Mockingbird Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Oh oh! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/page/2/#findComment-598151358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogurth Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 The performance drop does not look as bad as I have feared but it seems that the Windows patch is only a part of the equation as Intel started releasing Firmware upgrades. It would be interesting what is the penalty of the patch if any, in conjunction with the new Firmware. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/page/2/#findComment-598151376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexTan Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 HP has just pushed BIOS update. TITLE: HP NoteBook System BIOS Update VERSION: 01.12 REV: A PASS: 1 Reveal hidden contents TITLE: HP NoteBook System BIOS Update VERSION: 01.12 REV: A PASS: 1 DESCRIPTION: This package creates files that contain an image of the System BIOS (ROM) for the supported notebook models with a P80 family ROM. This package is used to flash the System ROM on a supported notebook. This package includes several methods for updating the BIOS version as follows: - Use the HPBIOSUPDREC Utility to update the BIOS directly in a Microsoft Windows Operating System environment. - Use System Software Manager (SSM) to update the system BIOS on PCs in a network. NOTE: To determine the ROM family and ROM date, press F10 on the notebook/laptop during startup to run the Setup Utility, and then view File/System Information. PURPOSE: Critical SOFTPAQ FILE NAME: SP84329.exe SOFTPAQ MD5: ca35a50549e6fc4205d61bd52fc5ad67 SUPERSEDES: SP82334 EFFECTIVE DATE: January 04, 2018 CATEGORY: BIOS SSM SUPPORTED: Yes PRODUCT TYPE(S): Notebooks HARDWARE PRODUCT MODEL(S): HP EliteBook x360 1030 Notebook PC OPERATING SYSTEM(S): Microsoft Windows 10 All Editions (64-bit) LANGUAGE(S): Global ENHANCEMENTS: - Provides the updated Realtek UEFI drivers. - Provides improved security on systems using the Kaby Lake processor. - Provides improved security on systems using the Skylake processor. - Adds a feature to disable all integrated audio devices on the system. - Adds a feature to disable all integrated microphones devices on the system. - Provides support for HP Thunderbolt Dock 120W/230W G2. - Provides the keyboard self-test feature. - Provides a feature to allow the IT administrator to use the BIOS Configuration Utility or the F10 BIOS menu to control HP Sure View on the system. - Provides improved security of UEFI code and variables in an Intel system. HP strongly recommends transitioning promptly to this updated BIOS version which supersedes all previous releases. NOTE: Due to the security changes in this release, attempts to install older BIOS versions require the user to be physically present to accept the older version. FIXES: - Fixes an issue on a system with an Intel processor where the CPU usage is unexpectedly high when Wake On LAN is used. - Fixes an issue where the response of the cursor is unexpectedly slow after the lid is closed and then reopened. - Fixes an issue where the Save/Restore GPT feature does not function properly. - Fixes an issue where the Windows Management Instrumentation (WMI) Physical Presence Interface setting does not function properly after the setup password is configured. - Fixes an issue which causes the system to stop functioning (hang) after Intel Active Management Technology (AMT) is disabled and then the BIOS is updated in Non-Delay Mode. - Fixes an issue where the system exits the F10 BIOS menu unintentionally when the Fn+F3 key combination is used in the setup menu. - Fixes an issue where the system exits the F10 BIOS menu unintentionally when the Fn+F4 key combination is used in the setup menu. - Fixes an issue where the system unexpectedly wakes from Sleep (S3) or Hibernate (S4) modes after the system is reconnected to a USB-C Dock. - Fixes an issue where a system that is powered off while connected to a USB-C Dock and then disconnected from the dock wakes unexpectedly after the system is reconnected to the USB-C Dock. - Fixes an issue where the Fast Charge option is no longer available in the F10 BIOS setup menu after a BIOS update is run. - Fixes an issue where the response of a device connected to the system using the Thunderbolt port is unexpectedly slow after a BIOS update is run. - Fixes an issue where the battery in a USB device connected to the system continues to recharge from the system when the device is connected to a system that has the Charging Port disabled when the battery is below a level that is set in the F10 BIOS menu. Mando 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/page/2/#findComment-598151454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mando Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 On 05/01/2018 at 01:04, jamester64 said: Strange that AsusFanControlService is still running in the background so at least I got that :-) I just cant get the GUI to open :-( Expand yep same here. suspect its the bios side of things in AISuite. if you try to rerun it, UAC prompt pops up but it never opens its ui, but you can see it in task mgr. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/page/2/#findComment-598151462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexTan Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Benchmark Comparison Between:After OS Patched, Before BIOS Patched & After OS Patched, After BIOS Patched Computer: HP HP EliteBook x360 1030 G2 Processor: Intel Core i7-7600U (GenuineIntel Family 6 Model 142 Stepping 9) PassMark PerformanceTest (CPU) ============================== Before: 6054, 6106, 6033 (Average: 6064) After : 6166, 5957, 5738 (Average: 5954)Result: -1.81% Geekbench 4 (CPU) ================= Before (Single-Core): 4715, 4701, 4707 (Average: 4708) After (Single-Core): 4629, 4657, 4667 (Average: 4651)Result: -1.21% Before (Multi-Core): 9254, 9301, 9294 (Average: 9283) After (Multi-Core): 9111, 9142, 9165 (Average: 9139)Result: -1.55% Score link for before BIOS patched:https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/6136429https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/6136510https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/6136562 Score link for after BIOS patched:https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/6137171https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/6137243https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/6137313 CPU-Z ===== Before (Single-Core): 407.4, 414.7, 414.3 (Average: 412.1) After (Single-Core): 269.2, 253.2, 248.2 (Average: 256.9)Result: -37.66% Before (Multi-Core): 1164.0, 1169.4, 1171.8 (Average: 1168.4) After (Multi-Core): 1140.7, 1144.2, 1138.2 (Average: 1141.0)Result: -2.35% Mando, Yogurth, DConnell and 1 other 4 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/page/2/#findComment-598151502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsYcHoKiLLa Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) On 04/01/2018 at 18:58, Elliot B. said: So, no difference. The whole thing was overblown. Expand Not really, on newer CPUs the difference is nominal, on older models, especially those with less cores (dual core) or no hyperthreading, it'll be a lot more damaging to performance. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/page/2/#findComment-598151556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
satukoro Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 On 04/01/2018 at 18:28, Mando said: Great idea Warwagon here is the start of mine Benchtools used on sig rig @1080p Cinebench 4D 3D Mark (Timespy Extreme) Novabench Rog RealBench Passmark Before Patch Passmark CPU test BEFORE Passmark CPU AFTER Cinebench 4D BEFORE CPU Benchmark = 966CB OpenGL Bench = 140 FPS AFTER CPU Benchmark = 975CB ??? OpenGl Bench = 149.95 FPS ??? 3D Mark timespy extreme BEFORE 3998 AFTER 3997 ???? Novabench 2713 After 2703 RealBench BEFORE Image Editing 212,486/ Time 25.0745 Encoding 93,501/time 56.9829 OpenCL 113,529/ Ksamples per sec 20877 Heavy Multitasking 110,647 Time 68.9761 System Score 132,540 RealBench AFTER Image Editing 208.830/Time 25.5135 Encoding 92,841/time 57.3881 OpenCL 113,529/ Ksamples/sec 20922 Heavy Multitasking 103,867/Time 73.4779 System Score 129,766 Overall slightly slower with some benches, Cinema 4D benches.....anyones guess! before and after had all the same processes running and apps, what i have noticed however, Asus AI Suite 3 wont run btw Webroot Secure anywhere working no problem at all post patch, Expand Cinema 4D doesn't give a crap about kernel patches apparently. Thanks for the laugh lol Mando 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/page/2/#findComment-598151812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mando Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 On 05/01/2018 at 16:50, satukoro said: Cinema 4D doesn't give a crap about kernel patches apparently. Thanks for the laugh lol Expand lol so it seems, but tbh outside of work, i dont give a crap about kernel patches either lol satukoro 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/page/2/#findComment-598151818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockingbird Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Realbench 2.56 Core i7-8700K Yogurth, Mando and GadgetPig 3 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/page/2/#findComment-598152122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogurth Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 On 05/01/2018 at 21:05, Mockingbird said: Realbench 2.56 Core i7-8700K Expand Looks really bad when both BIOS and Windows patch work together. Gonna hold off the updates for now and see if any consequent update will fix the performance. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/page/2/#findComment-598152366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 On 05/01/2018 at 21:05, Mockingbird said: Realbench 2.56 Core i7-8700K Expand What motherboard? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/page/2/#findComment-598152368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekrosoft13 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 this recent patch slowed down my 4k x265 10bit encoding from 24fps to 21fps... when doing large batches that is somewhat significant, FU intel. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/page/2/#findComment-598152376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockingbird Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 On 06/01/2018 at 02:58, adrynalyne said: What motherboard? Expand ASUS PRIME Z370-A It doesn't have to do with that specific motherboard though. It's the microcode update from Intel (in the BIOS) that's causing additional performance drop. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/page/2/#findComment-598152468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 (edited) On 06/01/2018 at 04:55, Mockingbird said: ASUS PRIME Z370-A It doesn't have to do with that specific motherboard though. It's the microcode update from Intel (in the BIOS) that's causing additional performance drop. Expand Duh. Thats not why I was asking. I was curious who had released an update so soon. How do you know this isn't the Intel ME microcode update? It doesn't specify and getting the BIOS out the same day as Intel released the update to OEMs sounds kinda crazy. You'd think at least it would be a beta BIOS. Edited January 6, 2018 by adrynalyne Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/page/2/#findComment-598152470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekrosoft13 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Threadripper here i come, FU intel Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/page/2/#findComment-598152472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 (edited) On 06/01/2018 at 05:00, nekrosoft13 said: Threadripper here i come, FU intel Expand And then they patch Spectre and you wish you hadn’t switched There are also rumors of more CPU vulnerabilites out there too. Might want to wait and see how this all plays out. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/page/2/#findComment-598152474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimeMaster Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 On 06/01/2018 at 05:02, adrynalyne said: And then they patch Spectre and you wish you hadn’t switched There are also rumors of more CPU vulnerabilites out there too. Might want to wait and see how this all plays out. Expand 1% or 2% hit per patch. Now that's a scary thought. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/page/2/#findComment-598152482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 On 06/01/2018 at 05:14, LimeMaster said: 1% or 2% hit per patch. Now that's a scary thought. Expand Maybe, or we could instead see optimization. I am tempted to switch to AMD, but I am watching first. I don't want to walk into a new mess and be out of pocket for it. LimeMaster 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/page/2/#findComment-598152486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekrosoft13 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 On 06/01/2018 at 05:02, adrynalyne said: And then they patch Spectre and you wish you hadn’t switched There are also rumors of more CPU vulnerabilites out there too. Might want to wait and see how this all plays out. Expand Threadripper is already faster in type of task that I care about, and now intel is 12-20% slower than before, so benefit of running Intel is less and less. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/page/2/#findComment-598152488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 On 06/01/2018 at 05:18, nekrosoft13 said: Threadripper is already faster in type of task that I care about, and now intel is 12-20% slower than before, so benefit of running Intel is less and less. Expand *shrug* Its your money. I am just saying that we don't know how much a hit Spectre will be. MikeChipshop 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/page/2/#findComment-598152490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimeMaster Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 On 06/01/2018 at 05:16, adrynalyne said: Maybe, or we could instead see optimization. I am tempted to switch to AMD, but I am watching first. I don't want to walk into a new mess and be out of pocket for it. Expand Honestly, I would have preferred if they had went with optimization first. I get that security is important, but so is usability & performance. Especially when you consider the fact that most people don't have top of the line CPUs. Yogurth 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/page/2/#findComment-598152494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 On 06/01/2018 at 05:21, LimeMaster said: Honestly, I would have preferred if they had went with optimization first. I get that security is important, but so is usability & performance. Especially when you consider the fact that most people don't have top of the line CPUs. Expand I've a feeling that maybe they would have, had a certain company not blabbed sooner than they expected. LimeMaster and Mando 1 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/page/2/#findComment-598152502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimeMaster Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 On 06/01/2018 at 05:23, adrynalyne said: I've a feeling that maybe they would have, had a certain company not blabbed sooner than they expected. Expand Yeah I suppose. They are kinda screwing themselves over a bit, since they have less time to create their own patch. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/page/2/#findComment-598152506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 (edited) On 06/01/2018 at 04:56, adrynalyne said: Duh. Thats not why I was asking. I was curious who had released an update so soon. How do you know this isn't the Intel ME microcode update? It doesn't specify and getting the BIOS out the same day as Intel released the update to OEMs sounds kinda crazy. You'd think at least it would be a beta BIOS. Expand Disregard the question--I saw how they checked it. Edit: Seems like there are conflicting reports. On 06/01/2018 at 05:27, LimeMaster said: Yeah I suppose. They are kinda screwing themselves over a bit, since they have less time to create their own patch. Expand True that. Edited January 6, 2018 by adrynalyne LimeMaster 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/page/2/#findComment-598152508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mando Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 On 06/01/2018 at 05:28, adrynalyne said: Disregard the question--I saw how they checked it. Edit: Seems like there are conflicting reports. True that. Expand dang, jjust checked for my 270 mobo no bios update yet (Strix H) 7700k Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1352412-microsoft-kernel-patch-cpu-before-and-after-benchmarks-thread/page/2/#findComment-598152720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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