medhunter Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 Can This laptop get NVME M.2 SSD? I am upgrading from intel old 2.5 inch SSD to M.2 Specifically, option 1 360 SAR with warranty or option 2 280 SAR without warranty or option 3 375 with warranty ? Which would you prefer? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1382490-ssd-upgrade-question-for-acer-f5-573g/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindovermaster Global Moderator Posted May 4, 2019 Global Moderator Share Posted May 4, 2019 (edited) Uh, where in there does it say M.2? Or NVME for that matter? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1382490-ssd-upgrade-question-for-acer-f5-573g/#findComment-598442466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
medhunter Posted May 4, 2019 Author Share Posted May 4, 2019 I am not sure I follow.But I have 2.5 inch SATA SSD, I want to buy M.2 drive. I am not even sure I can get benefit of the NVME .That is why I am double checking with you Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1382490-ssd-upgrade-question-for-acer-f5-573g/#findComment-598442470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindovermaster Global Moderator Posted May 4, 2019 Global Moderator Share Posted May 4, 2019 (edited) SSD: M.2: Has an entirely different header. I did not see M.2 in your description page. Why I asked. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1382490-ssd-upgrade-question-for-acer-f5-573g/#findComment-598442571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel F. Administrators Posted May 4, 2019 Administrators Share Posted May 4, 2019 m.2 is just the the interface type, there is no difference in speed in m.2 sata or over the regular SATA interface. NVME is the PCI Express connection and is much faster than SATA So -M.2 SATA is just SATA using a m.2 slot -m.2 NVME is using pci express The interface is keyed in such a way that M.2 SATA will work in both types of slot (along as the BIOS supports it) but a NVME drive will not work in a M.2 SATA slot. The change over of 2.5" sata to m.2 sata is just to save space and shrink laptop sizes You would only notice any difference if you use a NVME drive and big file transfers Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1382490-ssd-upgrade-question-for-acer-f5-573g/#findComment-598442574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+BudMan MVC Posted May 4, 2019 MVC Share Posted May 4, 2019 In the specs of your laptop, it doesn't mention being able to do a m.2 connection.. Mindovermaster 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1382490-ssd-upgrade-question-for-acer-f5-573g/#findComment-598442575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel F. Administrators Posted May 4, 2019 Administrators Share Posted May 4, 2019 On 04/05/2019 at 12:28, BudMan said: In the specs of your laptop, it doesn't mention being able to do a m.2 connection.. Expand If you really must get a m.2 drive then you can use an adapter https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-2-5in-Adapter-Converter-SAT32M225/dp/B00ITJ7U20 But it will still only do SATA speed as it connects through the SATA interface Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1382490-ssd-upgrade-question-for-acer-f5-573g/#findComment-598442577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindovermaster Global Moderator Posted May 4, 2019 Global Moderator Share Posted May 4, 2019 On 04/05/2019 at 12:32, Daniel F. said: If you really must get a m.2 drive then you can use an adapter https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-2-5in-Adapter-Converter-SAT32M225/dp/B00ITJ7U20 But it will still only do SATA speed as it connects through the SATA interface Expand Yeah, but I doubt OP wants an adaptor... He is misjudged. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1382490-ssd-upgrade-question-for-acer-f5-573g/#findComment-598442581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim K Global Moderator Posted May 4, 2019 Global Moderator Share Posted May 4, 2019 ugh, Acer and their lack of information and bazillion model numbers. Aside from the datasheet in the OP I could barely find information regarding the F5-573G-70EB. I mean, that datasheet could just be a current configuration as shipped. I'm not sure if this notebook supports a nvme SSD or not. Forgetting the 70EB part of the model number ... If the bottom on your notebook looks like this ... I would open up service lid and take a peek inside. Source: https://laptopmedia.com/highlights/inside-acer-aspire-f-15-f5-573g-disassembly-internal-photos-and-upgrade-optionss/ Even then (according to the above) it is a "B & M or M key connector" ... which means it probably does support a PCIe SSD. Browsing other forums also indicates a 573G supports PCIe SSDs, however, I'm very reluctant to to give a green light since I couldn't find a definitive answer through official Acer documentation or for the F5-573G-70EB I'm not sure if there is a software method to check for support? +BudMan 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1382490-ssd-upgrade-question-for-acer-f5-573g/#findComment-598442584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
