David-T-Rex Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 I bought a small 7" tablet for a friend for his birthday to read comics on (they were using the laptopt. They have not had the update notification - I assume it is probably not going to be updated? Anyone have any suggestions on how the process will work - its pertty full of files Its only got 32Gb of storage and its nearly full Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1263930-small-tablet-update/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahorsepip Veteran Posted July 11, 2015 Veteran Share Posted July 11, 2015 Windows 10 will be available after july 29th for those devices, these devices weren't compatible with the insider preview either. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1263930-small-tablet-update/#findComment-596922074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
David-T-Rex Posted July 11, 2015 Author Share Posted July 11, 2015 Thanks - Do you know how they are going to manage it - I would asume they are going to have to find some space for it somewhere like the recovery partition Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1263930-small-tablet-update/#findComment-596922078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xendrome Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 It's a compressed install.wim that runs from the recovery partition. This will be part of the Windows 10 with Bing rollout. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1263930-small-tablet-update/#findComment-596922088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted July 11, 2015 MVC Share Posted July 11, 2015 Windows 10 will be available after july 29th for those devices, these devices weren't compatible with the insider preview either. I Installed Windows 10 insider on my Stream 7 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1263930-small-tablet-update/#findComment-596922218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
George P Global Moderator Posted July 11, 2015 Global Moderator Share Posted July 11, 2015 If you have a device with a compressed install and limited space I believe the newest builds, at install time, ask for you to use/connect either a SD card or some other storage device, I remember I saw a picture of the install window asking for this. In this case it'll use the SD card to make up for the lack of space, for 16GB devices mostly, and then complete the install. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1263930-small-tablet-update/#findComment-596922332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xendrome Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 If you have a device with a compressed install and limited space I believe the newest builds, at install time, ask for you to use/connect either a SD card or some other storage device, I remember I saw a picture of the install window asking for this. In this case it'll use the SD card to make up for the lack of space, for 16GB devices mostly, and then complete the install. Tried this with the last ISO on my TW700 Winbook. It failed into a reboot loop after, had to factory restore. Paul Thurrott had the same issue goretsky 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1263930-small-tablet-update/#findComment-596922350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahorsepip Veteran Posted July 11, 2015 Veteran Share Posted July 11, 2015 I Installed Windows 10 insider on my Stream 7 I suppose you had to manually install it by following a windows 8 guide for small Windows installs? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1263930-small-tablet-update/#findComment-596922352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
George P Global Moderator Posted July 11, 2015 Global Moderator Share Posted July 11, 2015 Tried this with the last ISO on my TW700 Winbook. It failed into a reboot loop after, had to factory restore. Paul Thurrott had the same issue Hmm, well, we'll see how it works itself out going forward. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1263930-small-tablet-update/#findComment-596922354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor_Mouth Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Your friend is better off staying with Windows 8. He will not have a good time using windows 10 on such a small screen. He will need to run everything at 200%, which will leave him no room for looking at anything on the screen. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1263930-small-tablet-update/#findComment-596922664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahorsepip Veteran Posted July 12, 2015 Veteran Share Posted July 12, 2015 Your friend is better off staying with Windows 8. He will not have a good time using windows 10 on such a small screen. He will need to run everything at 200%, which will leave him no room for looking at anything on the screen. Where did you get this ridiculous opinion from? Modern apps are still the same so are desktop apps also on a 8 inch screen. MikeChipshop 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1263930-small-tablet-update/#findComment-596922998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor_Mouth Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Where did you get this ridiculous opinion from? Modern apps are still the same so are desktop apps also on a 8 inch screen. Not really. IE 11 is usable on an 8" tablet, Edge is not. Most people spend most of their tablet time browsing the web so a good, touch-friendly browser is essential. Windows 10 doesn't have one. Also, having the Taskbar active in Tablet Mode is hugely inconvenient. Every time I pick my tablet up, I accidentally open something or close something or launch something. Having that sort of thing near the edge of your screen is a terrible idea for devices you pick up and put down regularly. It needs to be hidden unless and until you need it. Even then, the OS itself is simply no longer suited to tablet operation. Touch targets are all far too small for things like easy access to Wi-Fi settings or connecting to an external display. Even Cortana isn't much help, as it will only work in three countries in the entire world at launch and it could be years before it works in enough places to be considered a worthwhile aid for tablet use. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1263930-small-tablet-update/#findComment-596923086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahorsepip Veteran Posted July 12, 2015 Veteran Share Posted July 12, 2015 Not really. IE 11 is usable on an 8" tablet, Edge is not. Most people spend most of their tablet time browsing the web so a good, touch-friendly browser is essential. Windows 10 doesn't have one. Also, having the Taskbar active in Tablet Mode is hugely inconvenient. Every time I pick my tablet up, I accidentally open something or close something or launch something. Having that sort of thing near the edge of your screen is a terrible idea for devices you pick up and put down regularly. It needs to be hidden unless and until you need it. Even then, the OS itself is simply no longer suited to tablet operation. Touch targets are all far too small for things like easy access to Wi-Fi settings or connecting to an external display. Even Cortana isn't much help, as it will only work in three countries in the entire world at launch and it could be years before it works in enough places to be considered a worthwhile aid for tablet use. IE 10 is still there and not going to be removed... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1263930-small-tablet-update/#findComment-596923140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xendrome Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 IE 10 is still there and not going to be removed... You mean 11. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1263930-small-tablet-update/#findComment-596923142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahorsepip Veteran Posted July 12, 2015 Veteran Share Posted July 12, 2015 You mean 11. My bad Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1263930-small-tablet-update/#findComment-596923146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
