AMD officially launches Ryzen processors

[Draconian Guppy]

When is coffee lake due?

[Andre S. Veteran]

6 minutes ago, Yogurth said:

You mentioned Dolphin quite a bit but that is a fringe case scenario, there just aren't that many gamers using emulators compared to native gaming, though in your case it is a valid point.

Yeah I keep mentioning that because a large part of my gaming now is playing SSBB with friends, and the results are really terrible for Ryzen on that one. I would hope they do something about it because even at 30% ST difference it doesn't seem to warrant such a large gap.

[Yogurth]

6 minutes ago, Draconian Guppy said:

When is coffee lake due?

I think it was postponed for the H2...remembered reading something about it, but I am not 100% certain.

[Yogurth]

14 minutes ago, Andre S. said:

Yeah I keep mentioning that because a large part of my gaming now is playing SSBB with friends, and the results are really terrible for Ryzen on that one. I would hope they do something about it because even at 30% ST difference it doesn't seem to warrant such a large gap.

This is probably all due to specifics of the new architecture that Ryzen brought. ST on Ryzen should be on par clock for clock with Skylake. I am certain that folks developing the Dolphin will include Ryzen specific code to remedy that as the raw performance is good.

[LaP]

4 hours ago, Draconian Guppy said:

Aye, same story with bulldozer and windows 8.

From what i can recall Bulldozer was crappy day one. Might be wrong i was not looking to update my work computer back then so did not really inform myself about it much.

 

Ryzen is actually a very good workstation cpu. I think it's strange that on a website like Neowin some people seem to ignore what is a workstation and why someone would be willing to build one. Very strange and unexpected to be honest.

[Mando]

3 hours ago, Draconian Guppy said:

When is coffee lake due?

Q3/4 2017 since Feb 14th.

 

 

Hex cores rumoured now in 2018, we have Ryzen to thank for that I suspect, competition is good for us all right?

[Mando]

7 hours ago, xendrome said:

Right, so claming the 1800X is marketed to compete with a CPU that was launched in Q2'16 that costs $1000 retail, when a Q1'17 CPU exists at $200 less then the 1800X and $700 less then the 6900K with better performance and newer architecture is just complete crap.

Its an AMD thing mate just smile and move along knowing what you know bud. It doesnt fit the rhetoric of AMD. Proven even clocked higher than the 7700ks the 77ks (ofc thatll be the 7700k at stock speeds lets not get into 4.8Ghz-5Ghz per core clock) still win it in gaming with the higher IPC etc.

 

It has to be faster X is well known to be sexier and faster than the letter K.......  

 

I dont see why anyone would splurge the extra dosh for the X and the 1700s seem to be way better bang per buck over the Xs, for a workstation or raw data cruncher, id consider a Ryzen, but my use of my desktop is purely gaming, so the 7700k won me over anyways. 

 

Ive always been intel/Nvidias, I stick to whats served me well in 20+ years, P166MMX and 3dFx/ Nvidia Riva TNT to the 7700k and 9 series GPU currently.

 

Ryzen has finally brought AMD up to 6 months (or less) behind Intel thats a great achievement for AMD and good overall for consumers.

Edited March 7, 2017 by Mando

[Draconian Guppy]

13 hours ago, Mando said:

Q3/4 2017 since Feb 14th.

 

 

Hex cores rumoured now in 2018, we have Ryzen to thank for that I suspect, competition is good for us all right?

 

13 hours ago, Mando said:

Its an AMD thing mate just smile and move along knowing what you know bud. It doesnt fit the rhetoric of AMD. Proven even clocked higher than the 7700ks the 77ks (ofc thatll be the 7700k at stock speeds lets not get into 4.8Ghz-5Ghz per core clock) still win it in gaming with the higher IPC etc.

 

It has to be faster X is well known to be sexier and faster than the letter K.......  

 

I dont see why anyone would splurge the extra dosh for the X and the 1700s seem to be way better bang per buck over the Xs, for a workstation or raw data cruncher, id consider a Ryzen, but my use of my desktop is purely gaming, so the 7700k won me over anyways. 