medhunter Posted May 5, 2019 Author Share Posted May 5, 2019 I can conclude that M.2 does have no or very little advantage over 2.5" SSD with NVME out of the equations. Then I should need to upgrade to 512 or 1TB 2.5" SSD Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1382490-ssd-upgrade-question-for-acer-f5-573g/#findComment-598442701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindovermaster Global Moderator Posted May 5, 2019 Global Moderator Share Posted May 5, 2019 On 05/05/2019 at 00:13, medhunter said: I can conclude that M.2 does have no or very little advantage over 2.5" SSD with NVME out of the equations. Then I should need to upgrade to 512 or 1TB 2.5" SSD Expand Umm, actually, it does.... @DevTech... You can not run M.2, or NVME, for that matter, in your system. It is a whole new architecture that you do not have. There such a reason you need a new SSD? Circaflex 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1382490-ssd-upgrade-question-for-acer-f5-573g/#findComment-598442705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 (edited) On 05/05/2019 at 00:41, Mindovermaster said: Umm, actually, it does.... @DevTech... You can not run M.2, or NVME, for that matter, in your system. It is a whole new architecture that you do not have. There such a reason you need a new SSD? Expand Um actually it does not. The OP is correct. Performance wise, there is very little advantage difference between a 2.5 SSD and an m.2 if there is no nvme or pcie interface. They are both mSATA and you have to deal with the limitations of the interface. Circaflex 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1382490-ssd-upgrade-question-for-acer-f5-573g/#findComment-598442706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindovermaster Global Moderator Posted May 5, 2019 Global Moderator Share Posted May 5, 2019 On 05/05/2019 at 00:45, adrynalyne said: Um actually it does not. The OP is correct. Performance wise, there is very little advantage difference between a 2.5 SSD and an m.2 if there is no nvme or pcie interface. They are both mSATA and you have to deal with the limitations of the interface. Expand Sorta what I meant... But, whatever. My flu isn't helping me here... Circaflex 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1382490-ssd-upgrade-question-for-acer-f5-573g/#findComment-598442711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevTech Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 On 05/05/2019 at 00:41, Mindovermaster said: Umm, actually, it does.... @DevTech... You can not run M.2, or NVME, for that matter, in your system. It is a whole new architecture that you do not have. There such a reason you need a new SSD? Expand Yeah so here's the bedtime story while you nurse your Flu with some lemon and honey: The Good 1. CPU can communicate to the outside world via one or more PCI Express (PCIe) serial data lanes. A specialized chip can take that as input and control 3 to 4 SATA channels, using yet another serial data protocol. 2. OR, you could feed one or more PCIe lanes direct to the hard drive, which is only worth the usage of precious PCIe lanes if it is very very fast. The Bad So that was interface speed. Then there is the confusing packaging: 1. Since the inside of a 2.5" SSD is mostly empty space, why not take the Flash RAM and put it on a tiny circuit board = M.2 2. That tiny M.2 board could have a SATA interface or it could have a PCIe interface. And The Ugly Then there is the trickier stuff: 1. PCIe based Flash RAM SSD including NVMe are getting so blindingly fast that there has arisen another big step of subjective performance improvement. A 3,000 MB/sec NVMe is a noticable improvement over a SSD, not just a benchmark improvement. So it's wallet hurtin' time.... 2. And then the tricks that manufacturers play with Flash. Even with serial bandwidth improvement, it still takes time for a random access to a Flash cell, particularly a write access. For example, for some workloads a SATA drive using 100% SLC cells could still seem a lot faster than a NVMe drive using the crappy new QLC cells... Most NVMe drives are in fact using an unknown amount of SLC cells to form a cache in front of hopefully hi quality 3D NAND cells. These drives also have a RAM cache in front of the SLC! The size of these multitude of cache types is adjusted for "typical" workloads and much larger caches would probably be very useful for "enterprise" and "development" workloads... In any case, if you write to a fast drive that is leaning a bit too hard on its SLC cache, the first part of the transfer will happen at blinding fast SLC Speed and then it will bog down. If a drive gets tested in a review and the tests stay within or close to the SLC cache, it it will look a lot better than it really is... Mindovermaster and Matthew S. 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1382490-ssd-upgrade-question-for-acer-f5-573g/#findComment-598442718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
medhunter Posted May 9, 2019 Author Share Posted May 9, 2019 On 05/05/2019 at 02:06, Mindovermaster said: Sorta what I meant... But, whatever. My flu isn't helping me here... Expand I hope you are fine now. This is the layout i don't know whether this M.2 is PCIe or just msATA On 04/05/2019 at 13:45, Jim K said: ugh, Acer and their lack of information and bazillion model numbers. Aside from the datasheet in the OP I could barely find information regarding the F5-573G-70EB. I mean, that datasheet could just be a current configuration as shipped. I'm not sure if this notebook supports a nvme SSD or not. Forgetting the 70EB part of the model number ... If the bottom on your notebook looks like this ... I would open up service lid and take a peek inside. Source: https://laptopmedia.com/highlights/inside-acer-aspire-f-15-f5-573g-disassembly-internal-photos-and-upgrade-optionss/ Even then (according to the above) it is a "B & M or M key connector" ... which means it probably does support a PCIe SSD. Browsing other forums also indicates a 573G supports PCIe SSDs, however, I'm very reluctant to to give a green light since I couldn't find a definitive answer through official Acer documentation or for the F5-573G-70EB I'm not sure if there is a software method to check for support? Expand which key is there in my picture just above? Can you tell for sure? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1382490-ssd-upgrade-question-for-acer-f5-573g/#findComment-598443994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
