seta-san Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 (edited) I've been looking at maybe building a new computer in the near future and was look at some motherboards and I was sort of shocked to see most of the boards had a lot of legacy port. PS/2, VGA, USB 2.0... white often time missing newer ports such as DVI, USB 3.1 and Type C connections. I'm just wondering... does anyone here still use those legacy ports? or are they wasted space on the MOBO and why would people still want these legacy port.. especially the older ones? Edited February 26, 2017 by seta-san Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1323630-legacy-ports/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
xendrome Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Well USB 2.0 less expensive to license, and really isn't legacy yet. DVI is just as legacy as VGA in my book. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1323630-legacy-ports/#findComment-597807856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open Minded Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 I don't see the need for these ports since you can just buy a PCI add-in card for almost type of port you could need. I do think it's a waste of space but there must be a reason the ports are still there. Maybe cheaper, maybe OEMs want them? I don't know of any new devices that use parallel or serial ports. Same with keyboards and mice using the PS2 ports. Almost everything is USB or ThunderBolt. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1323630-legacy-ports/#findComment-597807858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim K Global Moderator Posted February 26, 2017 Global Moderator Share Posted February 26, 2017 (edited) Well...that is a 45 60 dollar motherboard in your image...of course it will be loaded with "cheap" legacy stuff. To answer your question "still want these legacy port.. especially the older ones?" I don't ... but it doesn't bother me if they are on the board. Not really sure USB 2.0 is legacy ... my mouse/keyboard probably doesn't care. Heck ... you still can find PCI slots on 200 series chipsets. Edited February 26, 2017 by Jim K Edit: Noticed it was on sale for $45 with a regular price of $60 goretsky and oldtimefighter 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1323630-legacy-ports/#findComment-597807866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
seta-san Posted February 26, 2017 Author Share Posted February 26, 2017 4 minutes ago, Jim K said: Well...that is a 44 dollar mobo in your image...of course it will be loaded with "cheap" legacy stuff. To answer your question "still want these legacy port.. especially the older ones?" I don't ... but it doesn't bother me if they are on the board. Not really sure USB 2.0 is legacy ... my mouse/keyboard probably doesn't care. seems to me they could have added another two usb 2 ports, dumped the vga port and the ps/2 ports and sold it for $40 if your making this a low cost board. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1323630-legacy-ports/#findComment-597807874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindovermaster Global Moderator Posted February 26, 2017 Global Moderator Share Posted February 26, 2017 Give it time. Be glad they don't have Dual PS/2 ports anymore. It's going away. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1323630-legacy-ports/#findComment-597807900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc302 Veteran Posted February 26, 2017 Veteran Share Posted February 26, 2017 DVI is being replaced by hdmi or display port. VGA is analog. Take a look at this high end board. You will see non of what you are complaining about. https://m.newegg.com/product/index?itemNumber=9SIA2F857B5155&Keyword=ROG MAXIMUS IX FORMULA goretsky 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1323630-legacy-ports/#findComment-597807952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
seta-san Posted February 27, 2017 Author Share Posted February 27, 2017 7 hours ago, sc302 said: DVI is being replaced by hdmi or display port. VGA is analog. Take a look at this high end board. You will see non of what you are complaining about. https://m.newegg.com/product/index?itemNumber=9SIA2F857B5155&Keyword=ROG MAXIMUS IX FORMULA i'm glad that the high end doesn't have that ######. it still doesn't explain why budget boards do. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1323630-legacy-ports/#findComment-597808264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc302 Veteran Posted February 27, 2017 Veteran Share Posted February 27, 2017 I am not a manufacturer. But I can only guess to continue to support legacy peripherals. I don't know of any businesses that use built computers but I know businesses that have a lot of legacy equipment. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1323630-legacy-ports/#findComment-597808278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogib Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 26 minutes ago, sc302 said: I am not a manufacturer. But I can only guess to continue to support legacy peripherals. I don't know of any businesses that use built computers but I know businesses that have a lot of legacy equipment. Which yes, does make sense. In industrial applications, you would still have need for many of those legacy ports but they put them on like every single motherboard which is overkill. You can't tell me that the guy buying a $$$ premium "gaming" motherboard is ever going to use the f'n PS/2 ports. Because they aren't! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1323630-legacy-ports/#findComment-597808288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