 

Ive always been intel/Nvidias, I stick to whats served me well in 20+ years, P166MMX and 3dFx/ Nvidia Riva TNT to the 7700k and 9 series GPU currently.

 

Ryzen has finally brought AMD up to 6 months (or less) behind Intel thats a great achievement for AMD and good overall for consumers.

Oooh so maybe around then, we might have Ryzen price drops

 

Ahhh I remember 3dfx and riva TNT, UBER GRAPHICS.

[Andre S. Veteran]

So on the topic of gaming performance, here's an interesting quote by CEO Lisa Su, basically what I was saying a few posts back:

 

Quote

We are addressing as a gamers as a very important segment, but they are one of many important segments of users for us. We think Ryzen is a great gaming CPU, and you’ll test that for yourself – we’re not going to win every head-to-head, but if you think about gaming do you want theoretical performance or do you want the CPU to be good enough to showcase your GPU? I think what Ryzen allows is those folks to do something more than just gaming. So your gaming CPU might only uses four cores, but if you are doing video editing or streaming it will do a lot more. So I think what we’re trying to address is maybe the forward thinking users, not just the today gamer.

The rest of the interview is well worth reading as well.

[Yogurth]

7 minutes ago, Andre S. said:

So I think what we’re trying to address is maybe the forward thinking users, not just the today gamer.

Exactly right  What I have repeated few times in this thread.

[Luc2k]

On 3/7/2017 at 3:57 PM, Boo Berry said:

Jay's video is the best example of not taking vendor bias into account and just playing games with Ryzen.

I would definitely skip a video with such a clickbait title, regardless of the stance.

8 hours ago, Draconian Guppy said:

 

Oooh so maybe around then, we might have Ryzen price drops

 

Ahhh I remember 3dfx and riva TNT, UBER GRAPHICS.

Wouldn't get my hopes up with that slide. 6>7 was just 5% in the real world, and that because it was clocked higher (no IPC increase). 8th gen will follow the pattern I suspect and, if they use the same ###### TIM, temperatures are going to become a real issue.

[Draconian Guppy]

3 minutes ago, Luc2k said:

I would definitely skip a video with such a clickbait title, regardless of the stance.

Wouldn't get my hopes up with that slide. 6>7 was just 5% in the real world, and that because it was clocked higher (no IPC increase). 8th gen will follow the pattern I suspect and, if they use the same ###### TIM, temperatures are going to become a real issue.

Ah so pentium 4 going to dual core with netburst architecture all over again?  But at the very least some price drops no ?

[Luc2k]

24 minutes ago, Draconian Guppy said:

Ah so pentium 4 going to dual core with netburst architecture all over again?  But at the very least some price drops no ?

Don't think so. All I'm saying is to not expect a 15% improvement over Kaby. Price drops are indeed likely considering the rest on the Zen line-up is coming.

 

Hopefully, motherboard manufacturers will resolve most of the issues as well as get them in actual stock. We have Zen in stock but it looks like motherboard support was lacking after all. There are only 9/82 listed in my country, 5 out of stock, and only 1 x370 available.

[xendrome]

https://www.pcper.com/news/Processors/Ryzen-Locking-Certain-FMA3-Workloads

 

"This was tested with a variety of motherboards and Ryzen processors from the 1700 to the 1800X.  In no circumstance at default power and clock settings did the processor not lock"

 

AMD - You're computing it wrong (tm)

[Mando]

3 minutes ago, xendrome said:

https://www.pcper.com/news/Processors/Ryzen-Locking-Certain-FMA3-Workloads

 

"This was tested with a variety of motherboards and Ryzen processors from the 1700 to the 1800X.  In no circumstance at default power and clock settings did the processor not lock"

 

AMD - You're computing it wrong (tm)

maybe ive had too long a day but that doesnt make sense  double negative? 

 

Apologies

[xendrome]

Just now, Mando said:

maybe ive had too long a day but that doesnt make sense  double negative? 

 

Apologies

Well maybe, they are saying under no circumstances did the processor not lock up, so they were always able to reproduce the issue and cause a hard-lock.

