+Warwagon MVC Posted January 24, 2017 MVC Share Posted January 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, HelgenX said: Oh really? Even though I got all of these damn trojans and malware? Right. I'm taking Mando's link advice and going to do a fresh install. I'm going to record it, too. While my posts were malevolent because of my anger, the amount of people adding gas to the fire is absolutely astounding. But I guess it comes with the territory of insulting everyone's beloved Windows 10 that I just got trojans on right after a new install. I'm not feeling confident that you are learning much from this thread with responses like that. You still seem to be blaming Windows 10 for all your problems. That being said, I'm very excited for the video. Don't cut much out, i'l glady watch a 1 hour video mrchetsteadman 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/8/#findComment-597760578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted January 24, 2017 Subscriber² Share Posted January 24, 2017 1 minute ago, HelgenX said: Oh really? Even though I got all of these damn trojans and malware? Right. I'm taking Mando's link advice and going to do a fresh install. I'm going to record it, too. While my posts were malevolent because of my anger, the amount of people adding gas to the fire is absolutely astounding. But I guess it comes with the territory of insulting everyone's beloved Windows 10 that I just got trojans on right after a new install. A person is responsible for their own actions or lack there of. The OS should have not been obtained from a source other than MS. The problem lies with the user and not Windows 10. Now you will just have to fix it. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/8/#findComment-597760582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Veteran Posted January 24, 2017 Veteran Share Posted January 24, 2017 4 minutes ago, HelgenX said: Oh really? Even though I got all of these damn trojans and malware? Right. I'm taking Mando's link advice and going to do a fresh install. I'm going to record it, too. While my posts were malevolent because of my anger, the amount of people adding gas to the fire is absolutely astounding. But I guess it comes with the territory of insulting everyone's beloved Windows 10 that I just got trojans on right after a new install. Do you want help or not? If you just want to bash an operating system I can move this to the rant forum. You have a preinstallation infection and/or you're using altered install images. Andre S., Tuskd, +E.Worm Jimmy and 3 others 6 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/8/#findComment-597760586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted January 24, 2017 MVC Share Posted January 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, Gary7 said: The OS should have not been obtained from a source other than MS. 1 That's true if the person is not verifying the SHA1 hash. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/8/#findComment-597760590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReaperMan Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, HelgenX said: Oh really? Even though I got all of these damn trojans and malware? Right. I'm taking Mando's link advice and going to do a fresh install. I'm going to record it, too. While my posts were malevolent because of my anger, the amount of people adding gas to the fire is absolutely astounding. But I guess it comes with the territory of insulting everyone's beloved Windows 10 that I just got trojans on right after a new install. it does look like you got the trojan from a other program you installed after windows 10, say a copy of chrome with bundled melware. Everyone in this thread is trying to help find the problem with your install and the major consensus is it is not windows 10 that is the problem, but some third party software you have installed after windows 10. Did you download your new iso direct from the many links posted from the microsoft site or even the offical tool to download the iso from the microsoft site. This to make sure you are on a unaltered version? Also when you have installed the new version can you not install any other software at all for at least a day to see if everything works(drivers should be ok). That also means not using any other browser or copy any software etc to this new install from a disk or usb stick. So we are able to narrow down the problem to help you. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/8/#findComment-597760592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimeMaster Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, HelgenX said: Oh really? Even though I got all of these damn trojans and malware? Right. I'm taking Mando's link advice and going to do a fresh install. I'm going to record it, too. While my posts were malevolent because of my anger, the amount of people adding gas to the fire is absolutely astounding. But I guess it comes with the territory of insulting everyone's beloved Windows 10 that I just got trojans on right after a new install. The problem is. your reasoning for not liking it isn't justified. You somehow have a virus ridden install. If you had asked for help without completely blaming it on the OS first, you would have got better responses. I do however hope you get your problem solved. TAZMINATOR, The Evil Overlord, +Gary7 and 1 other 4 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/8/#findComment-597760600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted January 24, 2017 Subscriber² Share Posted January 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, warwagon said: That's true if the person isn't verifying the SHA1 hash. I have never downloaded a Windows OS from any source other than MS. I never had a problem. Like I said a person is responsible for their own actions. The blame cannot be placed on Windows 10, Microsoft or anyone else but the user, I also agree with Lime and hope that you resolve this mess. LimeMaster and TheReaperMan 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/8/#findComment-597760602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc302 Veteran Posted January 24, 2017 Veteran Share Posted January 24, 2017 If it has been installed millions of tunes and businesses are adopting it, do you really think the os is a problem or just you? Windows 10 has been out for how long and how many major news sources are reporting this problem. This problem is 100% isolated to you and your environment. We are doing the best to instruct you but you continue down the same path. This issue is isolated to whatever you are doing or the sources you are downloading or installing from. How exactly can we fix that for you? We cannot fix the end user only guide them. You are the end user in this case. +Gary7 and Tuskd 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/8/#findComment-597760606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted January 24, 2017 Subscriber² Share Posted January 24, 2017 6 minutes ago, Eric said: Do you want help or not? If you just want to bash an operating system I can move this to the rant forum. You have a preinstallation infection and/or you're using altered install images. Very well put! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/8/#findComment-597760608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelgenX Posted January 24, 2017 Author Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) I see some are trying to help and I know the title of the thread is irritating to many, I vented wrong and for that I apologize. However, I am still upset with the fact that it happened upon installation of an upgrade because I didn't have any problems with the Windows 7 that was on before. I'm using the Windows 10 setup that Mando provided and I'm going to just format the partition and start from scratch. "Maybe" I had some malware that didn't affect Windows 7 before, because the only files I had on it before were some .wav files for work, some Android update files and some drivers for rockbox and those are from trusted sites. I don't really know what has been going wrong, but hopefully this ISO will lead the way to Windows 10's divinity that a lot of people keep defending. The whole fact of the matter is that if the security of W10 is so advanced, it shouldn't have been infected so bad, because I literally could not do anything and there were so many affected files in system folders that were inheriting privileges that I couldn't even remove and did so with no warning whatsoever, even disabling it's "Windows Defense." I didn't even get as far as being able to install any software after the upgrade, I didn't install one thing, I just opened Edge and boom, was all downhill from there. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/8/#findComment-597760612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc302 Veteran Posted January 24, 2017 Veteran Share Posted January 24, 2017 If it has been installed millions of tunes and businesses are adopting it, do you really think the os is a problem or just you? Windows 10 has been out for how long and how many major news sources are reporting this problem. This problem is 100% isolated to you and your environment. We are doing the best to instruct you but you continue down the same path. This issue is isolated to whatever you are doing or the sources you are downloading or installing from. How exactly can we fix that for you? We cannot fix the end user only guide then. You are the end user in this case. I an defending windows 10. I could probably guess I have more windows installs under my belt than you do and you cab probably guess that I have had the issues you have. You could also probably guess I have a good idea of how this occurs and where it comes from being that I have a few million installs under my belt. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/8/#findComment-597760622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 20 minutes ago, HelgenX said: Oh really? Even though I got all of these damn trojans and malware? Right. I'm taking Mando's link advice and going to do a fresh install. I'm going to record it, too. While my posts were malevolent because of my anger, the amount of people adding gas to the fire is absolutely astounding. But I guess it comes with the territory of insulting everyone's beloved Windows 10 that I just got trojans on right after a new install. Dude I would have given you a hard time with any OS, MS or not with such claims. Unless it was XP without any service packs. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/8/#findComment-597760632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted January 24, 2017 MVC Share Posted January 24, 2017 8 minutes ago, adrynalyne said: Unless it was XP without any service packs. Front facing the internet. adrynalyne 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/8/#findComment-597760646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, warwagon said: Front facing the internet. Remember sasser? I was doing MS support at the time and our own systems were compromised too LOL. Was a tough time talking to clients who had the same issue. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/8/#findComment-597760650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Zagadka Subscriber² Posted January 24, 2017 Subscriber² Share Posted January 24, 2017 Even with the viruses and malware, still better than Win ME. +E.Worm Jimmy and The Evil Overlord 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/8/#findComment-597760654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted January 24, 2017 MVC Share Posted January 24, 2017 19 minutes ago, HelgenX said: I would also like to see a shieldsup port scan once you get window reinstall. TheReaperMan 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/8/#findComment-597760656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReaperMan Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 1 minute ago, Zagadka said: Even with the viruses and malware, still better than Win ME. come on its not that bad!! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/8/#findComment-597760658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circaflex Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 2 hours ago, Mando said: btw Rufus is not advisable for making windows 10 install media, Why? That is the only tool i have ever used for them. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/8/#findComment-597760660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mando Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, HelgenX said: The whole fact of the matter is that if the security of W10 is so advanced, it shouldn't have been infected so bad, because I literally could not do anything and there were so many affected files in system folders that were inheriting privileges that I couldn't even remove and did so with no warning whatsoever, even disabling it's "Windows Defense." I didn't even get as far as being able to install any software after the upgrade, I didn't install one thing, I just opened Edge and boom, was all downhill from there. Buddy, let me clarify, the reason was, the ISO where-ever you sourced it (it wasnt from MS I can assure you) had the malware embedded in the files, no AV on earth would ever pick that up on such a low level post install setup of OS form infected media. Also Chrome doesnt magically install itself without user going to and clicking download chrome, or is it ever included with any MS operating