firey Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 On 29/11/2019 at 00:09, Peresvet said: I support the innovation, but let's be real and honest. For $50-70K, I'd rather buy a BMW X5 or an Audi Q7. Expand See, for 70K I'd rather buy an F150 Lariat or Raptor. margrave 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1389505-tesla-cybertruck/page/2/#findComment-598502828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazmac Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 On 27/11/2019 at 17:46, Circaflex said: All the technology in the world could be packed into that vehicle, but I wouldn't drive it. That "truck," is ugly. Expand I agree it's is a radical look much like the Hummer H1 was when it hit the streets. I've since come around on the look of the Tesla Cybertruck. Don't ask me how that happened. astropheed and Dick Montage 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1389505-tesla-cybertruck/page/2/#findComment-598502832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted November 29, 2019 Author Share Posted November 29, 2019 (edited) On 29/11/2019 at 12:10, Jim K said: It was a pointless video. I mean ... this was all about traction ... the Tesla is heavier and AWD while the F-150 was 2x4 and has most of its weight up front (not over the rear tires). That video had nothing to do with torque or whatever ... I am curious why they didn't opt to use a 4x4 F-150 ... surely all four tires smoking would have made for better theatrics? hmmm With respect to the Tesla truck ... don't know if my opinion about any vehicle has wildly swung like a pendulum ... at first I disliked it ... then I kinda liked it ... after seeing some videos of it on the road I'm back to not liking it (the looks). Might look good with a matte black paint job... Expand Since Ford backed out of their challenge, it sounds like Tesla's re-runing the test next week with a more appropriate matchup. https://electrek.co/2019/11/29/tesla-cybertruck-becomes-underdog-ford-f150-tug-of-war-challenge/ Quote > Musk agreed to a rematch and even agreed to bring Ford onboard after an executive from the automaker, Sunny Madra, challenged Tesla to a fairer tug-of-war between the F-150 and the Cybertruck. However, we later learned that Ford was backing out of the challenge and called the first one “absurd.” Nonetheless, Tesla apparently plans to move forward with a rematch that would be fairer to the Ford F-150 pickup truck next week. > Expand Edited November 29, 2019 by DocM +E.Worm Jimmy 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1389505-tesla-cybertruck/page/2/#findComment-598502888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim K Global Moderator Posted November 29, 2019 Global Moderator Share Posted November 29, 2019 On 29/11/2019 at 22:53, DocM said: Since Ford backed out of their challenge, it sounds like Tesla's re-runing the test next week with a more appropriate matchup. https://electrek.co/2019/11/29/tesla-cybertruck-becomes-underdog-ford-f150-tug-of-war-challenge/ Expand ... doesn't change the fact that the first video was pointless and not at all about torque. I don't get all googly-eyed over dumb things like this (same with the electric F-150 pulling a 1M pound train)...it's just stupid. Tesla pitting an AWD vehicle against a 2-wheel drive vehicle wasn't fair ... and they knew it. The "rematch" is pointless as well ... especially if they don't at least opt for the F-250 4x4 (which puts it around the same weight/price category ... and the 250 can tow up to 15k pounds). Though, in the end it isn't a "real-world" test....well, maybe if you live in Alabama or Mississippi...LOL. It should be ... how much can a haul and/or tow ... and how far. I see the default ranges on the Tesla ... what are they under load? +Raze, dead.cell and adrynalyne 3 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1389505-tesla-cybertruck/page/2/#findComment-598502895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted November 30, 2019 Author Share Posted November 30, 2019 (edited) I think a flat black with some mods could be a Batmobile, and with those planar surfaces it's begging for a wrap job. Someone proposed camo wraps. Just put a phased plasma cannon in the back and you're ready for John Connor's orders. Those 35/12.5 skins should be just right... Dick Montage 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1389505-tesla-cybertruck/page/2/#findComment-598502904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peresvet Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 (edited) On 29/11/2019 at 00:42, HoochieMamma said: No, just flatbed trucks/utes/utility vehicles, not soccer mum cars like the BMW/Audi. Expand A soccer mum car that does 0-60mph in 5 sec. Sure, sure. I suppose Porsche Cayenne is a soccer mum car too. Heck, how about Lamborghini Urus or Bentley Bentayga, or Rolls Royce Cullinan while we're at it - are these soccer mum cars too in your opinion? I'm genuinely curious. