Gunman wounds several at congressional baseball practice in Virginia

[Emn1ty]

12 minutes ago, Raze said:

In other words, we should take what POTUS Trump says with a grain of salt.

 

Except I can't find a grain big enough...    

If we took everything everyone said literally all the time, we'd probably have destroyed ourselves by now. We all know how unpolished Trump is when he speaks, but it boggles my mind how often we try and take advantage of that fact and turn small things into big ones without much reason to.

[wakjak]

1 minute ago, Emn1ty said:

If we took everything everyone said literally all the time, we'd probably have destroyed ourselves by now. We all know how unpolished Trump is when he speaks, but it boggles my mind how often we try and take advantage of that fact and turn small things into big ones without much reason to.

He's the PRESIDENT of the United States. He's supposed to be taken seriously. Why is that a difficult concept to understand? This is the person that is supposed to be leading the free world. Yet we're just supposed to ignore 99.9% of what he says because "eh he's just unfiltered and you shouldn't take him seriously?". That's a pretty ###### poor attitude to have towards the president of your country.

[Emn1ty]

3 minutes ago, wakjak said:

He's the PRESIDENT of the United States. He's supposed to be taken seriously. Why is that a difficult concept to understand? This is the person that is supposed to be leading the free world. Yet we're just supposed to ignore 99.9% of what he says because "eh he's just unfiltered and you shouldn't take him seriously?". That's a pretty ###### poor attitude to have towards the president of your country.

Note, I used the word "literally" for a reason. Of course we should take him seriously, but that doesn't mean we have to take him literally on ever single word he says. Just because you don't take someone literally doesn't mean you're not taking them seriously.

[+Raze Subscriber²]

Sadly since POTUS Trump lacks the filters we've come to expect in a President, then we have to look at what he's saying, and based on his remark history, apply our own filters.

[DocM]

6 minutes ago, wakjak said:

He's the PRESIDENT of the United States. He's supposed to be taken seriously. Why is that a difficult concept to understand? 

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Then we're were supposed to take Obama and Clinton's deuce and a half's full of bovine excrement seriously? 

 

"I never had sex with that woman..."

"...57 states..."

"You can keep your doctor...."

"But regime change there took eight years, thousands of American and Iraqi lives, and nearly a trillion dollars. That is not something we can afford to repeat in Libya,"

 

Glad you cleared that up! 

[+Raze Subscriber²]

17 minutes ago, DocM said:

Then we're were supposed to take Obama and Clinton's deuce and a half's full of bovine excrement seriously? 

 

"I never had sex with that woman..."

"...57 states..."

"You can keep your doctor...."

"But regime change there took eight years, thousands of American and Iraqi lives, and nearly a trillion dollars. That is not something we can afford to repeat in Libya,"

 

Glad you cleared that up! 

 

What??

 

Only if you chose to. 

 

 

[Andre S. Veteran]

On 2017-06-14 at 4:40 PM, trag3dy said:

"But if he didn't have access to guns..." then he would use something else as we've seen demonstrated repeatedly over the last year or so. Cars can be just as, if not more effective than guns.

Then why didn't he use a car? And if cars are just as effective as guns at killing people, why defend gun rights in the first place? Just get a car! Most people have one already anyway and they can take you places which a gun can't do.

[ctebah]

19 minutes ago, Andre S. said:

Then why didn't he use a car? And if cars are just as effective as guns at killing people, why defend gun rights in the first place? Just get a car! Most people have one already anyway and they can take you places which a gun can't do.

That's the argument I never understood either.  

[wakjak]

1 hour ago, DocM said:

Then we're were supposed to take Obama and Clinton's deuce and a half's full of bovine excrement seriously? 

I mean, they're not the president of the united states right now. But if you took them seriously then good for you. Now if you believed every speaking error(to which you knew the answer was a simple mistake), well that is on you.

 

I don't remember Obama telling people to beat the crap out of protesters and that he'd pay their legal bills. Maybe I missed that speech.

Although, I did hear your current president, for 8 years tell us that Obama was a Muslim from Kenya, and that he was paying people to investigate his birth certificate. 

Thanks for clearing that up for me! lol

 

 

[hagjohn]

3 hours ago, DocM said:

In that vein, are you denying that DNC operatives, working through affiliated groups, intentionally provoked Trump supporters at their rallies? Yes or no will do.

 

Because if they did, then that violence would not have occurred without the intentional provocation. That makes it the DNC's fault, the same as kicking a junkyard dog then complaining you got bit.

I do not know if I've seen any evidence that it happened. I know fox had someone on but they ended up catching them in a lie. But even if I give you this, it is not an only 1 party issue. The conservatives did the same thing to Obama and Hillary. Never heard O or H promote violence, in fact, they went out of their way to calm the crowds down.

