Israel Successfully Hacked ISIS Computers; Trump Leaked It to the Russians, NYT Reports

[Mockingbird]

The source of the classified intelligence that U.S. President Donald Trump shared with Russian officials in May was information Israel obtained after hacking computers belonging to ISIS, the New York Times reported Monday.

 

According to the Times, which cited a U.S. official, Israeli "cyberoperators" managed to penetrate an ISIS cell of bombmakers based in Syria a number of months ago.

 

According to the report, the information was so good that it allowed the United States to learn that the terror cell was working on explosives that could fool airport security by passing as a laptop battery.

 

According to the report, the information helped support a ban since March on carrying electronics such as laptops on incoming flights from number of predominantly Muslim countries to the United States and Britain.

 

According to a May article in the New York Times, the source of the classified intelligence was Israel. The report cited a current U.S. official and a former one.

 

The intelligence was shared at a meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Russian Ambassador Sergei Kislyak. The unnamed officials said Israel had previously urged the United States to be cautious with the information. The revelation that Trump shared sensitive intelligence with Russia raises the possibility that the information could be subsequently leaked to Iran.

 

The New York Times report said Israeli officials refused to confirm that Israel was the source of the information. But BuzzFeed News quoted two Israeli intelligence officials as saying that Israel had shared information with the United States on an Islamic State plan to sneak explosive-laden laptops onto airplanes. The New York Times' report that the U.S. president had shared Israeli intelligence with Russia was Israel's "worst fears confirmed," one of the officers was quoted as saying.

 

http://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.795260

 

[TPreston]

Ring Ring. another day another scandal caused by this fuster cluck administration.

Edited June 12, 2017 by TPreston

[Draconian Guppy]

21 minutes ago, Mockingbird said:

According to the report, the information was so good that it allowed the United States to learn that the terror cell was working on explosives that could fool airport security by passing as a laptop battery.

 

 

http://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.795260

 

gotta give credit to them  

[Rippleman]

18 minutes ago, TPreston said:

Ring Ring. another day another scandal caused by this fuster cluck administration.

 

So you don't think sharing information to save lives is a good thing? You odd balls are one weird group. Security agenceies share critical info all the time. If you think this is a bad thing, you need your head checked.

[Emn1ty]

I think the word "leaked" is misplaced here. He just told the Russians, as we all know well by now that the President can divulge anything he wants to when he deems it appropriate. What the President did and the connotation of "leaking" don't seem to match to me.

[TPreston]

8 minutes ago, Rippleman said:

 

So you don't think sharing information to save lives is a good thing?

Not  if it is without permission from the source as it will cause a backlash as has happened here.

 

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.764711 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/05/16/trump-sharing-russia-chills-israeli-intelligence/101762992/ 

 

8 minutes ago, Rippleman said:

 

You odd balls are one weird group. Security agenceies share critical info all the time. If you think this is a bad thing, you need your head checked.

It only seems that way because you are about as informed on this topic as Sarah Palin is regarding Evolution.

 

6 minutes ago, Emn1ty said:

I think the word "leaked" is misplaced here. He just told the Russians, as we all know well by now that the President can divulge anything he wants to when he deems it appropriate. What the President did and the connotation of "leaking" don't seem to match to me.

And the intelligence agency's around the world can respond by not sharing with the USA.

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.764711

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/05/16/trump-sharing-russia-chills-israeli-intelligence/101762992/

 

 

 

Edited June 12, 2017 by TPreston

[Emn1ty]

16 minutes ago, TPreston said:

And the intelligence agency's around the world can respond by not sharing with the USA.

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.764711

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/05/16/trump-sharing-russia-chills-israeli-intelligence/101762992/

That still doesn't make it "leaking".

[Rippleman]

30 minutes ago, TPreston said:

Not  if it is without permission from the source as it will cause a backlash as has happened here.

 

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.764711 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/05/16/trump-sharing-russia-chills-israeli-intelligence/101762992/ 

 

It only seems that way because you are about as informed on this topic as Sarah Palin is regarding Evolution.

 

And the intelligence agency's around the world can respond by not sharing with the USA.

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.764711

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/05/16/trump-sharing-russia-chills-israeli-intelligence/101762992/

 

 

Reading the story shows no sign of what you are speaking of. Sorry dude. Just like always, you struck out. Don't you have an antifa protest to go to or something?

[redfish]

Yes, Trump should have followed protocol and asked permission, but the panic about it assumes that Israel didn't already share that information with Russia. Bottom line is that Russia is not in favor of ISIS, and has been in part coordinating in Israel in Syria, so they had no interest in harming Israeli operations there.

 

The New York Times did far more damage than Trump did by reporting this information in the open press.

 

[hagjohn]

1 hour ago, Rippleman said:

 

So you don't think sharing information to save lives is a good thing? You odd balls are one weird group. Security agenceies share critical info all the time. If you think this is a bad thing, you need your head checked.

If Trump does this too many more times, people may not want to share with us.... to save our lives. Think about it.

1 hour ago, Emn1ty said:

I think the word "leaked" is misplaced here. He just told the Russians, as we all know well by now that the President can divulge anything he wants to when he deems it appropriate. What the President did and the connotation of "leaking" don't seem to match to me.

It doesn't mean it was the smart or right thing to do though.

[TPreston]

2 hours ago, redfish said:

Yes, Trump should have followed protocol and asked permission, but the panic about it assumes that Israel didn't already share that information with Russia.

Which is backed up by multiple sources corroborated by multiple news agency's.

 

1 hour ago, SpyCatcher said:

Saving Russian lives is unacceptable.... 

Nice strawman argument I see you've moved on from basic adhoms. The issue here is that he shared this information without permission from Israel and the blowback that has resulted from it.

