satukoro Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, DJ_Disco_Dave said: Sounds like there may be a rootkit or other deeply embedded virus/botnet client already hidden away on the machine. Might be worth getting a Rootkit scanner from Malwarebytes/Sophos/McAfee/Bitdefender etc. I'd suggest going direct to Microsoft, downloading there ISO media creation tool and using that to download a clean up-to-date image... https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10 This. Alternatively, it could be a worm somewhere on the network, some sort of MacOS malware that targets Win10 installs (as ridiculous as that sounds lol), or it could even be in the install media (flashdrive). Steps include: 1. Running complete malware scans (I recommend Sophos, its free for home use) 2. Remove any and all windows 10 data on your computer (boot camp installs, iso's, leftover files, etc.) 3. Downloading the official Windows 10 iso from the microsoft website, checking for a valid https certificate while at the site (to rule out dns spoofing) 4. Install Windows 10 5. Rinse and repeat Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/3/#findComment-597759470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
philcruicks Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Gary7 said: All of this talk about torrents and such, makes me wonder why this thread is still open. Because we're not advising him to download from torrents, quite the opposite, and downloading an iso from torrents isn't illegal, it's just another distribution method (an un-advisable one, but not an illegal one as the iso is freely available from MS website). Downloading a key/crack from torrents would be illegal. But OP said his key is legit. 300z, DConnell and GrayW 3 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/3/#findComment-597759476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted January 24, 2017 Subscriber² Share Posted January 24, 2017 6 minutes ago, philcruicks said: Because we've not advising him to download from torrents, quite the opposite, and downloading an iso from torrents isn't illegal, it's just another distribution method (an un-advisable one, but not an illegal one). Download a key/crack would be illegal. But OP said his key is legit. Maybe so but he will not provide a source for his original download? Like what Torrent site. I have run all but 2 builds of Windows 10 and never had his problems. I would advise anyone and everyone to get your Windows 10 from Microsoft.com. He said that he purchased a Key , from where?. My post was not meant for anyone other than the OP. What I posted was from the rules of this forum, I did not post that it was illegal. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/3/#findComment-597759486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
philcruicks Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 1 minute ago, Gary7 said: Maybe so but he will not provide a source for his original download? Like what Torrent site. I have run all but 2 builds of Windows 10 and never had his problems. I would advise anyone and everyone to get your Windows 10 from Microsoft.com. He said that he purchased a Key . My post was not meant for anyone other than the OP. What I posted was from the rules of this forum, I did opt post that it was illegal. I get that, I'm just saying why it's not against the rules of the forum as you wondered why the thread was still open. And I completely agree, I've run multiple versions of 10 for ages on multiple systems and never had a single issue. It's for sure OP's iso Source, a rootkit or other infected machine on his network. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/3/#findComment-597759502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
restroom Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Well as the OP has gone quiet, we can only assume that he is either so infected her cant get back here to report further, or we all scared him away. Therefore I assume this thread is now dead Danielx64 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/3/#findComment-597759540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted January 24, 2017 MVC Share Posted January 24, 2017 44 minutes ago, philcruicks said: Because we're not advising him to download from torrents, quite the opposite, and downloading an iso from torrents isn't illegal, it's just another distribution method (an un-advisable one, but not an illegal one as the iso is freely available from MS website). 1 While downloading from a Microsoft is preferable you can really download it from wherever as long as you check the hash and make sure it matches. Circaflex 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/3/#findComment-597759550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhangm Supervisor Posted January 24, 2017 Supervisor Share Posted January 24, 2017 Thread cleaned. Please keep the discussion on topic as this is a support thread. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/3/#findComment-597759554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyLateNite Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Just a thought..... Do you happen to have another computer on your network that has Windows 10 on it? If you do, and the option is set for it to distribute updates to other computers on your network, your fresh install may be getting something from that computer. After the fresh install completes, I think the first thing it does is check for updates and may be getting something from your other computer. DoctorD and philcruicks 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/3/#findComment-597759564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorD Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 16 minutes ago, IndyLateNite said: Just a thought..... Do you happen to have another computer on your network that has Windows 10 on it? If you do, and the option is set for it to distribute updates to other computers on your network, your fresh install may be getting something from that computer. After the fresh install completes, I think the first thing it does is check for updates and may be getting something from your other computer. This is the logical thought if it is happening on multiple units, one of them is infected and it is sending and sharing it with anything associated with the account. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/3/#findComment-597759590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockingbird Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Maybe his router is infected with a DNS changer. It's farfetched, but possible. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/3/#findComment-597759604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGHammer Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 5 hours ago, Som said: I've never got a virus or malware on windows 10, I've noticed fewer customers getting it too Since the first RTM of Windows 10, I have been routinely helping folks take advantage of various free upgrade/crossgrade offers to get them on 10 - and this is especially true on laptops and notebooks. I usually use USB sticks and a wireless connection during setup (USB sticks for speed in terms of installation, and wireless networking for security). Even more telling, I use Windows Defender (which is built in the OS) on all of them - not just mine. Total number of virus infections (out of fifteen computers - all except one is a laptop or notebook, and this does not include my personal desktop and two notebooks in the Insider Program) - none. (Mom's desktop originally shipped with 8.1 - and that is the newest of the fifteen upgrades. The rest originally came with 7, Vista, or XP - that's right; there's an XP beast in there.) 10 goes on them for two reasons - far greater resistance to malware OOTB and far greater crash resistance. The installs themselves are Signature Edition-type - no bloat whatever; typically, the only software that gets installed other than the OS itself before the owner collects it is Office (which itself is usually 2016 retail, provided by the PC's owner - which is also typically the upgrade driver). The ONLY portable that came in for an upgrade to 10 that didn't get one was due to HARDWARE reasons - the CPU didn't support Intel SSE2 or the AMD equivalent (Dell Latitude 650 with the Pentium-IIIM); instead, it got Windows 7 with Office 2016. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/3/#findComment-597759614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted January 24, 2017 Subscriber² Share Posted January 24, 2017 48 minutes ago, warwagon said: While downloading from a Microsoft is preferable you can really download it from wherever as long as you check the hash and make sure it matches. What MS site has a Torrent?? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/3/#findComment-597759628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerd Rage Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) Since Microsoft does not package viruses into official ISOs of their operating systems, let's assume that the ISO is clean. In my mind that leaves one of two sources for the issue: 1.) There is already malware/virus software on your machine which you are bootcamping 2.) A website you visit from within Windows or piece of software you are installing in Windows is infected. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/3/#findComment-597759630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGHammer Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 53 minutes ago, neufuse said: Hey don't call this a troll thread, I as about to start a thread saying OSX is the worst OS ever created because I can't install the latest version on my PPC system.... PPC-based Macs stop at Leopard - which should not be news to anyone at Neowin (I posted a mini-review of the iMac G5 - which was one of the last PPC iMacs in retail; I'm actually keeping my eyes peeled for it when it retires, despite the Leopard stoppage - for use as a "bedroom iMac" - possible because of the built-in wireless; the content-consumption notebook represents Windows in my bedroom usually). Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/3/#findComment-597759632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockingbird Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) What is suspicious (at least to me) is that he said that he's using "official serial number, two different official serial numbers from OEM's from a laptop and a desktop". The problem? Computers with Windows 8 and above don't have COA (Certificate of authenticity) because the products keys (aka serial numbers) are embedded in the BIOS/UEFI. Nogib 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/3/#findComment-597759636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted January 24, 2017 MVC Share Posted January 24, 2017 Just now, Gary7 said: What MS site has a Torrent?? Not sure what you mean, but if maybe you are referring to the SHA1 hashes, just go to MSDN and they have all the window versions listed plus their hashes. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/3/#findComment-597759642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted January 24, 2017 Subscriber² Share Posted January 24, 2017 Just now, Nerd Rage said: Since Microsoft does not package viruses into official ISOs of their operating systems, we can assuming that the ISO is clean. In my mind that leaves one of two sources for the issue: MS does not release Official builds on a Torrent and we cannot assume anything. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/3/#findComment-597759646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, Nerd Rage said: Since Microsoft does not package viruses into official ISOs of their operating systems, we can assuming that the ISO is clean. In my mind that leaves one of two sources for the issue: 1.) There is already malware/virus software on your machine which you are bootcamping 2.) A website you visit from within Windows or piece of software you are installing in Windows is infected. If they didn't get it from MS nor check hashes, you can't just trust an MS ISO. Skiver and +Gary7 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/3/#findComment-597759652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted January 24, 2017 Subscriber² Share Posted January 24, 2017 Just now, warwagon said: Not sure what you mean, but if maybe you are referring to the SHA1 hashes, just go to MSDN and they have all the window versions listed plus their hashes. Microsoft does not deliver Windows 10 or any other OS via a Torrent. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/3/#findComment-597759654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, illegaloperation said: What is suspicious (at least to me) is that he said that he's using "official serial number, two different official serial numbers from OEM's from a laptop and a desktop". The problem? Computers with Windows 8 and above don't have COA (Certificate of authenticity) because the products keys (aka serial numbers) are embedded in the BIOS/UEFI. Yes they do. It just doesn't contain the product key. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/3/#findComment-597759658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 1 hour ago, DKAngel said: are we sure he isnt running windows xp pre sp2? i rember timing a machine once installing it, connecting it to the net, was infected within 30seconds Haha sasser/msblast.... them were the days. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/3/#findComment-597759668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGHammer Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Just now, illegaloperation said: What is suspicious (at least to me) is that he said that he's using "official serial number, two different official serial numbers from OEM's from a laptop and a desktop". The problem? Computers with Windows 8 and above don't have COA (Certificate of authenticity) because the products keys (aka serial numbers) are embedded in the BIOS/UEFI. Further, if Secure Boot is turned off (not every OEM turns it on) the issue becomes moot. Actually, you still get COAs from larger OEMs (HP, for example, still provides them on any computer that ships with Windows 10 (despite HP routinely shipping their 10-based PCs with SB on; Mom replaced her Gateway/MPC Solo with an HP Windows 10 Home-powered Pentium dual-core - complete with COA on its bottom). So it still depends on the OEM (and the PC's formfactor, of course - some form-factors are not condusive to COA placement). Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/3/#findComment-597759670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted January 24, 2017 MVC Share Posted January 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, illegaloperation said: What is suspicious (at least to me) is that he said that he's using "official serial number, two different official serial numbers from OEM's from a laptop and a desktop". The problem? Computers with Windows 8 and above don't have COA (Certificate of authenticity) because the products keys (aka serial numbers) are embedded in the BIOS/UEFI. Yes, but it appears at least on one machine he's using bootcamp. which means he's on a Mac. The Mac does not store the Windows key in the bios /UEFI. Quoted from ZDNET Quote If you're "genuine" (that is, properly activated), the Windows activation server generates a Windows 10 license certificate (Microsoft calls it a "digital entitlement") and stores it in conjunction with your installation ID and the version you just activated (Home or Pro). It didn't need a product key to do that activation. All it needed was the proof from the Software Licensing Manager utility that your underlying activation was legit. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/3/#findComment-597759676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGHammer Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 4 minutes ago, Gary7 said: Microsoft does not deliver Windows 10 or any other OS via a Torrent. Not via a torrent - however, they DO have Internet-based distribution sites (TechBench, for example - which is part of TechNet). Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/3/#findComment-597759684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, PGHammer said: Further, if Secure Boot is turned off (not every OEM turns it on) the issue becomes moot. Actually, you still get COAs from larger OEMs (HP, for example, still provides them on any computer that ships with Windows 10 (despite HP routinely shipping their 10-based PCs with SB on; Mom replaced her Gateway/MPC Solo with an HP Windows 10 Home-powered Pentium dual-core - complete with COA on its bottom). So it still depends on the OEM (and the PC's formfactor, of course - some form-factors are not condusive to COA placement). Any OEM distributing windows 8+ on a new machine turns on secure boot unless they don't have an OEM arrangementwith MS or the machine isn't certified for Windows 8+ which makes it questionable from an OEM. It is a license requirement. to turn it on. 2 minutes ago, PGHammer said: Not via a torrent - however, they DO have Internet-based distribution sites (TechBench, for example - which is part of TechNet). Thread discusses it being a torrent.... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/3/#findComment-597759686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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