[DocM]

2 hours ago, hagjohn said:

I do not know if I've seen any evidence that it happened. I know fox had someone on but they ended up catching them in a lie.

It was caught on video by Project Veritas, of which I'll post some pertinent frames. Like them or not, they got Dem operatives talking off the cuff. Full video on request. Subtitle is from the video.

 

 

Blocks over adult language. Bottom line, the entire idea of the Dem operatives being there was intentional provocation.  Without them it would have been no more than an ordinary rally. After, they were made other t be the "victims."

 

Yeah, right. It's a page right out of Saul Alinsky 's Rules for Radicals. It's what they've been taught to do since that book came out in 1971. Hillary Clinton did her thesis on him, titled  "There Is Only the Fight . . . : An Analysis of the Alinsky Model," and she looked on him as a mentor so this crap appearing in her campaign is as surprising as the sun rising.

 

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But even if I give you this, it is not an only 1 party issue. The conservatives did the same thing to Obama and Hillary. Never heard O or H promote violence, in fact, they went out of their way to calm the crowds down.

We're talking here, today, after a riled up progressive shot up a group of of people from one party, Republicans. Riled up by a cacaphony of aggressive online banter,  overstated headlines, Talk show themes, assassination comedy & theater, etc.  

 

And now it's happened again to someone merely expressing support for Trump.

 

http://fox59.com/2017/06/15/several-shots-fired-at-truck-carrying-make-america-great-again-flag-on-i-465/

 

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Several shots fired at truck flying ‘Make America Great Again’ flag on I-465

 

INDIANAPOLIS, Ind. – Indiana State Police say shots were fired at a truck carrying a “Make America Great Again” flag and an American flag on eastbound I-465 Tuesday.

Officers believe the shots were fired from a newer white 4-door Chevrolet Malibu with a Louisiana plate near Emerson Avenue around 4 p.m.

The victim and a witness informed police that the Malibu pulled up next to the pickup truck, a passenger held a handgun out of the window and then a male fired several shots.

Police say no one was in injured in the incident.

The driver of the Malibu was described as a black male around the age of 23. The passenger was described as a light skinned black male with a sleeve tattoo on his right arm.
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Edited June 16, 2017 by DocM

[TPreston]

2 hours ago, DocM said:

We're talking here, today, after a riled up progressive shot up a group of of people from one party, Republicans. Riled up by a cacaphony of aggressive online banter,  overstated headlines, Talk show themes, assassination comedy & theater, etc.  

 

And now it's happened again to someone merely expressing support for Trump.

 

http://fox59.com/2017/06/15/several-shots-fired-at-truck-carrying-make-america-great-again-flag-on-i-465/

 

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/quebec-city-mosque-shooting-latest-alexandre-bissonnette-donald-trump-marine-le-pen-facebook-social-a7554451.html

[DocM]

"The French-Canadian student..."

 

This isn't about ticked off French-Canadians or mentally ill children.  It's about US adult left wing radicals who are acting in ways even mainstream Democrats are now decrying. Pity they didn't think to do that when the alt-left was spinning up last year.

 

You know what's really annoying? They spent years decrying the sins of the alt-right, and there were many, then at the first opportunity met and then exceeded those who they had scorned. 

[TPreston]

3 minutes ago, DocM said:

"The French-Canadian student..."

 

This isn't about ticked off French-Canadians or mentally ill children.  It's about US adult left wing radicals who are acting in ways even mainstream Democrats are now decrying. Pity they didn't think to do that when the alt-left was spinning up.

What has the fact that it happened in Canada got to do with my point, If you can blame democrats for this I can blame republicans fro every minority that gets shot stabbed or attacked and there are hundreds of these.

 

You shouldn't do either because its asinine.

[DocM]

3 minutes ago, TPreston said:

What has the fact that it happened in Canada got to do with my point, if you can blame democrats for this I can blame republicans fro every minority that gets shot stabbed or attacked.

 

You shouldn't because its asinine.

What asinine is that you say that when I was responding to a story you posted about a French-Canadian kid who went postal. 

[wakjak]

7 minutes ago, DocM said:

"The French-Canadian student..."

 

This isn't about ticked off French-Canadians or mentally ill children.  It's about US adult left wing radicals who are acting in ways even mainstream Democrats are now decrying. Pity they didn't think to do that when the alt-left was spinning up last year.

 

You know what's really annoying? They spent years decrying the sins of the alt-right, and there were many, then at the first opportunity met and then exceeded those who they had scorned. 

ahem... you want to blame radical left wingers?

 

i'll just leave this here.

 

 

hypocrite.

[TPreston]

7 minutes ago, DocM said:

What asinine is that you say that when I was responding to a story you posted about a French-Canadian kid who went postal. 