2 hours ago, Rippleman said:

Reading the story shows no sign of what you are speaking of. Sorry dude. Just like always, you struck out. Don't you have an antifa protest to go to or something?

Reports that Israel was the source of highly classified information that President Trump shared with Russian officials last week left a chill among current and former intelligence officials here.

Israeli intelligence officers are taking the matter seriously, a military intelligence officer said Tuesday. The officer, who asked not to be identified because he was not authorized to speak publicly, said Israel was warned months ago to be careful about sharing information with Trump's staff, and now that warning has been realized.

Read more:

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Israel's vaunted intelligence service, known for an extensive network of human sources and technical collection throughout the Middle East, regularly shares detailed information with the United States, its closest ally. In January, the outgoing Obama administration warned Israeli intelligence officials that Trump's national security staff was inexperienced and should be handled with care.

Last week's incident will likely lead to some adjustments in the quality of intelligence shared in the future by Israel and other countries, said Michael Herzog, a retired brigadier general and former intelligence officer with the Israel Defense Forces.

Herzog said the incident could damage the level of trust and ongoing collaboration between the United States and its allies.

Countries will "think twice before sharing sensitive information after an event like this," he said. "Today there was some news from the Europeans, that they are thinking carefully before sharing delicate information. — I don’t want to overstate this, but it is real.”

[Rippleman]

It doesn't mean it was the smart or right thing to do though.

There was no leak, and even if there was, Yes they will. Info is not a one way street. The amount of info the USA gives out to allies dwarf's any Intel received. They would be stupid to withhold anything.

[xendrome]

2 hours ago, Rippleman said:

 

So you don't think sharing information to save lives is a good thing? You odd balls are one weird group. Security agenceies share critical info all the time. If you think this is a bad thing, you need your head checked.

This guy doesn't get it, as shown by his replies in the thread. Leaking the source of the information out to the public or others can lead to a compromised source. People can die because of things like this

[TPreston]

1 hour ago, xendrome said:

This guy doesn't get it, as shown by his replies in the thread. Leaking the source of the information out to the public or others can lead to a compromised source. People can die because of things like this

I notice you all leave out the inconvenient fact that this was shared without Israel's permission

[xendrome]

Just now, TPreston said:

I notice you all leave out the inconvenient fact that this was shared without Israel's permission

That's exactly what I am getting at.. you 1: Don't share intelligence outside of an inner working group without permission and 2: It wasn't ours to share. What if they had an asset in under/deep cover and by the releasing of the information you compromise him and get him killed.

[xendrome]

It's funny how "simple" Rippleman's replies are, there is no thought process being used. It's not a dig on him, it's simply a lack of experience/knowledge in the area. Having worked with intelligence information, and having to deal with what is considered to be an active investigation, FOUO or information to go out to the public you get very careful about what you say/do in electronic files/e-mail, basically because of unintended consequences, but legally because of the laws/procedures put in place, which are there for a reason.

[Rippleman]

11 minutes ago, xendrome said:

It's funny how "simple" Rippleman's replies are, there is no thought process being used. It's not a dig on him, it's simply a lack of experience/knowledge in the area. Having worked with intelligence information, and having to deal with what is considered to be an active investigation, FOUO or information to go out to the public you get very careful about what you say/do in electronic files/e-mail, basically because of unintended consequences, but legally because of the laws/procedures put in place, which are there for a reason.

You are mistaking my position. I would clarify but you would again fall to the same error. You being in intelligence? I believe that as much as T.Preston being in the USAF.

[wakjak]

15 minutes ago, Rippleman said:

You are mistaking my position

Nobody is mistaking your position. You throw it out there every time you type. You would clarify, hah, there's nothing to clarify, which is why you won't.

 

16 minutes ago, Rippleman said:

You being in intelligence? I believe that as much as T.Preston being in the USAF.

Just like you, thinking you know anything about what he was talking about. I'll believe it when I see a pig flying.

[ctebah]

Didn't the same news agencies report that the intelligence came from an Israeli spy?  

 

Trump can share whatever he wants to.  Israel needs the US more than the US needs Israel.  

[Nogib]

ISIS has computers?

[Rippleman]

4 hours ago, Mockingbird said:

But BuzzFeed News quoted two Israeli intelligence officials

Just noticed this... LOL... BUZZFEED is in with Israeli Intelligence???!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[TPreston]

1 hour ago, SpyCatcher said:

What verifiable data from Israel (not unnamed sources) can you present that validates any portion of your position?

What makes you think this is a requirement for forming conclusions ?

 

 

[TPreston]

1 hour ago, SpyCatcher said:

The comments you make assumptions on read like they are fact based, in reality, they are only opinion and conjecture. 

That is inevitably confirmed by the administration as fact

[Pork Chopper]

Leaks, shmeaks.  Can't everyone see that Trump in simple terms is a jerk and doesn't deserve to be President?  I personally have a connection to his ongoing practice of not paying contractors for work done.  My friends father supplied the tile with installation for the Taj Mahal in A.C.  Trump, citing shabby work, refused to pay him 3.4 million US dollars.  Trump told him to sue him.  Long story short, my friends father got pennies on the dollar and had to take out a second mortgage and just barely managed to save his business.

[Pishaw]

4 hours ago, Rippleman said:

So you don't think sharing information to save lives is a good thing? You odd balls are one weird group. Security agenceies share critical info all the time. If you think this is a bad thing, you need your head checked.

Are you aware we have an adversarial relationship with the Russian government, right? They are not our friends. Compromising an intelligence source to an enemy is a bad thing. Doing it to show them how 'in the loop' you are is just plain stupid. The Russians aren't a dumb as Trump. They already know he's in the loop. He just doesn't realize that.

 

So I guess we need more Benghazi hearings, right?