Kenosha Shooting: 17-Year-Old Kyle Rittenhouse Arrested In Connection With Shooting That Left 2 Dead, 1 Wounded

[DocM]

On 12/11/2021 at 01:06, FloatingFatMan said:

You might have the right (that you gave yourselves), but time has shown that many of you don't have the intelligence to exercise that right in a responsible way. 

 

News flash: gangsters don't obey the law. Any law, including gun laws.

 

US Dept. of Justice: "the percentage of homicides caused by firearms during the commission of a felony rose from about 60 percent to about 74 percent from 1980 to 2005."

 

On 12/11/2021 at 01:06, FloatingFatMan said:

And no, waving a rifle/shotgun/handgun around in the air during highly charged events is NOT responsible, period.

 

You are describing brandisment.

 

Testimony presented at trial by photojournalists, and their images, document that KR was carrying his weapon muzzle-down with proper trigger control (finger along the weapon) until he was accosted. 

 

This is not brandisment, it's a well trained young man carrying a weapon safely,

 

Not the best moment for prosecutors as they were caught flat-footed. They'd filed the charges before images and video had been analyzed, and professional analysts bolstered KR's case.

 

This is why I think the prosecutor actually wants a mistrial: it'd be a Mulligan.

 

 

 

Edited November 12, 2021 by DocM

[FloatingFatMan]

On 12/11/2021 at 20:05, DocM said:

Testimony presented at trial by photojournalists, and their images, document that KR was carrying his weapon muzzle-down with proper trigger control (finger along the weapon) until he was accosted. 

 

This is not brandisment, it's a well trained young man carrying a weapon safely,

 

Not the best moment for prosecutors as they were caught flat-footed. They'd filed the charges before images and video had been analyzed, and professional analysts bolstered KR's case.

Anyone notice that the self-admitted gun nuts are failing to mention the UNARMED people Rittenhouse shot, and instead focus on the one armed person... Funny that...

[Sun-Tzu]

What do you get when you have a 17 yr old kid with a rifle, and 3 felons chasing him with various weaponry, to include firearms... 2 dead, and one who will probably be left handed for the rest of his life.

 

Why don't we examine the actions of those who got killed or shot? Why don't we examine their responsibility in all of this? mess with the bull, you get the horn. I feel no pity for those guys that got killed.

 

On 12/11/2021 at 12:52, FloatingFatMan said:

Anyone notice that the self-admitted gun nuts are failing to mention the UNARMED people Rittenhouse shot, and instead focus on the one armed person... Funny that...

Unarmed? really? I have one picture with this guys bicep exposed and most of it missing

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[Emn1ty]

On 12/11/2021 at 12:52, FloatingFatMan said:

Anyone notice that the self-admitted gun nuts are failing to mention the UNARMED people Rittenhouse shot, and instead focus on the one armed person... Funny that...

I mean that's likely because that's the main content that's been covered so far. The other details haven't been deeply discussed yet as a part of the case.

 

That said, one of them physically assaulted Rittenhouse, which is justification for self defense. Now, if it can be proved that this person was trying to prevent further harm as a result of the first shooting then that changes the context. I've not been following the case too closely, but that second exchange will depend heavily on if the first person shot can be proven to have given Rittenhouse a reason to defend himself or not.

 

Unarmed does not mean not a threat. A skateboard may as well be a club or a baton and can cause mortal injury. And people can wrestle firearms out of your hands and use them against you. "Unarmed" is a stupid word used to imply a lack of a threat. People don't need to be armed to hurt or kill you.

[FloatingFatMan]

On 12/11/2021 at 21:03, Sun-Tzu said:

Unarmed? really? I have one picture with this guys bicep exposed and most of it missing

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That's not what I said.  Perhaps you should work on your reading comprehension?

[DocM]

On 12/11/2021 at 15:52, FloatingFatMan said:

Anyone notice that the self-admitted gun nuts are failing to mention the UNARMED people Rittenhouse shot, and instead focus on the one armed person... Funny that...

 

Is a baseball bat a lethal weapon if used as that way? Yes. Same with most any other object it can be used as a melee weapon.

 

are fists, feet etc. lethal weapons?  Yes, if used that way. Some places require martial artists to register. People beat others to death all the time.

 

One "unarmed man" kicked KR  in the face (fractured neck or brain bleed risk), another attacked him with a skateboard (a lethal melee weapon if used that way; skull fracture, etc.), and another was 2.5-3 times his size and chasing him into a blind parking area (risk of bludgeoning).

 

These could all cause the "great bodily harm" required by self-defense claims.

Edited November 12, 2021 by DocM

[Sun-Tzu]

On 12/11/2021 at 12:52, FloatingFatMan said:

Anyone notice that the self-admitted gun nuts are failing to mention the UNARMED people Rittenhouse shot, and instead focus on the one armed person... Funny that...

[Astra.Xtreme]

Unsurprising to nobody, hundreds of national guard soldiers are on their way to attempt to protect Kenosha from the BLM and Antifa rioters.  No matter the ruling, those people will surely be there to terrorize the area. 
At least the governor is doing something this time..

[Sun-Tzu]

Breaking from Disclose.tv on GAB.

 

[Sun-Tzu]

I have a question. Why is everyone jumping on this kid, 17 years old, who was watching over peoples businesses

But nobody is holding the felons, one with a known firearm himself, nobody is talking about THEIR part in all of this?