abecedarian paradoxious Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Your friend is better off staying with Windows 8. He will not have a good time using windows 10 on such a small screen. He will need to run everything at 200%, which will leave him no room for looking at anything on the screen.Patently false assumption and I suggest you know what you're talking about before you open your mouth... or type on the keyboard. Win10 IS no worse an experience on a 7" tablet than Win8/8.1. Matter of fact: my experience so far with 10 on a Toshiba Encore 7" is rather pleasant. Edge works fine- no worse than IE11 regarding consumption of screen space. The default text size is entirely legible without any sort of zoom factor applied as well. Win10 recognizes and can switch between both the front and rear facing cameras. No sound issues. Graphics performance is about on par with any notebook or laptop with a similar processor and built-in Intel HD graphics. The Win10 installation isn't consuming much more of the HDD space than WIMBOOT did. Being able to set documents, photos and music to be saved to the SD card by default will definitely help conserve drive space. My only frustration here is that the option to save programs to the SD card is greyed out. After provisioning accounts for my nephew, my wife and I, installing Office 2013/365, and getting the games they like to play- Farmville 2, Angry Birds- Star Wars and a half-dozen others, the 16GB drive still has almost 4GB free. There is one bug where portrait mode displays the screen 180 off, and this is bearable since we rarely hold the tablet in such an orientation; we're using Toshiba's drivers so this shouldn't happen, so it may be a DWM issue and has been reported to Microsoft... and may not be an issue with other, similar tablets. I find desktop mode on this tablet to be more "friendly"- I just had to set the taskbar to display the on-screen keyboard icon since the OSK won't always pop up for some of the text boxes. Tablet mode is okay, too, but just not what I'm used to. This tablet is my nephew's, and he hated me for doing what I did to it... at first. After a few hours use, learning how the start menu is different than Win8/8.1 and such, and he's breezing through it as if it were this way from the first time he powered it up. David-T-Rex 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1263930-small-tablet-update/#findComment-596923224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
siah1214 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 I'd ignore motor_mouth he posts the same thing in every thread. abecedarian paradoxious, Nogib and David-T-Rex 3 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1263930-small-tablet-update/#findComment-596923230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
David-T-Rex Posted July 12, 2015 Author Share Posted July 12, 2015 Your friend is better off staying with Windows 8. He will not have a good time using windows 10 on such a small screen. He will need to run everything at 200%, which will leave him no room for looking at anything on the screen. Just as well he listens to my opinion and then makes up his own mind. He has never been one to go - "the internet hates it so it must be rubbish" Thanks to everyone else for the replies. I have 2 issues with Windows 10 on tablet mode 1. Not being able to get to desktop easily - I bet that wont last long, there will be a tile for that 2. When viewing media the taskbar is there. So cant get proper fullscreen - not that that makes it much diffrent to using the phone - but would be nice for it to dissapear and slide up to view. (again I would think that would come at some point as well) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1263930-small-tablet-update/#findComment-596923262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
link6155 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 2. When viewing media the taskbar is there. So cant get proper fullscreen - not that that makes it much diffrent to using the phone - but would be nice for it to dissapear and slide up to view. (again I would think that would come at some point as well) You can have the taskbar autohide by right clicking the taskbar in desktop mode and going into the taskbar properties. If you need to access the taskbar, you can swipe up from the bottom to have it temporary shown. David-T-Rex 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1263930-small-tablet-update/#findComment-596923276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
David-T-Rex Posted July 12, 2015 Author Share Posted July 12, 2015 You can have the taskbar autohide by right clicking the taskbar in desktop mode and going into the taskbar properties. If you need to access the taskbar, you can swipe up from the bottom to have it temporary shown. THANK YOU. Been bugging me for ages. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1263930-small-tablet-update/#findComment-596923356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
George P Global Moderator Posted July 12, 2015 Global Moderator Share Posted July 12, 2015 You can have the taskbar autohide by right clicking the taskbar in desktop mode and going into the taskbar properties. If you need to access the taskbar, you can swipe up from the bottom to have it temporary shown. That options has always been there since as long as I can remember, what they should change or add is a new option so you can set it to autohide ONLY in tablet mode and then stay on in desktop mode. As it stands now you have to go in and change it each time you switch back and forth. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1263930-small-tablet-update/#findComment-596923366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted July 12, 2015 MVC Share Posted July 12, 2015 I suppose you had to manually install it by following a windows 8 guide for small Windows installs? Nope, just removed the old partition and clicked install MikeChipshop 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1263930-small-tablet-update/#findComment-596923368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandosis Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 I just installed it through windows update on my HP Stream 7. They fixed the issue with it not wanting to install on wim boot devices. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1263930-small-tablet-update/#findComment-596923384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahorsepip Veteran Posted July 12, 2015 Veteran Share Posted July 12, 2015 I just installed it through windows update on my HP Stream 7. They fixed the issue with it not wanting to install on wim boot devices. But does it also compress the system files like before? Or does windows take up more space now? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1263930-small-tablet-update/#findComment-596923390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xendrome Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 But does it also compress the system files like before? Or does windows take up more space now? System files aren't compressed, the entire OS runs from the install.wim located on the recovery partition and it mounts it to C:\Windows Seahorsepip 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1263930-small-tablet-update/#findComment-596923402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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