medhunter Posted May 9, 2019 Author Share Posted May 9, 2019 moreover, Can I install one 1 T.B drive in either 2.5inch or M.2? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1382490-ssd-upgrade-question-for-acer-f5-573g/#findComment-598443995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindovermaster Global Moderator Posted May 9, 2019 Global Moderator Share Posted May 9, 2019 On 09/05/2019 at 14:40, medhunter said: I hope you are fine now. This is the layout i don't know whether this M.2 is PCIe or just msATA Expand I think that is a m.2 connection for wireless cards... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1382490-ssd-upgrade-question-for-acer-f5-573g/#findComment-598443996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
medhunter Posted May 9, 2019 Author Share Posted May 9, 2019 On 09/05/2019 at 14:44, Mindovermaster said: I think that is a m.2 connection for wireless cards... Expand I already have a wireless card ..atheros I think Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1382490-ssd-upgrade-question-for-acer-f5-573g/#findComment-598444001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindovermaster Global Moderator Posted May 9, 2019 Global Moderator Share Posted May 9, 2019 On 09/05/2019 at 14:56, medhunter said: I already have a wireless card ..atheros I think Expand Like I said, I'm not sure. Though, I think it does not support the full size (2880) *rings bell* Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1382490-ssd-upgrade-question-for-acer-f5-573g/#findComment-598444003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel F. Administrators Posted May 9, 2019 Administrators Share Posted May 9, 2019 On 09/05/2019 at 14:44, Mindovermaster said: I think that is a m.2 connection for wireless cards... Expand it looks like an M.2 with an M key slot which accommodate 2242 ,2260 and 2280 sizes Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1382490-ssd-upgrade-question-for-acer-f5-573g/#findComment-598444009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindovermaster Global Moderator Posted May 9, 2019 Global Moderator Share Posted May 9, 2019 On 09/05/2019 at 15:40, Daniel F. said: it looks like an M.2 with an M key slot which accommodate 2242 ,2260 and 2280 sizes Expand Yeah, something like that... I never messed with the smaller sizes. I only ever used the full sized ones. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1382490-ssd-upgrade-question-for-acer-f5-573g/#findComment-598444050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
medhunter Posted May 9, 2019 Author Share Posted May 9, 2019 Is it obvious whether this is connected by mSATA or PCIe? it was manifactured Dec 2016 Can I use a one TB drive for it? whether 2.5 mSATA or M.2 drive? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1382490-ssd-upgrade-question-for-acer-f5-573g/#findComment-598444101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindovermaster Global Moderator Posted May 9, 2019 Global Moderator Share Posted May 9, 2019 (edited) On 09/05/2019 at 22:39, medhunter said: Is it obvious whether this is connected by mSATA or PCIe? it was manifactured Dec 2016 Can I use a one TB drive for it? whether 2.5 mSATA or M.2 drive? Expand About all you can do is try. Buy from a good online store that has 30-90 day refunds, and try it. If for some reason it doesn't work, return it. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1382490-ssd-upgrade-question-for-acer-f5-573g/#findComment-598444103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim K Global Moderator Posted May 9, 2019 Global Moderator Share Posted May 9, 2019 On 09/05/2019 at 22:39, medhunter said: Is it obvious whether this is connected by mSATA or PCIe? it was manifactured Dec 2016 Can I use a one TB drive for it? whether 2.5 mSATA or M.2 drive? Expand No, a mSATA will not go into that m.2 slot. They are two different interfaces. I'm fairly sure you can either use a m.2 SATA or a m.2 PCIe SSD. A m.2 PCIe SSD will obviously give you faster performance. Regarding the three drives you listed in the OP ... they should all work. However, the link to the second drive is broken though looking at the URL it appears you were trying to link to a Western Digital Green m.2 ... that is a SATA m.2 drive (whereas the other two are PCIe). I can not really recommend a particular brand (though you can't go wrong with Samsung...haha). Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1382490-ssd-upgrade-question-for-acer-f5-573g/#findComment-598444109 Share on other sites More sharing options...
medhunter Posted May 10, 2019 Author Share Posted May 10, 2019 On 09/05/2019 at 22:47, Mindovermaster said: About all you can do is try. Buy from a good online store that has 30-90 day refunds, and try it. If for some reason it doesn't work, return it. Expand Can this be achievable from saudi arabia.i am working there for the time being. On 09/05/2019 at 23:32, Jim K said: No, a mSATA will not go into that m.2 slot. They are two different interfaces. I'm fairly sure you can either use a m.2 SATA or a m.2 PCIe SSD. A m.2 PCIe SSD will obviously give you faster performance. Regarding the three drives you listed in the OP ... they should all work. However, the link to the second drive is broken though looking at the URL it appears you were trying to link to a Western Digital Green m.2 ... that is a SATA m.2 drive (whereas the other two are PCIe). I can not really recommend a particular brand (though you can't go wrong with Samsung...haha). Expand so, physically PCIe M.2 drive is going to work but not at the maximum speed because it might be m.2 with mSATA connection,not PCIe. right? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1382490-ssd-upgrade-question-for-acer-f5-573g/#findComment-598444137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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