparisons by any standard.

 

 

On the OT as a learning tool, again you have an extremely distorted view of what I said. #1 my statement is a direct NT biblical reference,

 

You may not know this, but it's the same deity in the both the first and second testament. A common, but still big,  oversight from christians. You can't have one without the other and must take the good with the bad. Sorry.

 

The microscope comment - My concern is how Christians are representing Jesus. The rest of the world is going to do what it does regardless of that.

 

You personally may have this concern, but luckily the world is quickly (relatively) seeing mythology for what it is. The belief in supernatural deities is being replaced by common sense and humanism, slowly but surely as seen by the last  100 years. This ruling on gay marriage is just another rejection of an immoral law set upon the world by people who believe in magic, thankfully.

[Rippleman]

And yes, I'm well aware it's the same God in both books. Do you even have a point there?

 

Then why act as if it's a good deity?

 

 

It's amusing, this antagonistic atitude you have towards someone you've never met.... everything you've typed to me so far basically reeks of internet tough guy garbage.

 

It's amusing, since you are doing the very same thing. You have an odd sense of what an "internet tough guy" is.... you mean someone who disagrees with your points? Then yes, and this is me in real life as well. Don't like it? Too bad. Your beliefs are open to be challenged. If they were perfect beliefs, what would be to challenge? Says a lot right there doesn't it?

 

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If you ask anyone around me, I am the happiest, most feel good person they know. To a christian person who is for the oppression of the rights of others, I can see how they might see it as angry, but its not, its a passion to treat people good and fair.

 

 

I don't engage you for you, I engage you for the benefit of others who may be reading/will read this chat now and/or in the future and can see the flaws of your arguments. If no one argued your points, we would be in a society that would still be similar to the ancient middle east. You should be happy that "my diaper is full and I'm angry" people exist. Without us, society is stuck.