system setup disk (hell would freeze over before Microsoft would do such a thing with their mortal enemy), more chance of Trump confessing his long standing love affair with Hilary C and his genuine love and admiration of the international press, again you must have downloaded chrome, and if you did not, and it was in the ISO, it aint a legit MS ISO. End of buddy. I could easily inject a "RAT" into any ISO and it would remain undetected below the OS level of protection post system setup/install from said infected media, if i then put it out for distribution (its called a honeypot, or honeytrap), regardless of OS (Linux, MacOs, Windows, OS2/Warp, Android), Heck even a music CD can hide such lovely malware. Sony rootkit?? Its also feasible that the dropper payload was in the media, and once it was up and running and it detected an open port 80, it then delivered the rest of the payload, possible but quite unlikely. Once the infected media is installed from and becomes executable, no antivirus or malware would ever detect it, the reason? Easy it was there before the antivirus solution got time to get a baseline of the operating system, therefore compromised before its even started to protect the live OS. Most malware is AV vendor aware and is common they compromise the installed AV, and lets be brutually honest, Windows Defender is better than no protection, but not by much. I use MS images on a daily basis professionally and privately (global sys admin and Security specialist for a biomed global corp) and in neigh on 25 years of working with MS products and IT in general (8bit onwards), I have never contracted any form of malware from a MS sourced file or ISO (or witnessed or read any accounts of it in that timescale), ive lost count of the number of desktops, laptops, servers etc etc ive imaged with MS sourced images over the last 2 and a bit decades. It just isnt feasible mate, im not saying it isnt possible (everything is possible to a degree), its just so unlikely, you have more chance of winning the lottery by picking the square root of your next door neighbours cats age divided by the number of stars in the known universe, then flipping it upside down and pulling the numbers of said cats bum. Seriously. Ill bet you £1000+ either download the isos from the program i linked to (which grabs them directly from the same MS servers as going to the Microsoft Windows 10 pages and using the Media creation toolkit) and it will be clean as a whistle. those are the only 2 reliable sources (1 actually they both are the same location) for their products, nowhere else period. Only take them from there, nowhere else at all and I wager it will install and have no malware in it. Thats a FACT im afraid. Edited January 25, 2017 by Mando DConnell, TheReaperMan, The Evil Overlord and 2 others 5 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/8/#findComment-597760680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xendrome Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 59 minutes ago, HelgenX said: The whole fact of the matter is that if the security of W10 is so advanced, it shouldn't have been infected so bad, OP doesn't understand how things work. Time to move on. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/8/#findComment-597760684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mando Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Circaflex said: Why? That is the only tool i have ever used for them. If i recall correctly, i had no end of issues getting the rufus built media for Win 10 to work, I think it was with GPT and UEFI setup. When i researched I found info to say its advised against for W10. I always suggest let the media toolkit do it, it may take a bit longer, but its still to produce a bricked setup media. It may have been linked to my Z68 implementation of UEFI, I cant honestly recall, but i will find it for you mate. Ive always been a Rufus fan (and YUMI) Ill try and find the articles i found in the morning, im struggling to stay awake tbh mate. But there was a valid reason, i do recall that. DConnell and Circaflex 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/8/#findComment-597760692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circaflex Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 14 minutes ago, Mando said: If i recall correctly, i had no end of issues getting the rufus built media for Win 10 to work, I think it was with GPT and UEFI setup. When i researched I found info to say its advised against for W10. I always suggest let the media toolkit do it, it may take a bit longer, but its still to produce a bricked setup media. It may have been linked to my Z68 implementation of UEFI, I cant honestly recall, but i will find it for you mate. Ive always been a Rufus fan (and YUMI) Ill try and find the articles i found in the morning, im struggling to stay awake tbh mate. But there was a valid reason, i do recall that. I would be interested in those articles. I've used Rufus to create UEFI and legacy bios media since rtm. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/8/#findComment-597760706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mando Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, Circaflex said: I would be interested in those articles. I've used Rufus to create UEFI and legacy bios media since rtm. ill try and find the info i found, I do recall i was pretty gutted when i realised as i do like Rufus, superb utility IMO. DConnell 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/8/#findComment-597760716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3X4S Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 3 hours ago, warwagon said: Really? You just now realized that? i've been doing that for years! My best one being "Java! Uninstall It, Update it, or bend over and grab the ketchup!" ... I think it had something like 500,000 views. Yeah, but you're warwagon - I'm just a man. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/8/#findComment-597760722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensi Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Few suggestions like, have you got the official version of win10 from m$... Have you really tried? Google "download windows 10 iso" should be the first link. Have a go at upgrading from win7 or win8 to win10 on the upgrade assistant, its a pain in the arse but that's another option for you. Are you installing any torrented/dodgy programs yourself? Maybe that is where your virus is hiding.... Other then that I dunno Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1320264-windows-10-is-the-worst-os-ever-created/page/8/#findComment-597760738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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