Dick Montage Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Just now, Gary7 said: if it empowers the Swedes to fight back then that would be good. So you are saying that by wearing these bands it will show the Muslim immigrants that this type of behavior is not accepted here. It should not be accepted and those that commit it should be deported. Firstly, no - I do not think that anyone singular person's mind will be changed by seeing a wristband. It's not about that - that is small thinking. Secondly, no - I've never once suggested deportation. I believe in prosecution and punishment of course, but I'm not going to argue either way on deportation as it's not on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted July 2, 2016 Subscriber² Share Posted July 2, 2016 At least I am trying to be serious here. I think I am starting to possibly understand. Dick Montage 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted July 2, 2016 Subscriber² Share Posted July 2, 2016 7 minutes ago, Nik L said: Firstly, no - I do not think that anyone singular person's mind will be changed by seeing a wristband. It's not about that - that is small thinking. Secondly, no - I've never once suggested deportation. I believe in prosecution and punishment of course, but I'm not going to argue either way on deportation as it's not on the table. The the use of These bands will not do anything. Maybe in Chicago where there are 40-60 shootings per weekend placing a wristband on every Chicagoland person will stop this. I don't think so. How is the wristband going to empower the female population of Sweden to stop the attacks? Talking with the offenders may, group meetings may but wearing what amounts to a Red Badge of Courage may make the women fight back or defend themselves. Every offender should be jailed for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted July 2, 2016 Subscriber² Share Posted July 2, 2016 16 minutes ago, Nik L said: I feel that you are either trolling or deliberately missing the point... Let's say we have a room of 100 people. 25 of them think it's OK to molest another person. Let's give a random sample of these people the bands... The overall feeling of "it's not acceptable" in the room has risen, so let's say now only 20 think it's acceptable. The prevalent message that any one person gets that it's not acceptable has just become stronger. So maybe 2 more people's opinions change to "not acceptable". So now it's 18 out of 100. The process repeats and repeats over time until it tends towards a much lower percentage. That's how you influence a mass of people. Look, you always bring up "Hey I was a cop, so I know"... EVERY single police department does community activities. Is it generally the thugs, the low-lifes and the criminals who turn up? No of course not - but the process is about creating a culture within the mass that actions are not acceptable, and you start to do this by reinforcing and empowering those who already have that message, so you positively influence a community. I am NOT trolling and don't start name calling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakjak Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 3 minutes ago, Gary7 said: and don't start name calling. I dont think you know what name calling is. ctebah and SecretAgentMan 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Montage Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 15 minutes ago, Gary7 said: I am NOT trolling and don't start name calling. Um... I didn't call you a damned thing! If anything, I felt like you were finally starting to comprehend what was being said, but I guess not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted July 2, 2016 Subscriber² Share Posted July 2, 2016 Just now, Nik L said: Um... I didn't call you a damned thing! If anything, I felt like you were finally starting to comprehend what was being said, but I guess not. Quote feel that you are either trolling or deliberately missing the point... your words. So am I starting to see the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Montage Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Just now, Gary7 said: your words. So am I starting to see the point? Yes, my exact, unadulterated words, as quoted verbatim. Please underline where I called you a name. 28 minutes ago, Nik L said: if it empowers the Swedes to fight back then that would be good This. It's ALL About empowerment and reinforcing a message of not tolerating this. Not by Swedes, not by immigrants, but by the population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted July 2, 2016 Subscriber² Share Posted July 2, 2016 1 minute ago, Nik L said: Yes, my exact, unadulterated words, as quoted verbatim. Please underline where I called you a name. eel that you are either trolling or deliberately missing the point...Oh and I meant want I posted in your Departure thread Dick Montage 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Montage Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 1 minute ago, Gary7 said: eel that you are either trolling or deliberately missing the point...Oh and I meant want I posted in your Departure thread That is not calling you a name!!! I genuinely felt like you were deliberately missing the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted July 2, 2016 Subscriber² Share Posted July 2, 2016 Just now, Nik L said: That is not calling you a name!!! I genuinely felt like you were deliberately missing the point. Well I was not I think I may have gotten it. Dick Montage 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nik L said: Don't worry, you'd not even understand. It's all been laid out in black and white above, but your blinkered view of the world disallows you from even beginning to understand that it's not about a wristband. Right I don't understand because.... I don't see the world through a stupid filter? You certainly love insulting me with nothing to back your view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloatingFatMan Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 6 hours ago, Nik L said: That is not calling you a name!!! I genuinely felt like you were deliberately missing the point. To be honest, I think I'm missing your point as well (not deliberately). I know you're saying the idea of this is to influence society in general by saturating it with the message it's not OK to touch people without permission, but you have to remember that these things are being aimed at a group of people taught since birth at they don't NEED permission! A little wristband isn't going to alter a lifetime of living in a society where the women generally don't get much in the way of rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torolol Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 19 hours ago, Gary7 said: Yea, this will work great, just show them your wristband and they will walk away. lol, infowars waste no time to make skits about the magical wristband effectiveness! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloatingFatMan Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Maybe if instead they released a wristband that actually has "Don't touch me" written on it in Arabic, and also is capable of delivering 200,000 volts directly to the gonads of anyone doing the touching, they might be more effective? +Gary7 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athernar Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 (edited) Remember when there was a ton of backlash over an actually practical nail polish invented to detect date rape drugs in drinks? But now with ineffectual wristbands? Oh well that's fine because it involves migrants, and everyone knows that migrants occupy a higher rung (Or rather, lower?) on the social justice oppression ladder. I'm honestly surprised we've not reached a point where rape victims are being called racist Nazi islamaphobic bigots for not consenting to being violated by migrant perpetrators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeChipshop Member Posted July 2, 2016 Member Share Posted July 2, 2016 20 hours ago, Gary7 said: The Mistreatment of Women in Muslim Countries - Family Security ... Islams Women - The Status of Women in Islam A Woman Worth Less than a Man in Islam - The Religion of Peace 11 hours ago, Gary7 said: They have been this way for centuries, it will take another century or two to change. Do you not understand what we're talking about? And the last thing just makes you sound bigoted as hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mando Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 11 hours ago, Hum said: My wristband says, I'm easy your tramp stamp tattoo says so too, you dirty harlot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted July 2, 2016 Subscriber² Share Posted July 2, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, MikeChipshop said: Do you not understand what we're talking about? And the last thing just makes you sound bigoted as hell. Yes just try to not let the facts get in your way. A Woman Worth Less than a Man in Islam - The Religion of Peace Edited July 2, 2016 by Gary7 added link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Biscuits Brown MVC Posted July 2, 2016 MVC Share Posted July 2, 2016 I think the thing that's being missed here is that this isn't just a cultural thing. That would be like working the people of India off of curry or an American off of chips and football. Instead, it's a concept that is rooted in their (Islamic) belief. You don't change that with a wristband anymore than you can make a devout Catholic want to eat eat fish on Friday. This is not as simple as assimilation into western culture. It's asking a billion people world wide to suddenly only believe part of their religion (the parts that western cultures find abhorrent). Wristbands aren't the answer. Quite honestly, I'm not sure there is an easy answer. Its not my place to tell someone how to 'believe'. +Gary7 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakjak Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 3 hours ago, Zag L. said: I think the thing that's being missed here is that this isn't just a cultural thing. That would be like working the people of India off of curry or an American off of chips and football. Instead, it's a concept that is rooted in their (Islamic) belief. You don't change that with a wristband anymore than you can make a devout Catholic want to eat eat fish on Friday. This is not as simple as assimilation into western culture. It's asking a billion people world wide to suddenly only believe part of their religion (the parts that western cultures find abhorrent). Wristbands aren't the answer. Quite honestly, I'm not sure there is an easy answer. Its not my place to tell someone how to 'believe'. To believe that a billion people believe this way is quite ignorant and not even worthy of a discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seta-san Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 (edited) LOL. Eurocucks are a bunch of eunuchs incapable of doing a proper job protecting women. In fact they are so cucked that they invite into the country the very men who will rape their women and pay them welfare and housing. LOLOLOLOL. America is laughing at you, Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Biscuits Brown MVC Posted July 2, 2016 MVC Share Posted July 2, 2016 29 minutes ago, wakjak said: To believe that a billion people believe this way is quite ignorant and not even worthy of a discussion. What are you saying? The billion Muslims do not believe in the Koran? What are you smoking. I'm not saying they are all going to go out and grope women but I am saying the basic tenants of Islam puts women (and the treatment of them) in a different light. I'm saying for those that grope, mistreat, molest or worse are not doing it culturally but based on a belief. According to the Pew Research Center, in a survey in 17 of the 23 countries where Muslims were asked sharia law, at least half of them say sharia is the revealed word of God. In some of those countries, that number exceeded 80%. This doesn't make them bad people, just people with a different belief and thinking that a wristband is the answer is foolish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seta-san Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 5 hours ago, MikeChipshop said: Do you not understand what we're talking about? And the last thing just makes you sound bigoted as hell. dude, your virtue signaling only makes you look like a douche. Most Scottish people make me embarrassed to be a Scot. Thankfully I was raised in middle America where I learned self-respect and pride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Red King Subscriber² Posted July 2, 2016 Author Subscriber² Share Posted July 2, 2016 1 minute ago, Zag L. said: What are you saying? The billion Muslims do not believe in the Koran? What are you smoking. I'm not saying they are all going to go out and grope women but I am saying the basic tenants of Islam puts women (and the treatment of them) in a different light. I'm saying for those that grope, mistreat, molest or worse are not doing it culturally but based on a belief. According to the Pew Research Center, in a survey in 17 of the 23 countries where Muslims were asked sharia law, at least half of them say sharia is the revealed word of God. In some of those countries, that number exceeded 80%. This doesn't make them bad people, just people with a different belief and thinking that a wristband is the answer is foolish. Yep Sharia law is Islam. 6 minutes ago, seta-san said: LOL. Eurocucks are a bunch of eunuchs incapable of doing a proper job protecting women. In fact they are so cucked that they invite into the country the very men who will rape their women, pay them welfare and housing. LOLOLOLOL. America is laughing at you, Europe. USA will follow. We can't even admit that Islam was responsible for anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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