+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted April 19, 2016 Subscriber² Share Posted April 19, 2016 Quote Earlier this year, rumors began to fly that Sony would release an upgraded version of the PlayStation 4, a console often called the PS4.5 or the PS4K by fans and press. Today, multiple sources have confirmed for us details of the project, which is internally referred to as the NEO. No price was provided, but previous reports indicate that the NEO would sell at $399. At time of publishing, Sony has not returned our request for comment, but we will update this story if the company responds. Starting in October, every PS4 game is required to ship with both a “Base Mode” which will run on the currently available PS4 and a “NEO Mode” for use on the new console. Games running in NEO mode will be able to use the hardware upgrades (and an additional 512 MiB in the memory budget) to offer increased and more stable frame rate and higher visual fidelity, at least when those games run at 1080p on HDTVs. The NEO will also support 4K image output, but games themselves are not required to be 4K native. The NEO will not supplant the current PS4, but will exist alongside of it and use the same user environment. The PS4 and NEO will use the same PSN store, connect to the same online communities, and offer the same user experience, so expect to see the same cross media bar that you’re used to. Players will be able to retain all of the purchases they made on the PS4. Sony seems committed to keeping the NEO and the original PS4 player bases connected. As such, there will be no NEO-only games, and Sony will not let developers separate NEO users from original PS4 players while playing on PSN. Likewise, Sony explicitly and repeatedly states that developers cannot offer exclusive gameplay options or special unlockables for NEO players—so don’t expect NEO owners to get a level editor or a special Rocket League car that you won’t have access to on your original PS4. Quote Original PS4 CPU: 8 Jaguar Cores at 1.6 GHz GPU: AMD GCN, 18 CUs at 800 MHz Memory: 8 GB GDDR5, 176 GB/s NEO CPU: 8 Jaguar Cores at 2.1 GHz GPU: Improved AMD GCN, 36 CUs at 911 MHz Memory: 8 GB GDDR5, 218 GB/s http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/sources-the-upgraded-playstation-4-is-codenamed-ne/1100-5437/ +Asmodai 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1295248-ps45-ps4k-is-codenamed-neo-more-info/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
dipsylalapo Supervisor Posted April 19, 2016 Supervisor Share Posted April 19, 2016 You know there's a FP article with the same info right? https://www.neowin.net/news/more-details-rumored-about-sonys-playstation-45-aka-neo +Audioboxer and MikeChipshop 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1295248-ps45-ps4k-is-codenamed-neo-more-info/#findComment-597372418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted April 19, 2016 Author Subscriber² Share Posted April 19, 2016 7 minutes ago, dipsylalapo said: You know there's a FP article with the same info right? https://www.neowin.net/news/more-details-rumored-about-sonys-playstation-45-aka-neo Oops. I usually come to the forums first. FP staff are usually a little behind so congrats on them being quick on this one lol. compl3x and MikeChipshop 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1295248-ps45-ps4k-is-codenamed-neo-more-info/#findComment-597372424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dipsylalapo Supervisor Posted April 19, 2016 Supervisor Share Posted April 19, 2016 2 minutes ago, Audioboxer said: Oops. I usually come to the forums first. FP staff are usually a little behind so congrats on them being quick on this one lol. Hah I get that. I'm surprised that I didn't see this from you first and then the FP article this afternoon Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1295248-ps45-ps4k-is-codenamed-neo-more-info/#findComment-597372426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
soniqstylz Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1295248-ps45-ps4k-is-codenamed-neo-more-info/#findComment-597373890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandalsquad Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Seems like a terrible idea, won't be capable of 4K game play so what's the point? Will they continue to sell the original? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1295248-ps45-ps4k-is-codenamed-neo-more-info/#findComment-597374210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brys Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 5 minutes ago, Vandalsquad said: Seems like a terrible idea, won't be capable of 4K game play so what's the point? Will they continue to sell the original? "The NEO will also support 4K image output, but games themselves are not required to be 4K native." I read that as meaning games developers will be able to support it ? The fact that they'd have to support both modes might make it more annoying for the devs, though, I guess... IMHO they'll just develop basic games (or multiplatform games ported to basic ps4) and when they're close to the end, if there's still time, try to crank up a few settings for the neo mode. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1295248-ps45-ps4k-is-codenamed-neo-more-info/#findComment-597374218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandalsquad Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 12 minutes ago, brpsycho said: "The NEO will also support 4K image output, but games themselves are not required to be 4K native." I read that as meaning games developers will be able to support it ? The fact that they'd have to support both modes might make it more annoying for the devs, though, I guess... IMHO they'll just develop basic games (or multiplatform games ported to basic ps4) and when they're close to the end, if there's still time, try to crank up a few settings for the neo mode. I have no doubt video output like bluray's etc will support 4K on the device, but gaming in 4K? Unless I'm missing something usually requires a beast of a machine. And these small spec bumps don't seem like enough to get us to 4K gaming when this generation has struggled to even get to 60FPS at 1080. Uncharted? 30FPS, Driveclub? 30FPS. And these are PS4's best lookers, doubling the GPU that is there would get them to 60FPS but 4K and 60FPS...? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1295248-ps45-ps4k-is-codenamed-neo-more-info/#findComment-597374232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
technord Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 £500 graphics cards struggle with 4k, in fact I've seen sli struggle at 4k 4k gaming is 10 years away Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1295248-ps45-ps4k-is-codenamed-neo-more-info/#findComment-597374246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted April 20, 2016 Author Subscriber² Share Posted April 20, 2016 42 minutes ago, Vandalsquad said: Seems like a terrible idea, won't be capable of 4K game play so what's the point? Will they continue to sell the original? It literally says in the first post. It will sell alongside the PS4. The GPU update is actually pretty big all things considered. Seems to be Polaris. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1295248-ps45-ps4k-is-codenamed-neo-more-info/#findComment-597374250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brys Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 40 minutes ago, Vandalsquad said: I have no doubt video output like bluray's etc will support 4K on the device, but gaming in 4K? Unless I'm missing something usually requires a beast of a machine. And these small spec bumps don't seem like enough to get us to 4K gaming when this generation has struggled to even get to 60FPS at 1080. Uncharted? 30FPS, Driveclub? 30FPS. And these are PS4's best lookers, doubling the GPU that is there would get them to 60FPS but 4K and 60FPS...? oh ok... sorry for the misunderstanding (and thanks for the details too). I actually had no idea what the required specs for 4k were like - I don't own anything that does 4k. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1295248-ps45-ps4k-is-codenamed-neo-more-info/#findComment-597374278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandalsquad Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 21 hours ago, Audioboxer said: It literally says in the first post. It will sell alongside the PS4. The GPU update is actually pretty big all things considered. Seems to be Polaris. Literally missed supplant comment, but will take that with a grain of salt until Sony release some information as well. 21 hours ago, brpsycho said: oh ok... sorry for the misunderstanding (and thanks for the details too). I actually had no idea what the required specs for 4k were like - I don't own anything that does 4k. No problem at all, all my TV's at home now are 4K but the only thing I've had to run 4K is Netflix, and I'm sure the bitrate on that is fairly compressed as well. I have an AMD crossfire setup couple of years old that blows consoles out of the park and wouldn't even attempt 4K but on any of the screens in gaming. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1295248-ps45-ps4k-is-codenamed-neo-more-info/#findComment-597375866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doli Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 So mostly just an 4k video player for blu-ray and streaming services like Netflix and PS Video which should offer 4k streaming. I wasn't expecting 4k games unless they are simple graphics games ( and we have a lot of them thanks to our free indie titles on PSN+) so Im wondering if it will upscale the 1080 output or leave that to the TVs. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1295248-ps45-ps4k-is-codenamed-neo-more-info/#findComment-597375904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
soniqstylz Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 On 4/20/2016 at 5:40 AM, brpsycho said: "The NEO will also support 4K image output, but games themselves are not required to be 4K native." I read that as meaning games developers will be able to support it ? The fact that they'd have to support both modes might make it more annoying for the devs, though, I guess... IMHO they'll just develop basic games (or multiplatform games ported to basic ps4) and when they're close to the end, if there's still time, try to crank up a few settings for the neo mode. I'm thinking some indie titles might be able to support 4K, but it's mostly geared towards 4K Netflix/Amazon/YouTube/blu-ray. For instance, titles from thatgamecompany were 1080p I believe on PS3. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1295248-ps45-ps4k-is-codenamed-neo-more-info/#findComment-597380052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted May 13, 2016 Author Subscriber² Share Posted May 13, 2016 AMD be like guys its real http://vrworld.com/2016/05/11/amd-confirms-sony-playstation-neo-based-zen-polaris/ Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1295248-ps45-ps4k-is-codenamed-neo-more-info/#findComment-597407362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted May 13, 2016 Author Subscriber² Share Posted May 13, 2016 Retailer says before October - http://www.videogamer.com/news/ps4_neo_to_launch_before_october_says_french_distributor.html Would fall in line with games coming out from October onwards needing a Neo mode. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1295248-ps45-ps4k-is-codenamed-neo-more-info/#findComment-597407576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaP Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 At least it should be able to do proper 1080p something the xbox one and ps4 can't really do. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1295248-ps45-ps4k-is-codenamed-neo-more-info/#findComment-597407586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
compl3x Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 It's weird to be kind of getting a new-ish console like this. I don't really play my PS4 now so I cannot imagine I'll be upgrading. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1295248-ps45-ps4k-is-codenamed-neo-more-info/#findComment-597410566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakjak Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 On 5/13/2016 at 0:26 PM, LaP said: At least it should be able to do proper 1080p something the xbox one and ps4 can't really do. Well the PS4 can do it much much much better than the Xbox One. Xbone is lucky if it gets a 1080p title every now and then. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1295248-ps45-ps4k-is-codenamed-neo-more-info/#findComment-597410572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted June 2, 2016 Author Subscriber² Share Posted June 2, 2016 Quote It's also worth noting that - clock-speeds and resultant TFLOPs aside - the specs for RX 480 are point-for-point a match for the GPU in Sony's upcoming PlayStation Neo, all but confirming that the Sony mid-gen console refresh uses both Polaris technology and the new 14nm FinFET chip manufacturing process. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-amd-rx-480-costs-199-gtx-970-r9-390-beating-performance But for PS4 is most likely downclocked Quote RX480 is clocked at 1266mhz on PC, while we know from SDK leak that Neo module will be clocked at 911mhz. That alone will push the tflops counter down to 4.2tflops, and more importantly, it will reduce heat and power draw. Everyone needs to remember these are small boxes with very little cooling. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1295248-ps45-ps4k-is-codenamed-neo-more-info/#findComment-597438444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted June 5, 2016 Author Subscriber² Share Posted June 5, 2016 The word going on GAF A little bit of news I've been told: Neo-enabled games are not allowed to be released until after 20th September 2016. Also there appears to be some relevance to the date October 3rd though not sure whether it's Neo or PSVR related. soniqstylz 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1295248-ps45-ps4k-is-codenamed-neo-more-info/#findComment-597442754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
soniqstylz Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 On 6/2/2016 at 9:19 AM, Audioboxer said: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-amd-rx-480-costs-199-gtx-970-r9-390-beating-performance But for PS4 is most likely downclocked Everyone needs to remember these are small boxes with very little cooling. I think all that points out something that needs to be reiterated -- this console refresh won't do 4K gaming. 4K blu-ray, Netflix, etc., and better fps/rez (should be consistent 1080p60 on almost every title) with maybe an "ultra" graphics setting built in, but you won't see Uncharted 4K. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1295248-ps45-ps4k-is-codenamed-neo-more-info/#findComment-597443078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
soniqstylz Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 7 hours ago, Audioboxer said: The word going on GAF We'll find out at E3. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1295248-ps45-ps4k-is-codenamed-neo-more-info/#findComment-597443080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
patseguin Global Moderator Posted June 6, 2016 Global Moderator Share Posted June 6, 2016 On April 20, 2016 at 6:07 AM, glen8 said: £500 graphics cards struggle with 4k, in fact I've seen sli struggle at 4k 4k gaming is 10 years away 1-2 years tops. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1295248-ps45-ps4k-is-codenamed-neo-more-info/#findComment-597443096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
technord Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 6 hours ago, patseguin said: 1-2 years tops. No chance! If we see a playstation/xbox for £400 which can do 4k gaming I'll buy you one Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1295248-ps45-ps4k-is-codenamed-neo-more-info/#findComment-597443350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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