[Mando]

Just now, xendrome said:

Well maybe, they are saying under no circumstances did the processor not lock up, so they were always able to reproduce the issue and cause a hard-lock.

ahh ok then, thanks buddy 

 

 

 

 

[Yogurth]

58 minutes ago, xendrome said:

https://www.pcper.com/news/Processors/Ryzen-Locking-Certain-FMA3-Workloads

 

"This was tested with a variety of motherboards and Ryzen processors from the 1700 to the 1800X.  In no circumstance at default power and clock settings did the processor not lock"

 

AMD - You're computing it wrong (tm)

In the end it is nothing more than the BIOS bug, but it is clear that the Ryzen's success is eating You up inside.

[xendrome]

15 minutes ago, Yogurth said:

In the end it is nothing more than the BIOS bug, but it is clear that the Ryzen's success is eating You up inside.

Yes I'm losing sleep over a non-stable platform...

[Circaflex]

25 minutes ago, Yogurth said:

In the end it is nothing more than the BIOS bug, but it is clear that the Ryzen's success is eating You up inside.

That is part of the problem though. With AMD/ATI it is always some firmware/bios bug that *should* be resolved down the road. Or a driver update that *should* fix everything. If Ryzen lives up to the hype a few months down the road, I bet some of the negative tones you read and see, will change, but until then too many of us have been burned by them previously and arent holding our breath.

[Mando]

47 minutes ago, Yogurth said:

In the end it is nothing more than the BIOS bug, but it is clear that the Ryzen's success is eating You up inside.

perhaps so mate, but considering they need to come out of the gate firing on all cylinders and being the best they can be, to be Intel beaters, kind of begs the question what sort of final QA before releasing to market was actually carried out? 

 

not exactly a stellar release they proclaimed is it? If your gonna beat the market leader, you need to be better and give the impression its a top rate product. Basic stuff mate, basic stuff

 

I dont hate or want to diss any vendor producing competition for the likes of Intel, we all win with competition. 

 

 

[xendrome]

1 minute ago, Mando said:

not exactly a stellar release they proclaimed is it? If your gonna beat the market leader, you need to be better and give the impression its a top rate product.

 

This has been their problem since back in the AMD 486 DX2-50 and 66 days. There has always been a problem or gotcha...

[Jim K Global Moderator]

23 minutes ago, xendrome said:

This has been their problem since back in the AMD 486 DX2-50 and 66 days. There has always been a problem or gotcha...

The Athlon 64's / Socket 939 were pretty sweet...gave Intel some real competition.  

[Luc2k]

47 minutes ago, xendrome said:

Yes I'm losing sleep over a non-stable platform...

It sure seems to bother you enough to only post negative news and even outright lie.

35 minutes ago, Circaflex said:

That is part of the problem though. With AMD/ATI it is always some firmware/bios bug that *should* be resolved down the road. Or a driver update that *should* fix everything. If Ryzen lives up to the hype a few months down the road, I bet some of the negative tones you read and see, will change, but until then too many of us have been burned by them previously and arent holding our breath.

You make it sound like AMD is the only one that has these kinds of issues. While Intel has been iterating for quite a while and it is rarer to find bugs, they haven't been without fault (e.g. the USB 3 bug). For Nvidia, it has been worse these past two years, as far as drivers are concerned, as there were several instances where GPUs were killed. Yet somehow, people only remember AMD's issues.

 

When I'm ready to make a purchase, I will decide then if the platform satisfies my needs of performance and stability. As far as I'm concerned, the biggest problem they have right now is motherboard availability.

[adrynalyne]

31 minutes ago, Luc2k said:

It sure seems to bother you enough to only post negative news and even outright lie.

You make it sound like AMD is the only one that has these kinds of issues. While Intel has been iterating for quite a while and it is rarer to find bugs, they haven't been without fault (e.g. the USB 3 bug). For Nvidia, it has been worse these past two years, as far as drivers are concerned, as there were several instances where GPUs were killed. Yet somehow, people only remember AMD's issues.

 

When I'm ready to make a purchase, I will decide then if the platform satisfies my needs of performance and stability. As far as I'm concerned, the biggest problem they have right now is motherboard availability.

The negative news is helping offset the fan-fest in this thread. I want to see the good and bad personally.