Fine there are hundreds of these attacks this year.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/05/28/brave-and-selfless-oregon-stabbing-victims-hailed-as-heroes/?utm_term=.c60a2ff54122

 

So do we get to blame republicans for these based on DocM logic ?

[DocM]

5 minutes ago, wakjak said:

ahem... you want to blame radical left wingers?

 

i'll just leave this here.

 

 

hypocrite.

Mentally incompetent to stand trial.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/11/us/colorado-planned-parenthood-shooting-suspect/index.html

 

We aren't talking mental incompetents, we're talking sane adults on the left  who act like one wrt their politics.

2 minutes ago, TPreston said:

Fine there are hundreds of these attacks this year.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/05/28/brave-and-selfless-oregon-stabbing-victims-hailed-as-heroes/?utm_term=.c60a2ff54122

 

So do we get to blame republicans for these based on DocM logic ?

1) WaPo, Jeff Bezos' political mouthpiece.

 

2) paywalled

[wakjak]

6 minutes ago, DocM said:

We aren't talking mental incompetents, we're talking sane adults on the left  who act like one wrt their politics.

I don't know many "sane adults" who show up to baseball games ready to shoot to kill.

And how do you know he was sane? He was shot dead after all... Wild speculation, coming from you. 

 

Also.. posting Project Veritas? LOL. You know you've lost the plot when... considering the guys behind Project Veritas videos are facing what.. 15 charges? Possibly jail time? Quit wasting our time with useless BS that you would smack most people down for...

 

You call the MSM fake news? Project Veritas is quite literally fake "news". What a joke. You've turned from rational to tinfoil hat the last few months. Sad!

 

Oh we know, you have a hatred for liberals. Get over it. This isn't a "us vs them" issue. and you know it. 

[TPreston]

18 minutes ago, DocM said:

We aren't talking mental incompetents, we're talking sane adults on the left  who act like one wrt their politics.

1) WaPo, Jeff Bezos' political mouthpiece.

 

2) paywalled

Wow you are running out of excuses fast, Same question

 

http://fox6now.com/2017/04/11/beat-me-like-an-animal-alleged-attacker-rips-off-muslim-womans-hijab-cuts-her-with-knife-on-citys-south-side/

http://www.cjnews.com/news/canada/canadian-jdl-member-charged-d-c-beating-palestinian-american 

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/crime--law/florida-man-accused-setting-store-fire-thought-owners-were-muslims/AiaV4I91dCzaw0UlsOCGYL/

http://www.kptv.com/story/34725881/hate-crime-suspect-beats-salem-restaurant-employee-with-pipe

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/nyregion/queens-ny-jfk-attack.html?_r=0

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/manhattan/homeless-man-throws-coffee-muslim-woman-nyc-dunkin-donuts-article-1.2915553

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-simi-valley-mosque-stabbing-20161211-story.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/muslim-woman-new-york-city-pushed-down-stairs-subway-called-terrorist/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=31992332
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/va-man-charged-with-hate-crime-after-using-muslim-slurs-biting-victims-face-police-say/2017/02/27/8524182a-c819-4c4a-8131-7f93766eeb5e_story.html

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/drunken-pittsburgh-man-sucker-punches-oblivious-indian-man-he-mistook-for-sand-nr/#.WDiWpk4msgw.reddit

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/10/us/brooklyn-muslim-women-attacked/index.html

http://www.wptv.com/news/region-st-lucie-county/fort-pierce/suspect-charged-in-fort-pierce-mosque-arson-to-appear-in-court-again-monday

 

Can we blame republicans and trump for these ?

 

 

Disclaimer: I don't believe we should.

 

Edited June 16, 2017 by TPreston

[DocM]

3 hours ago, TPreston said:

Wow you are running out of excuses fast, Same question

No excuses needed. You're the one who provided the damned link so if it's unreadable it's not my problem, or responsibility.  And most anyone on the other side can easily match you link for link, likely more, but that's a waste of time.

 

So much for a partisan truce for the game....

 

link....

 

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Dozens of congressional staffers erupted into boos, jeers and even vulgar gesticulations Thursday when President Trump appeared in a video at the Congressional Baseball Game at Nationals Park.
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One man shouted an expletive at the video screen as Mr. Trump was telling the fans: "We are showing the world we will not be intimidated by threats."
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When both teams went to second base  the symbolic spot where Rep. Steve Scalise was wounded in the attack at the Alexandria practice field  to kneel and pray, some mocked the prayer too. The fans appeared to be Democratic staffers, having booed the announcement of several members of the GOP lineup.
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In the wake of the attack Wednesday leaders in both parties have pleaded for civility in the political conversation.

