LittleFroggy Posted January 6, 2017 Author Share Posted January 6, 2017 Just now, DocM said: I want to know here he hid the loaded magazines? When I travel checking the gun in baggage is normal, but you cannot carry ammo. Update: security has ordered everyone down!! Action in the garage. this ((appears)) to be an issue of security. Canada allows people with guns and ammo to board a plane with checked in baggage below. so the shooter got his firearm and went to work on innocent people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippleman Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, LittleFroggy said: Canada allows people with guns and ammo to board a plane with checked in baggage below. Not the way I am reading it. https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/publications/tp185-3-05-firearms-3604.htm but then have conflicting info here: https://www.westjet.com/en-ca/travel-info/baggage/fishing-hunting weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleFroggy Posted January 6, 2017 Author Share Posted January 6, 2017 witness reports are NOW saying the victims all were shot in the head.. a marksman? is he even military? 1 minute ago, Rippleman said: Not the way I am reading it. https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/publications/tp185-3-05-firearms-3604.htm hmm interesting then.. now the investigation will have to definitely go to Canada, where he originated his flight.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 (edited) Lived in Alaska. Minor crimes + domestic violence. You're allowed to fly a firearm in checked baggage, locked in a case. I do it often because Michigan's concealed weapons permits are recognized almost everywhere in the US. https://www.tsa.gov/travel/transporting-firearms-and-ammunition Quote You may transport unloaded firearms in a locked hard-sided container as checked baggage only. Declare the firearm and/or ammunition to the airline when checking your bag at the ticket counter. The container must completely secure the firearm from being accessed. Locked cases that can be easily opened are not permitted. Be aware that the container the firearm was in when purchased may not adequately secure the firearm when it is transported in checked baggage. Contact the TSA Contact Center with questions you have regarding TSA firearm regulations and for clarification on what you may or may not transport in your carry-on or checked baggage. Firearms When traveling, comply with the laws concerning possession of firearms as they vary by local, state and international governments. Declare each firearm each time you present it for transport as checked baggage. Ask your airline about limitations or fees that may apply. Firearms must be unloaded and locked in a hard-sided container and transported as checked baggage only. Only the passenger should retain the key or combination to the lock. Firearm parts, including magazines, clips, bolts and firing pins, are prohibited in carry-on baggage, but may be transported in checked baggage. Replica firearms, including firearm replicas that are toys, may be transported in checked baggage only. Rifle scopes are permitted in carry-on and checked baggage. Edited January 6, 2017 by DocM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleFroggy Posted January 6, 2017 Author Share Posted January 6, 2017 5 minutes ago, DocM said: You're allowed to fly a firearm in checked baggage, locked in a case. TSA.gov "You may transport unloaded firearms in a locked hard-sided container as checked baggage only. Declare the firearm and/orammunition to the airline when checking your bag at the ticket counter. The container must completely secure the firearm from being accessed. Locked cases that can be easily opened are not permitted. ok in the us I knew that. With special paperwork with TSA for security reasons. so this seems to be an issue with canadian policy and the US policy. this could be a diplomatic issue between Us and Canada. Santiago is reported that in Canada he has multiple offences http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/06/multiple-dead-in-fort-lauderdale-airport-shooting.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 I want to know if it's a US or Canadian military ID. Perhaps Canada give him a wave through at their end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleFroggy Posted January 6, 2017 Author Share Posted January 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, DocM said: I want to know if it's a US or Canadian military ID. Perhaps Canada give him a wave through at their end. if they are checking our military, it would be ours. ours looks like this now: credit http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=29867 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleFroggy Posted January 6, 2017 Author Share Posted January 6, 2017 @ 1:01 PM PST 2,200 flights delayed and airports across the nation on high alert +Red King 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleFroggy Posted January 6, 2017 Author Share Posted January 6, 2017 well the ID is obvious. LEO would know exactly immediately if it were a US ID. it's splattered all over the card Department of defense. But it could be a civilian "Dependant" ID card which it would clearly show. It had an chip with all data on the person. to boot, DEERS (Defense Enrollment Eligibility Reporting System) info is recorded in the main system and on the card itself. So we should know something within a matter of a few hours if this is a legit card, a CAC card (Common Access Card). the old style ID cards from my day used to be this in the late 1980's then we progressed into this one if he were a dependant, he would have, it would appear the last iteration of the ID card which likes like the card directly above but in brown. But the card is absolutely obvious. they know already it if is legit or a forgery or stolen. even if his name is really Santiago.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleFroggy Posted January 6, 2017 Author Share Posted January 6, 2017 http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article124963889.html Quote The suspected gunman was identified as Esteban Santiago, law enforcement officials told the Miami Herald. He is thought to have been a passenger on a flight from Canada that landed at FLL at around noon with a checked gun in his baggage. Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article124963889.html#storylink=cpy Quote Santiago was carrying some form of military ID. He is suspected of being a former U.S. Army soldier from the New York area. Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article124963889.html#storylink=cpy so I think FT Drum NY if he was active duty.. Quote Court records show that Santiago had minor brushes with the law when he lived in Alaska, including a $1,000 fine for driving without insurance and another infraction for driving with broken tail lights. An Anchorage landlord evicted him last year for failure to pay rent. In January, he was charged with misdemeanor counts of property damage and assault. That case is ongoing. His attorney did not respond to a request for comment. Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article124963889.html#storylink=cpy Lawyered up fast.. some minor infractions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleFroggy Posted January 6, 2017 Author Share Posted January 6, 2017 Information on the shooter released. http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/NJ-Shooter-Esteban-Santiago-who-was-fort-lauderdale-409914655.html Spoiler being said to have mental issues Quote A spokeswoman for the Alaska National Guard confirmed to NBC News that Esteban Santiago joined the Puerto Rico National Guard on Dec. 14, 2007, and was deployed to Iraq from April 23, 2010 to Feb. 19, 2011. He was then in the Army Reserves before joining the Alaska Army National Guard on Nov. 21, 2014. He received a general discharge from the Alaska Army National Guard on Aug. 16, 2016, for unsatisfactory performance, the spokeswoman said. 1 Quote Esteban Santiago was a combat engineer and his rank was private first class when he was discharged. Esteban was "fighting with a lot of people" during his time in Alaska, Bryan Santiago told NBC News, saying he was having relationship issues and arguing with his girlfriend and others. The girlfriend told Bryan that his brother was "receiving psychological counseling in Anchorage." Esteban did have a handgun, his brother said. Bryan said he could not imagine his brother committing the crime, and speculated that perhaps he had a "flashback" from his military experience, although he said there was no PTSD diagnosis or other post-Iraq issues. Bryan said he had not heard form Esteban for several weeks, which is unusual, and that the family was worried about him. "He is a regular person, spiritual, a good person," he said. Alaskan court records show an Esteban Santiago with the same date of birth was charged with two misdemeanors last year; one count was dismissed and Santiago was due back in court on the second this coming March. 1 Question: did he travel from Alaska to Canada, to be able to put his firearm into his bag to fly to FT Lauderdale Airport? just a thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleFroggy Posted January 6, 2017 Author Share Posted January 6, 2017 uh oh. plot thickens.. Canada air reports nobody by Santiago's name on any flight http://miami.cbslocal.com/2017/01/06/sen-bill-nelson-identifies-suspected-fll-gunman/ Esteban Santiago-Ruiz, 26, took a flight from Alaska to Florida Friday with a stop in Minnesota, officials said. Somewhere along the way, he got into an argument. So it appears that Canada is out of the picture. Now how in Alaska, did he get a firearm on to a flight? with TSA Quote They add that in November 2016, he walked into an FBI office in Anchorage claiming that he was being forced to fight for ISIS. He was sent to a psychiatric hospital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 (edited) So....an Iraq veteran, in the Puerto Rican and Alaskan National Guard but dismissed last summer for poor performance. Known to the FBI, but not put on any watch list after this, CBS News ✔ @CBSNews NEW: In Nov. 2016, FLL suspect walked into FBI office in Anchorage, claiming he was being forced to fight for ISIS, sources tell CBS News. 4:59 PM - 6 Jan 2017 At the very least ATF and Alaska should have been put on notice, and given the domestic violence complaint his weapon taken away (as it would be in many states.) What could possibly go wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakjak Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Sounds like a case of PTSD that's gone undiagnosed and untreated. We just had a similar incident happen here in Canada. Former military. PTSD. No mental health professionals available to help. He ended up killing his gf/mother/daughter and himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/7/airport-gunman-sent-panicked-passengers-fleeing-fo/ Quote Airport gunman charged, US seeks death penalty FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. (AP) - The Iraq war veteran accused of killing five travelers and wounding six others at a busy international airport in Florida was charged Saturday and could face the death penalty if convicted. Esteban Santiago, 26, told investigators that he planned the attack, buying a one-way ticket to the Fort Lauderdale airport, a federal complaint said. Authorities don’t know why he chose his target and have not ruled out terrorism. Santiago was charged with an act of violence at an international airport resulting in death - which carries a maximum punishment of execution - and weapons charges. “Today’s charges represent the gravity of the situation and reflect the commitment of federal, state and local law enforcement personnel to continually protect the community and prosecute those who target our residents and visitors,” U.S Attorney Wifredo Ferrer said. Authorities said during a news conference that they had interviewed roughly 175 people, including a lengthy interrogation with the cooperative suspect, a former National Guard soldier from Alaska. Flights had resumed at the Fort Lauderdale airport after the bloodshed, though the terminal where the shooting happened remained closed. Santiago spoke to investigators for several hours after he opened fire with a Walther 9mm semi-automatic handgun that he appears to have legally checked on a flight from Alaska. He had two magazines with him and emptied both of them, firing about 15 rounds, before he was arrested, the complaint said. > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakjak Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 build the wall, build the wall. Then none of this would have happened. +Red King 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hum Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 I wonder if Santiago's statement about government mind control is true. DConnell 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Being Puerto Rican, potentially our next state, he's not who immigration efforts target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 4 minutes ago, wakjak said: build the wall, build the wall. Then none of this would have happened. Being Puerto Rican, likely our next state, a US territory, and not an immigration issue going in or out, your comment has zero application here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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