+Warwagon MVC Posted January 4, 2018 MVC Share Posted January 4, 2018 Here is a thread where users can post benchmarks of their CPU before and after the update from Microsft. Intel Core i7 477R CPU 3.20GHz Brix Pro Before patch After Benchmark software PerformanceTest https://www.passmark.com/products/pt.htm uniacidz, adrynalyne and DConnell 3 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexTan Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) Not sure why I am getting result that is opposite of what I expected. I am running Windows 10 1709 (16229.192) after patched, downloaded from this link: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4056892 Lenovo Laptop SuperPi Mod 1.9 WP ================== Before (1M): 14 seconds Before (8M): 157 seconds After (1M): 14 seconds After (8M): 153 seconds PassMark PerformanceTest (CPU) ============================== Before: 3797, 3812, 3823 (Average: 3810) After : 3844, 3837, 3846 (Average: 3842) Geekbench 4 (CPU) ================= Before (Single-Core): 3139, 3146, 3146 (Average: 3144) After (Single-Core): 3156, 3172, 3188 (Average: 3172) Before (Multi-Core): 5588, 5602, 5574 (Average: 5588) After (Multi-Core): 5556, 5556, 5576 (Average: 5563) (I lost the links for before patched) Score link for after patched:https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/6101200https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/6101313https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/6101448 Jetstream 1.1 ============= Before: 165.50 After : 164.57 HP Laptop SuperPi Mod 1.9 WP ================== Before (1M): 9 seconds Before (8M): 112 seconds After (1M): 9 seconds After (8M): 112 seconds PassMark PerformanceTest (CPU) ============================== Before: 5955, 5961, 5875 (Average: 5930) After : 6197, 6099, 5797 (Average: 6031) Geekbench 4 (CPU) ================= Before (Single-Core): 4668, 4672, 4644 (Average: 4661) After (Single-Core): 4661, 4679, 4700 (Average: 4680) Before (Multi-Core): 9209, 9180, 9168 (Average: 9186) After (Multi-Core): 8755, 8743, 9275 (Average: 8924) Score link for before patched:https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/6101071https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/6101179https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/6101271 Score link for after patched:https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/6102483https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/6102564https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/6102847 Jetstream 1.1 ============= Before: 264.45 After : 253.10 adrynalyne and Mando 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/#findComment-598150188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mando Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Great idea Warwagon here is the start of mine Benchtools used on sig rig @1080p Cinebench 4D 3D Mark (Timespy Extreme) Novabench Rog RealBench Passmark Before Patch Passmark CPU test BEFORE Passmark CPU AFTER Cinebench 4D BEFORE CPU Benchmark = 966CB OpenGL Bench = 140 FPS AFTER CPU Benchmark = 975CB ??? OpenGl Bench = 149.95 FPS ??? 3D Mark timespy extreme BEFORE 3998 AFTER 3997 ???? Novabench 2713 After 2703 RealBench BEFORE Image Editing 212,486/ Time 25.0745 Encoding 93,501/time 56.9829 OpenCL 113,529/ Ksamples per sec 20877 Heavy Multitasking 110,647 Time 68.9761 System Score 132,540 RealBench AFTER Image Editing 208.830/Time 25.5135 Encoding 92,841/time 57.3881 OpenCL 113,529/ Ksamples/sec 20922 Heavy Multitasking 103,867/Time 73.4779 System Score 129,766 Overall slightly slower with some benches, Cinema 4D benches.....anyones guess! before and after had all the same processes running and apps, what i have noticed however, Asus AI Suite 3 wont run btw Webroot Secure anywhere working no problem at all post patch, satukoro and adrynalyne 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/#findComment-598150624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted January 4, 2018 Author MVC Share Posted January 4, 2018 Tried some differnet benchmark software which didn't give the greatest info, but you can see the results. Intel Pentium N3700 1.60GHz Before After Mando and adrynalyne 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/#findComment-598150650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot B. Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 So, no difference. The whole thing was overblown. Nogib, Astra.Xtreme and DConnell 3 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/#findComment-598150666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Zagadka Subscriber² Posted January 4, 2018 Subscriber² Share Posted January 4, 2018 Well, that is certainly a relief. Cheers. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/#findComment-598150668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) On 04/01/2018 at 12:44, alexander3133 said: Not sure why I am getting result that is opposite of what I expected. Expand It’s in the realm of measurement accuracy/error. On 04/01/2018 at 18:58, Elliot B. said: So, no difference. The whole thing was overblown. Expand Maybe for Windows. It’s real in Linux. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/#findComment-598150672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot B. Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 On 04/01/2018 at 19:00, adrynalyne said: Maybe for Windows. It’s real in Linux. Expand That's ok, I'm a Windows gamer Mando 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/#findComment-598150684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pork Chopper Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) Here are my before and after. Hardly any difference. I thought I was saving the one screen with the speedometer but I screwed up, sorry. Mando 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/#findComment-598150744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mando Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 ok Lenovo X201 Test. (old system) Core i7 ULV M620@2.67ghz Benches used Cinema4D Passmark Passmark Before AFTER Cinema 4D CPU = 204cb OpenGL= 0.78 FPs (LMFAO) AFTER CPU= 207cb ???? OpenGL= 0.79 Hardly thorough benchmarking but both higher than before patch....go figure! I would like to see some benchies submitted with AMD chips for a more rounded dataset tbh. Teacup, meet storm adrynalyne 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/#findComment-598150748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted January 4, 2018 Author MVC Share Posted January 4, 2018 27 inch iMac Intel Core i7-2600 3.40Ghz Before After Mando 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/#findComment-598150780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockingbird Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 I installed the update and it turns out that kernel VA shadow is off. No wonder it's not having any performance impact. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/#findComment-598150904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mando Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 On 04/01/2018 at 21:36, Mockingbird said: I installed the update and it turns out that kernel VA shadow is off. No wonder it's not having any performance impact. Expand good info to know mate, thank you. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/#findComment-598150908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GadgetPig Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) I would say the patch didn't penalize my Windows 10x64 system as much as I thought it would. yay Mando 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/#findComment-598151122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) The reason why older CPUs see a larger performance hit is the absence of PCID. PCID mostly mititgates the performance hit. Not sure how far it goes back (haswell maybe?), but seventh and 8th gen Intel CPUs should not feel the burn. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/#findComment-598151142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xendrome Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 But.. Linux Forums said 30% performance hit.. GadgetPig and Mando 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/#findComment-598151146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mando Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 On 05/01/2018 at 00:28, adrynalyne said: The reason why older CPUs see a larger performance hit is the absence of PCID. PCID mostly mititgates the performance hit. Not sure how far it goes back (haswell maybe?), but seventh and 8th gen Intel CPUs should not feel the burn. Expand what about my stellar perf on that X201? M620 i7 ULV? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/#findComment-598151150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 On 05/01/2018 at 00:35, Mando said: what about my stellar perf on that X201? M620 i7 ULV? Expand Further research and discussion with co-workers on my end has shown that unless the process/app/whatever is making sys calls, it’s not going to make much of a difference. Mando 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/#findComment-598151160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circaflex Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 On 05/01/2018 at 00:37, adrynalyne said: Further research and discussion with co-workers on my end has shown that unless the process/app/whatever is making sys calls, it’s not going to make much of a difference. Expand I also read something similar, the performance hit is only when making sys calls, so a VM would potentially have a performance decline, correct? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/#findComment-598151162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mando Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 On 05/01/2018 at 00:40, Circaflex said: I also read something similar, the performance hit is only when making sys calls, so a VM would potentially have a performance decline, correct? Expand ill get back to you on that tomms mate, I set up a W10 VM and 2k16 server VM for testing at work before leaving today. On Lenovo X Series hosts running Esxi 6. (12 Xeons per host) corpwide were assessing and deciding if its worth pushing the patch out, Sec dir above us reckons while its a stinker, it doesnt pose any real world threat to our global estate at this point in time. for one the systems need to be compromised before this is even a "thing", games already lost at that point. adrynalyne, riceBox and Circaflex 3 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/#findComment-598151164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 On 05/01/2018 at 00:40, Circaflex said: I also read something similar, the performance hit is only when making sys calls, so a VM would potentially have a performance decline, correct? Expand Unknown. I’m way out of my comfort zone with the complexity of this. Circaflex 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/#findComment-598151168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mando Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 On 05/01/2018 at 00:43, adrynalyne said: Unknown. I’m way out of my comfort zone with the complexity of this. Expand yep, im the same, grasping some of it, but bowing to my Sec teams superior knowledge in this field, im just helping them spread the workload, cos im nice like that (and im whoring myself to Global Corp Sec team for a new role with them from home :P) im sick of going into an office and dealing with retarded end losers directly as well as server/site adm work (which i love!), im getting too old to enjoy juggling multiple roles at a single site, and my boss is an inept A-hole but thats another story! might even post a soapbox article on todays events re: NTP settings and synching issues, i was without words when i discovered what had been setup. put it this way, in general Default GPO holds every policy estate wide....no just no!! /faceplant! thats a starter for 10 in what i discovered! adrynalyne 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/#findComment-598151170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamester64 Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) On 04/01/2018 at 18:28, Mando said: before and after had all the same processes running and apps, what i have noticed however, Asus AI Suite 3 wont run Expand Im having the same issue with Asus AI Suite 2, were you able to find a fix ? Mando 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/#findComment-598151180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mando Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 On 05/01/2018 at 00:56, jamester64 said: Im having the same issue with Asus AI Suite 2, were you able to find a fix ? Expand Nah mate, tried reinstalling and no dice. no new version atm either. meantime ive set it all up in bios manually, inc fan tuning. Ive emailed Asus support to notify them of my findings. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/#findComment-598151188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamester64 Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) On 05/01/2018 at 00:58, Mando said: Nah mate, tried reinstalling and no dice. no new version atm either. meantime ive set it all up in bios manually, inc fan tuning. Ive emailed Asus support to notify them of my findings. Expand Strange that AsusFanControlService is still running in the background so at least I got that :-) I just cant get the GUI to open :-( Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/#findComment-598151194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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