Edited June 16, 2017 by DocM

[hagjohn]

4 hours ago, TPreston said:

Wow you are running out of excuses fast, Same question

 

http://fox6now.com/2017/04/11/beat-me-like-an-animal-alleged-attacker-rips-off-muslim-womans-hijab-cuts-her-with-knife-on-citys-south-side/

http://www.cjnews.com/news/canada/canadian-jdl-member-charged-d-c-beating-palestinian-american 

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/crime--law/florida-man-accused-setting-store-fire-thought-owners-were-muslims/AiaV4I91dCzaw0UlsOCGYL/

http://www.kptv.com/story/34725881/hate-crime-suspect-beats-salem-restaurant-employee-with-pipe

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/nyregion/queens-ny-jfk-attack.html?_r=0

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/manhattan/homeless-man-throws-coffee-muslim-woman-nyc-dunkin-donuts-article-1.2915553

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-simi-valley-mosque-stabbing-20161211-story.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/muslim-woman-new-york-city-pushed-down-stairs-subway-called-terrorist/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=31992332
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/va-man-charged-with-hate-crime-after-using-muslim-slurs-biting-victims-face-police-say/2017/02/27/8524182a-c819-4c4a-8131-7f93766eeb5e_story.html

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/drunken-pittsburgh-man-sucker-punches-oblivious-indian-man-he-mistook-for-sand-nr/#.WDiWpk4msgw.reddit

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/10/us/brooklyn-muslim-women-attacked/index.html

http://www.wptv.com/news/region-st-lucie-county/fort-pierce/suspect-charged-in-fort-pierce-mosque-arson-to-appear-in-court-again-monday

 

Can we blame republicans and trump for these ?

 

 

Disclaimer: I don't believe we should.

 

Playing these mind games is just stupid. Don't bother. He (they) are so entrenched in being a conservative that he cannot look outside of that small little me me me box he is in. Violence is wrong,  no matter who is advocating it. Left, center or right. Instead of acknowledging that someone did wrong, he (they) have to play ######-for-tat games, which in their minds excuses the bad behavior. It is okay to be man enough to acknowledging that someone in your own party did something wrong.

Edited June 16, 2017 by hagjohn

[TPreston]

1 hour ago, DocM said:

No excuses needed. You're the one who provided the damned link so if it's unreadable it's not my problem, or responsibility.  And most anyone on the other side can easily match you link for link, likely more, but that's a waste of time.

Sorry you blamed the democrats for this shooting, My question is simple. Can we not blame the republicans and trump for these attacks based on the same logic ?

 

http://fox6now.com/2017/04/11/beat-me-like-an-animal-alleged-attacker-rips-off-muslim-womans-hijab-cuts-her-with-knife-on-citys-south-side/ 

http://www.cjnews.com/news/canada/canadian-jdl-member-charged-d-c-beating-palestinian-american 

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/crime--law/florida-man-accused-setting-store-fire-thought-owners-were-muslims/AiaV4I91dCzaw0UlsOCGYL/ 

http://www.kptv.com/story/34725881/hate-crime-suspect-beats-salem-restaurant-employee-with-pipe 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/nyregion/queens-ny-jfk-attack.html?_r=0 

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/manhattan/homeless-man-throws-coffee-muslim-woman-nyc-dunkin-donuts-article-1.2915553 

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-simi-valley-mosque-stabbing-20161211-story.html 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/muslim-woman-new-york-city-pushed-down-stairs-subway-called-terrorist/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=31992332 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/va-man-charged-with-hate-crime-after-using-muslim-slurs-biting-victims-face-police-say/2017/02/27/8524182a-c819-4c4a-8131-7f93766eeb5e_story.html

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/drunken-pittsburgh-man-sucker-punches-oblivious-indian-man-he-mistook-for-sand-nr/#.WDiWpk4msgw.reddit 

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/10/us/brooklyn-muslim-women-attacked/index.html 

http://www.wptv.com/news/region-st-lucie-county/fort-pierce/suspect-charged-in-fort-pierce-mosque-arson-to-appear-in-court-again-Monday 

 

Yes or no ?

Why is this so incredibly difficult for you to answer ?

Edited June 16, 2017 by TPreston

[JoseyWales]

On 6/14/2017 at 11:32 AM, primortal said:

So the current healthcare debacle of the GOP couldn't be a reason? You immediately jump to collusion; isn't that speculation on your part?

What health care debacle? Obama's.. Nothing has changed and no plan enacted or even submitted. The president tried to change things but it fell short, but you know that. Quit being a mouthpiece for the left.

[JoseyWales]

6 hours ago, wakjak said:

Also.. posting Project Veritas? LOL. You know you've lost the plot when... considering the guys behind Project Veritas videos are facing what.. 15 charges? Possibly jail time? Quit wasting our time with useless BS that you would smack most people down for...

While there methods were dubious, It does not change what THEY GOT ON TAPE.