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1389505-tesla-cybertruck/page/2/#findComment-598502906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peresvet Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 On 29/11/2019 at 15:58, firey said: See, for 70K I'd rather buy an F150 Lariat or Raptor. Expand If I needed a truck, as in actually use it for what it's been designed for, then "a normal" F150 or Dodge RAM loaded with options and costing $45-50 would suffice. For $70K I'd want a luxury SUV and no amount of options would make F150 come even close to X5 or Q7 when it comes to comfort, safety, performance, and handling. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1389505-tesla-cybertruck/page/2/#findComment-598502907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted November 30, 2019 Author Share Posted November 30, 2019 On 29/11/2019 at 15:58, firey said: See, for 70K I'd rather buy an F150 Lariat or Raptor. Expand $39,990 (1-motor 2WD) and $49,990 (2-motor AWD) are also options. Just sayin' Jazmac 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1389505-tesla-cybertruck/page/2/#findComment-598502911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoochieMamma Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 On 30/11/2019 at 02:16, Peresvet said: A soccer mum car that does 0-60mph in 5 sec. Sure, sure. I suppose Porsche Cayenne is a soccer mum car too. Heck, how about Lamborghini Urus or Bentley Bentayga, or Rolls Royce Cullinan while we're at it - are these soccer mum cars too in your opinion? I'm genuinely curious. Expand Depends on where you live but I've seen cayennes at sporting fields here in the richer areas of Melbourne for sure. Yes, definitely. SUV = Soccer mum cars. They are for wives/mother's to pickup their kids from school and sports. Not for off road or work like the cybertruck is geared towards same as trucks/pickups/utes. Peresvet 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1389505-tesla-cybertruck/page/2/#findComment-598502929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peresvet Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 (edited) On 30/11/2019 at 07:40, HoochieMamma said: Not for off road or work like the cybertruck is geared towards same as trucks/pickups/utes. Expand When you say off-road, what kind of conditions do you talk about? Can you be a little more specific please? And what exactly do you think sets trucks and pickups apart from SUVs when it comes to their off-road capabilities? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1389505-tesla-cybertruck/page/2/#findComment-598502931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Raze Subscriber² Posted November 30, 2019 Subscriber² Share Posted November 30, 2019 On 29/11/2019 at 23:32, Jim K said: ... doesn't change the fact that the first video was pointless and not at all about torque. I don't get all googly-eyed over dumb things like this (same with the electric F-150 pulling a 1M pound train)...it's just stupid. Tesla pitting an AWD vehicle against a 2-wheel drive vehicle wasn't fair ... and they knew it. The "rematch" is pointless as well ... especially if they don't at least opt for the F-250 4x4 (which puts it around the same weight/price category ... and the 250 can tow up to 15k pounds). Though, in the end it isn't a "real-world" test....well, maybe if you live in Alabama or Mississippi...LOL. It should be ... how much can a haul and/or tow ... and how far. I see the default ranges on the Tesla ... what are they under load? Expand Some info about the video - Why Tesla's Cybertruck Tug-of-War Against a Ford F-150 Proves Nothing https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/why-teslas-cybertruck-tug-of-war-against-a-ford-f-150-proves-nothing/ar-BBXnkEZ Jim K 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1389505-tesla-cybertruck/page/2/#findComment-598502980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
