oldtimefighter Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) On 24/01/2017 at 17:45, HelgenX said: Everyone, thank you for your responses, but I don't know of how many times I can repeat that I'm downloading these distros from Microsoft their self. It doesn't matter where I'm downloading them from, the exact same thing keeps happening. And after I remove the viruses anyway, Windows 10 is such a resource hogger and I'm not sure if it's due to what happened or if it really just is. Expand Did you read the responses? If you are using a legit ISO of Windows 10 then you have a more serious issue. I have a number of issues with Windows 10 but resource hog is not one them. Maybe @neufuse was on to something... On 24/01/2017 at 14:49, neufuse said: *LOOKS THROUGH IE HISTORY* Well lets see here, xxxpornvirust.net, notavirusads.com, supersecretestuff.info, fakenews.net.... well there's your problem... Expand Edited January 24, 2017 by oldtimefighter Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/5/#findComment-597759988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Random Stranger Subscriber¹ Posted January 24, 2017 Subscriber¹ Share Posted January 24, 2017 On 24/01/2017 at 14:42, DKAngel said: are we sure he isnt running windows xp pre sp2? i rember timing a machine once installing it, connecting it to the net, was infected within 30seconds Expand Haha I had that problem. My buildings network was so infected I could not even download antivirus fast enough. The second installed XP and connected to internet it had a bunch of viruses on it already. Had to get cd with antivirus and software firewall installed before I could plug into the net. +Raze and DConnell 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/5/#findComment-597759994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravensky Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 On 24/01/2017 at 18:10, Circaflex said: that is FUD. your router might be infected Expand Your post is FUD The Evil Overlord 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/5/#findComment-597760018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
satukoro Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 On 24/01/2017 at 17:45, HelgenX said: Everyone, thank you for your responses, but I don't know of how many times I can repeat that I'm downloading these distros from Microsoft their self. It doesn't matter where I'm downloading them from, the exact same thing keeps happening. And after I remove the viruses anyway, Windows 10 is such a resource hogger and I'm not sure if it's due to what happened or if it really just is. Expand I love that no one read past the word 'torrent' in the OP. We need more information about your network layout and the computers therein before anyone can give you proper advice. If you read my earlier post in this thread it provides a couple steps to go through. At this point, I suggest a completely offline install with the official iso. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/5/#findComment-597760022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circaflex Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 On 24/01/2017 at 18:39, Ravensky said: Your post is FUD Expand Actually, it isn't. You were incorrect to state you can only be sure if you download directly from Microsoft, however, if you were to compare the hash of whatever file you download, as long as it matched up there is no risk. There are other legitimate sources to obtain your files from, you just want to make sure the hash checks out. adrynalyne 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/5/#findComment-597760024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
satukoro Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 On 24/01/2017 at 18:39, Ravensky said: Your post is FUD Expand Cricaflex is correct. Hash checking is the proper way to identify a files integrity regardless of the source. Circaflex 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/5/#findComment-597760028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted January 24, 2017 Subscriber² Share Posted January 24, 2017 On 24/01/2017 at 18:41, Circaflex said: Actually, it isn't. You were incorrect to state you can only be sure if you download directly from Microsoft, however, if you were to compare the hash of whatever file you download, as long as it matched up there is no risk. There are other legitimate sources to obtain your files from, you just want to make sure the hash checks out. Expand Who are you to tell another member that their post is FUD, I wish that I knew all that you think that you know. The Evil Overlord and DConnell 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/5/#findComment-597760034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