astropheed Veteran Posted February 27, 2017 Veteran Share Posted February 27, 2017 I personally like having a VGA port and at least one PS/2 Port. It makes it much easier to diagnose some problems. It really doesn't add to the overall size. I'm not looking at my PC for how beautiful it is though, some people are. This thing is a work horse and it works great. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1323630-legacy-ports/#findComment-597808296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc302 Veteran Posted February 27, 2017 Veteran Share Posted February 27, 2017 Which yes, does make sense. In industrial applications, you would still have need for many of those legacy ports but they put them on like every single motherboard which is overkill. You can't tell me that the guy buying a $$$ premium "gaming" motherboard is ever going to use the f'n PS/2 ports. Because they aren't! My premium gaming board quoted above doesn't have it. Usually low end boards have those ports, esp vga. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1323630-legacy-ports/#findComment-597808312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goretsky Supervisor Posted February 27, 2017 Supervisor Share Posted February 27, 2017 Hello, Legacy ports are a feature of two sets of motherboards: Value-oriented, where the motherboard is likely being paired with legacy peripherals (PS/2 bus mouses, VGA monitor, etc.); and Industrial-control, where the motherboard may be also be used with legacy peripherals (PS/2 based card scanners, serial port barcode readers, PCI cards for industrial automation control, etc.) Newer interface ports cost more, not just for their connectors, but also in cost of R&D, support ICs to drive them, testing and so forth. If you want a motherboard that supports only the latest interfaces, by a high-end one ($300-600) for gaming or workstation use. Regards, Aryeh Goretsky Hum 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1323630-legacy-ports/#findComment-597808370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinetheo Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 13 hours ago, seta-san said: I've been looking at maybe building a new computer in the near future and was look at some motherboards and I was sort of shocked to see most of the boards had a lot of legacy port. PS/2, VGA, USB 2.0... white often time missing newer ports such as DVI, USB 3.1 and Type C connections. I'm just wondering... does anyone here still use those legacy ports? or are they wasted space on the MOBO and why would people still want these legacy port.. especially the older ones? The reason they are included again is because gamers actually think they are 1 - 2 MS faster than USB keyboards and mice. I guess kids today have no idea the technology is 30 years old and reaction time is more than 2 MS. Face palm Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1323630-legacy-ports/#findComment-597808372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Biscuits Brown MVC Posted March 8, 2017 MVC Share Posted March 8, 2017 I know in my office they exclusively use the old PS/2 keyboards and mice. They literally plug/epoxy all the USB ports on every device to ensure they are completely unavailable to users for anything. TPreston 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1323630-legacy-ports/#findComment-597818788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPreston Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 On 26/02/2017 at 8:08 PM, Mindovermaster said: Give it time. Be glad they don't have Dual PS/2 ports anymore. It's going away. Still there on buisness pcs for deployment via old KVM it doesnt hurt. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1323630-legacy-ports/#findComment-597818820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe User Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 PS2 interfaces are mostly for legacy business stuff, same with VGA. The USB2 ports are needed for older OS support. HDMI is the replacement for DVI. 7.1 on a budget MB? The overall cost of the ports is negligible, since it's all part of the chipset anyway. Essentially, those ports are there, spend the $2 to build them out and avoid having to create another SKU which would cost far more. TPreston 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1323630-legacy-ports/#findComment-597818828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsupersonic Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 HDMI is not only for TV's. Most computer monitors these days have a HDMI input...As far as the other ports, I don't have a need for PS/2, I don't use on-board graphics, and I don't use 7.1 audio on my PC. Just USB type C all the things! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1323630-legacy-ports/#findComment-597818830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindovermaster Global Moderator Posted March 8, 2017 Global Moderator Share Posted March 8, 2017 25 minutes ago, TPreston said: Still there on buisness pcs for deployment via old KVM it doesnt hurt. never said it hurts. I just saying on consumer PC's, not business. TPreston 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1323630-legacy-ports/#findComment-597818850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circaflex Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 2 hours ago, Zag L. said: I know in my office they exclusively use the old PS/2 keyboards and mice. They literally plug/epoxy all the USB ports on every device to ensure they are completely unavailable to users for anything. That sounds like a terrible idea. I wonder if your IT team knows you can disable the USB ports via the BIOS for 99% of computers or use Group Policy; but glue in the physical port? What bonehead thought that was a good idea. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1323630-legacy-ports/#findComment-597818954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hum Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 (edited) Some people hold on to hardware as long as it still works. Many users are only replacing a MB when it fails. You can always add ports that you want to the motherboard, via cards. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1323630-legacy-ports/#findComment-597818962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindovermaster Global Moderator Posted March 8, 2017 Global Moderator Share Posted March 8, 2017 7 minutes ago, Circaflex said: That sounds like a terrible idea. I wonder if your IT team knows you can disable the USB ports via the BIOS for 99% of computers or use Group Policy; but glue in the physical port? What bonehead thought that was a good idea. I heard of people de-soldering them... It's a problem with some people... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1323630-legacy-ports/#findComment-597818968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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