firey Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 On 30/11/2019 at 03:55, DocM said: $39,990 (1-motor 2WD) and $49,990 (2-motor AWD) are also options. Just sayin' Expand Living in Alberta the 50k (usd) version would be the required one due to the weather we get. Convert that 50k to CAD and you are looking at ~66K Cad. On 30/11/2019 at 02:35, Peresvet said: If I needed a truck, as in actually use it for what it's been designed for, then "a normal" F150 or Dodge RAM loaded with options and costing $45-50 would suffice. For $70K I'd want a luxury SUV and no amount of options would make F150 come even close to X5 or Q7 when it comes to comfort, safety, performance, and handling. Expand All depends on what you want to drive. I personally would drive a fancy truck over a fancy SUV. My girlfriend would drive a fancy SUV. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1389505-tesla-cybertruck/page/2/#findComment-598503035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfish Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 On 25/11/2019 at 00:51, DocM said: It's a friggin post-apocalyptic tank Expand On 25/11/2019 at 03:31, virtorio said: Looks like something from a low budget futuristic sci-fi movie from the 80's. So I like it. Expand Looks like a design NASA would create for a lunar vehicle meant to move payloads, where looks are less of a concern than utility. Not sure I'm a fan of the looks, but that's not the main point. Got to love Elon's attempt to spin the looks as a positive though, with lasers and fireballs. On the other hand, in some cases, cars these days are becoming overcontoured with all sorts of indents and bevels, and in most cases they're a crutch in the design, because they would look like sh-t if you flattened the surfaces. DocM 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1389505-tesla-cybertruck/page/2/#findComment-598503037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoochieMamma Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 On 30/11/2019 at 08:04, Peresvet said: When you say off-road, what kind of conditions do you talk about? Can you be a little more specific please? And what exactly do you think sets trucks and pickups apart from SUVs when it comes to their off-road capabilities? Expand I don't get why you don't understand this, off road = not standard city roads like all SUVs are geared towards. Go bring a Cayenne out to the the woods, see how far you get. Dick Montage, DocM and Peresvet 2 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1389505-tesla-cybertruck/page/2/#findComment-598503052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted December 2, 2019 Author Share Posted December 2, 2019 (edited) On 30/11/2019 at 08:04, Peresvet said: When you say off-road, what kind of conditions do you talk about? Can you be a little more specific please? Expand Off-roads; traveling on fire trails to hunting/fishing areas. There are also off-roading trails where people drive cross-country for fun. Also off-road rallies and other activities. Quote And what exactly do you think sets trucks and pickups apart from SUVs when it comes to their off-road capabilities? Expand First, the numbers; 2018 US/ vehicle sales, Pickups & vans: 20% SUV: 48% Cars & CUV (Crossover SUV): 38% Difference between an SUV and Crossover SUV? SUV: a truck with a modernized, and larger, station wagon body. Crossover: a car with an modernized, and larger, station wagon body. Either can have 4WD and off-road features, but the trucks are heavier duty. Uses: hauling families and "stuff." When we were re-doing the kitchen we hauled everything from cabinets to flooring and wallboard. Then we hauled the debris to be recycled. It's sometimes a matter of climate. From roughly Buffalo NY west to the Mountain states we can get buried in snow and ice "regular" cars have difficulty with. Northern MI may get 8+ meter snow accumulations, and after a cold winter it may take months to melt. Edited December 2, 2019 by DocM HoochieMamma 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1389505-tesla-cybertruck/page/2/#findComment-598503122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
astropheed Veteran Posted December 2, 2019 Veteran Share Posted December 2, 2019 It looks awesome. I'm very glad they decided to actually make the 80's movies future become real life. If I had the money I'd buy one immediately, anyone who hated on it would not be allowed inside of it. This is the future I want. DocM 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1389505-tesla-cybertruck/page/2/#findComment-598503132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted December 2, 2019 Author Share Posted December 2, 2019 Ford F-350 with a 3,000 lb load, Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1389505-tesla-cybertruck/page/2/#findComment-598503133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim K Global Moderator Posted December 2, 2019 Global Moderator Share Posted December 2, 2019 On 02/12/2019 at 03:23, DocM said: Ford F-350 with a 3,000 lb load, Expand Should also be noted that the video features a 3rd generation F-350 (that is either a 2011 or a 2012 model). The 4th generation (2017) came with a new frame, body, etc. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1389505-tesla-cybertruck/page/2/#findComment-598503135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peresvet Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 (edited) On 01/12/2019 at 11:00, HoochieMamma said: I don't get why you don't understand this, off road = not standard city roads like all SUVs are geared towards. Go bring a Cayenne out to the the woods, see how far you get. Expand Since you haven't answered any of my questions for the second time, I now understand that you know precisely nothing about the off-road capabilities of a vehicle. And for the record, F150 will be stuck in those woods just the same and not too from Cayenne....or Tesla Cybertruck. HoochieMamma and Dick Montage 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1389505-tesla-cybertruck/page/2/#findComment-598503140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peresvet Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 On 02/12/2019 at 00:32, DocM said: Difference between an SUV and Crossover SUV? SUV: a truck with a modernized, and larger, station wagon body. Crossover: a car with an modernized, and larger, station wagon body. Either can have 4WD and off-road features, but the trucks are heavier duty. Expand So the trucks are better at off-road because they have "off-road features" and "are heavier duty". BRILLIANT!!! 🤣🤣🤣 Dick Montage, HoochieMamma and DocM 3 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1389505-tesla-cybertruck/page/2/#findComment-598503141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoochieMamma Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 (edited) I honestly cannot be bothered anymore mate. Go buy your BMW/Q4 Cayenne and rolls royce and go do some 4x4/off road with them and maybe even bring some building supplies to a work site. You'll look like a complete idiot. hahaha DocM 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1389505-tesla-cybertruck/page/2/#findComment-598503142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peresvet Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 (edited) On 02/12/2019 at 07:00, HoochieMamma said: I honestly cannot be bothered anymore mate. Expand I'm not your mate. Quote You'll look like a complete idiot. hahaha Expand I'll do as I please, thank you very much. And what I may look like to others is never my concern. Dick Montage 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1389505-tesla-cybertruck/page/2/#findComment-598503145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted December 2, 2019 Author Share Posted December 2, 2019 On 02/12/2019 at 06:53, Peresvet said: So the trucks are better at off-road because they have "off-road features" and "are heavier duty". BRILLIANT!!! 🤣🤣🤣 Expand One last try, staying in the Ford family; Explorer (SUV) and F-150 (Pickup.) Explorer wheelbase: 119.1" F-150 wheelbase: 122" - 163″ Explorer track: 66.9" F-150 track: 67.6" - 73.9″ In short, the truck has a larger footprint. Also, for going over obstacles like a ridge, Explorer Approach angle: 20.1° Departure angle: 22° Break over angle: 17.1° - 17.7° Clearance: 7.9" - 8.3" F-150 Approach angle: 24.1° - 25.5° Departure angle: 23.8° - 26.4° Break over angle: 18.3° - 21.0° Clearance: 8.4" - 9.4" More is usually better for off-road, Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1389505-tesla-cybertruck/page/2/#findComment-598503164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoochieMamma Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 On 02/12/2019 at 10:00, DocM said: snip Expand You're wasting your time, man. He wants to go bring soccer mum Cayennes out on work sites loaded with concrete and timber and when camping lol. Makes perfect sense to compare the 2. Might as well bring a micra off road too while we're at it. DocM 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1389505-tesla-cybertruck/page/2/#findComment-598503167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 On 02/12/2019 at 07:08, Peresvet said: And what I may look like to others is never my concern. Expand We can tell. DocM, Dick Montage and HoochieMamma 2 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1389505-tesla-cybertruck/page/2/#findComment-598503202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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