compl3x Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 I must be in some tiny minority because I've had zero problems with windows 10 that I have installed on 3 machines. Pam14160 and +Gary7 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/5/#findComment-597760036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravensky Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 On 24/01/2017 at 18:41, Circaflex said: Actually, it isn't. You were incorrect to state you can only be sure if you download directly from Microsoft, however, if you were to compare the hash of whatever file you download, as long as it matched up there is no risk. There are other legitimate sources to obtain your files from, you just want to make sure the hash checks out. Expand Yeah ok pal, I download directly from MS and no one else. In this day and age it's easier and I don't have to hash the stupid file to know it's good when I get it directly from MS, go argue with your wall please... +Gary7, Pam14160 and The Evil Overlord 3 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/5/#findComment-597760038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsYcHoKiLLa Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 On 24/01/2017 at 17:45, HelgenX said: Everyone, thank you for your responses, but I don't know of how many times I can repeat that I'm downloading these distros from Microsoft their self. It doesn't matter where I'm downloading them from, the exact same thing keeps happening. And after I remove the viruses anyway, Windows 10 is such a resource hogger and I'm not sure if it's due to what happened or if it really just is. Expand A resource hogger than runs great even on the little tablet I got with 2GB of memory. I smell troll. DConnell and philcruicks 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/5/#findComment-597760042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted January 24, 2017 MVC Share Posted January 24, 2017 On 24/01/2017 at 18:43, Gary7 said: I wish that I knew all that you think that you know. Expand I agree with Circaflex Circaflex 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/5/#findComment-597760046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circaflex Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 On 24/01/2017 at 18:46, Ravensky said: Yeah ok pal, I download directly from MS and no one else. In this day and age it's easier and I don't have to hash the stupid file to know it's good when I get it directly from MS, go argue with your wall please... Expand That is perfectly acceptable. No need to turn this into a personal attack. I do agree, Microsoft makes it very easy, but that doesn't mean you have to download from them. All I am trying to point out is, you can download from other sources if needed and it will be perfectly fine as long as the hash checks out. Also, a good tip for you, even if you download directly from Microsoft, you should be verifying the hash to ensure your download isnt corrupt. On 24/01/2017 at 18:49, warwagon said: I agree with Circaflex Expand Don't worry, I didnt take it personally. I gave him another chance, but back to the ignore list. satukoro 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/5/#findComment-597760050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc302 Veteran Posted January 24, 2017 Veteran Share Posted January 24, 2017 May want to re read my whole post. It isn't just about torrenting the os but loading on other unverified softwares that come from torrents and other p2p sources. It could be that the os ISO is infected, it could be that the computer downloading the os is infected, it could be that the network itself is infected, it could be that he is loading other software which is infected. He admits to torrents, but does not go any further to verify or mitigate any thing else that could be cause other than blaming the os. I can can assure you 100% if the source checks out, the os isn't infected out of the box. There is something else going on. Circaflex 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/5/#findComment-597760052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted January 24, 2017 MVC Share Posted January 24, 2017 On 24/01/2017 at 18:43, Gary7 said: Who are you to tell another member that their post is FUD, I wish that I knew all that you think that you know. Expand You change 1 single byte of data and you get a completely different hash. Here is the SHA-1 Hash of a txt file with the word Test 640AB2BAE07BEDC4C163F679A746F7AB7FB5D1FA Now here is the hash of a txt file with the word test (lower case t) A94A8FE5CCB19BA61C4C0873D391E987982FBBD3 Circaflex 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/5/#findComment-597760054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted January 24, 2017 Subscriber² Share Posted January 24, 2017 On 24/01/2017 at 18:50, Circaflex said: Don't worry, I didnt take it personally. I gave him another chance, but back to the ignore list. Expand Thank you.... On 24/01/2017 at 18:52, warwagon said: I agree with Circaflex Expand I could care less. Talk about FUD. This entire thread is all FUD starting with the OP. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/5/#findComment-597760062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted January 24, 2017 MVC Share Posted January 24, 2017 On 24/01/2017 at 18:54, Gary7 said: Talk about FUD. Expand I'm curious... which part of using a hash to verify a file hasn't tampered with is FUD? A lot of sites post the sha1 hash of a file right below the download link. Besides using the hash to know a file hasn't been tampered with you can also use it as an indication that the file was not corrupted in the download process. satukoro and Circaflex 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/5/#findComment-597760072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorak Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Can you record a video please of where you are downloading this ISO from and the process of installing? I do not believe the ISO is unmodified. Compare the hash and find out for sure. You could have an external drive plugged in of some sort be it a flash drive, external hard drive, SD, a camera, a cellphone, or anything with storage. Honestly though, I find my first guess the most likely. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/5/#findComment-597760088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravensky Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) On 24/01/2017 at 18:50, Circaflex said: That is perfectly acceptable. No need to turn this into a personal attack. I do agree, Microsoft makes it very easy, but that doesn't mean you have to download from them. All I am trying to point out is, you can download from other sources if needed and it will be perfectly fine as long as the hash checks out. Also, a good tip for you, even if you download directly from Microsoft, you should be verifying the hash to ensure your download isnt corrupt. Don't worry, I didnt take it personally. I gave him another chance, but back to the ignore list. Expand you turned this into a personal attack when you called my post FUD btw... I don't need to verify a hash to know it's not corrupt... /thx +Gary7 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/5/#findComment-597760092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted January 24, 2017 MVC Share Posted January 24, 2017 On 24/01/2017 at 19:04, Yorak said: I find my first guess the most likely. Expand I don't know, I kind of liked the theory mentioned earlier about an infected router. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/5/#findComment-597760094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc302 Veteran Posted January 24, 2017 Veteran Share Posted January 24, 2017 But you should be verifying the hash against the Microsoft hashes to make sure the file has not been touched in anyway. Hashes are the fingerprints of files, it gets changed anytime someone modifies the file. +Warwagon, Circaflex and adrynalyne 3 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/5/#findComment-597760100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted January 24, 2017 MVC Share Posted January 24, 2017 On 24/01/2017 at 19:06, Ravensky said: i don't need to verify a hast to know it's not corrupt... /thx Expand 1 True, You could have a pretty good idea that something isn't corrupt by having it install successfully, on the other hand, you could also have it crash during install. what just caused the crash? Was it bad memory? Bad Hard drive? Or were you working with a corrupt ISO? Now I'm going to be honest, when downloading from Legit sites, I don't check the SHA1 hashes as much as I probably should. In that regard, i've just been lucky I haven't had an ISO that made me want to pull my hair out trying to figure out why it wouldn't install. satukoro and adrynalyne 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/5/#findComment-597760102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
satukoro Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) On 24/01/2017 at 19:06, Ravensky said: I don't need to verify a hast to know it's not corrupt. Expand Not without trial and error you don't. +Warwagon and adrynalyne 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/5/#findComment-597760104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc302 Veteran Posted January 24, 2017 Veteran Share Posted January 24, 2017 for what it is worth, my windows 10 computers load faster than my windows 7 computers. so load times don't necessarily agree that it is a resource hog. Then again my systems have between 8 and 16GB of memory, it is pretty hard to load them up...resource wise (it can be done, but not by opening a few windows to where I would say that it is a resource hog...perhaps in comparison to unix or dos it is a huge resource hog). Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/5/#findComment-597760120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted January 24, 2017 MVC Share Posted January 24, 2017 On 24/01/2017 at 19:19, sc302 said: for what it is worth, my windows 10 computers load faster than my windows 7 computers. so load times don't necessarily agree that it is a resource hog. Then again my systems have between 8 and 16GB of memory, it is pretty hard to load them up...resource wise (it can be done, but not by opening a few windows). Expand SSD? If not an SSD I could play Devils Advocate and say when you turn your computer in Windows 10 its not doing a clean boot like Windows 7 is, in a sense... it's just waking up. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/5/#findComment-597760122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 On 24/01/2017 at 18:41, satukoro said: I love that no one read past the word 'torrent' in the OP. We need more information about your network layout and the computers therein before anyone can give you proper advice. If you read my earlier post in this thread it provides a couple steps to go through. At this point, I suggest a completely offline install with the official iso. Expand Except it's been mentioned several times(to great ignorance of the OP) that he may have either 1. a rootkit on his computer. 2. infected router 3. infected USB device and possibly in relation to 3. one of those USB firmware infections that potentially leaves his computer forever infected and any device plugged in a potential attacker to spread it further. FiB3R and The Evil Overlord 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/5/#findComment-597760126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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