 

Is it rules for thee, and not for me? Why ARE felons running rampant anyway in Kenosha?

 

This kid is going to walk I'm certain.

[Sun-Tzu]

This kid can sue EVERYONE all the way up to Biden

https://news.yahoo.com/kyle-rittenhouses-mom-says-biden-103745693.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJHiK4LarS-A-nNLRNfHTigupLRgbVKL2_IQS5Ky75at7OgqnpniKyiQscBrZk78L-QftYehnggDR66s9pzzYTzQDK3j3fvo1Ch48JwlWjaIYiwl92HY2DEXPYpRzEaH3IWsvpQ4f-DAC6fcf2Q9DsD3OcMtI7Igy-QdtFoiJVC0

Kyle Rittenhouse's mom says Biden 'defamed' her son by suggesting he was a white supremacist

 

and then there are those who tried to support Rittenhouse's defense. they lost their jobs

 

 

[Sun-Tzu]

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/breaking-exclusive-potential-witness-tampering-gaige-grosskreutz-felon-aimed-gun-kyle-rittenhouse-two-prior-charges-dismissed-prosecutors-days-trial/?utm_source=Gab&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

EXCLUSIVE: Potential Witness Tampering as Gaige Grosskreutz, the Felon Who Aimed His Gun at Kyle Rittenhouse, Had Two Prior Charges Dismissed by Prosecutors Only Days Before Trial

 

Suspected witness tampering is uncovered in the Kyle Rittenhouse case as star witness Gaige Grosskreutz, who aimed his gun at Rittenhouse, had charges dropped by the prosecutor only days before being a witness in the case.

[Sun-Tzu]

The Constitution for the United States of America is the law of the land. it CANNOT be superceded..

 

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/5/137/

Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. 137 (1803)

Congress does not have the power to pass laws that override the Constitution, such as by expanding the scope of the Supreme Court’s original jurisdiction.

 

So.. this goes without saying... ALL of the laws passed whereby they violate the Constitution (all of them), are null and void. Laws canNOT be created to supersede or override the Constitution. Period.

 

and... https://www.justice.gov/crt/deprivation-rights-under-color-law , DEPRIVATION OF RIGHTS UNDER COLOR OF LAW

and what is the punishment for deprivation of his rights?

The offense is punishable by a range of imprisonment up to a life term, or the death penalty, depending upon the circumstances of the crime, and the resulting injury, if any.

 

We're also looking at Jury Tampering... https://criminallaw.com/categories/federal-crimes/jury-tampering , JURY TAMPERING   (Think Floyds nephew who threatened jury)

 

https://thepostmillennial.com/floyds-nephew-threatens-jurors

WATCH: George Floyd's nephew THREATENS jurors in Rittenhouse case

Cortez Rice, the nephew of the now-deceased George Floyd, had a chilling and threatening message for jurors currently sitting at the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse.

 

And then the witness tampering... https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1512 ,18 U.S. Code § 1512 - Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant

 

Also https://survivalmagazine.org/news/breaking-exclusive-potential-witness-tampering-as-gaige-grosskreutz-the-felon-who-aimed-his-gun-at-kyle-rittenhouse-had-two-prior-charges-dismissed-by-prosecutors-only-days-before-trial/ , BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: Potential Witness Tampering as Gaige Grosskreutz, the Felon Who Aimed His Gun at Kyle Rittenhouse, Had Two Prior Charges Dismissed by Prosecutors Only Days Before Trial

 

***more information pertinent to this thread,  The Constitution for the United States of America ... http://www.gemworld.com/USAvsUS.htm 

Edited November 14, 2021 by Sun-Tzu

[Sun-Tzu]

https://gab.com/White__Rabbit/posts/107272880390105923

[ThaCrip]

It's obvious the left (especially those in the media) just want Kyle R to burn because he's affiliated with those on the right. it's really that simple. facts don't matter to godless leftists. it's obvious he's[Kyle R] innocent for anyone who's honest as there is thing called 'self-defense' but for many on the left nowadays that should not apply to conservatives. it's sad society had become like this where people (typically those on the left) want to ruin anyone, justified or not, for not siding with them politically.

 

because when someone is potentially going to jail for a long time you better do your best to be honest about the situation regardless of ones personal politics, otherwise your just a bad person who should be no where near a jury etc if your that type who basically says someone is guilty if they are not inline with your own politics. with that said, I get we all have our biases to a degree, but after a certain point people get blinded by their hate and can't think rationally anymore and could potentially convict a innocent person, or even go a bit too far with punishment on that person etc.

 

p.s. but I think it's sort of like Dan Bongino said, where he said something to this effect... 'conservatives see liberals as people with bad ideas where as liberals see conservatives as bad people'. which probably sums up their hate for those on the right, especially those in positions of power in the media/politics etc.

[kcbworth]

On 13/11/2021 at 07:03, Sun-Tzu said:

Unarmed? really? I have one picture with this guys bicep exposed and most of it missing

Yet he STILL didnt kill Rittenhouse like Rittenhouse did to the other guys with a plastic bag and a skateboard.

 

The "thug" with a gun, who was actually SHOT didnt even kill the shooter (which according to so many here he would have been well entitled to in self defence) yet the guy who killed people is a hero

[kcbworth]

On 13/11/2021 at 07:09, DocM said:

One "unarmed man" kicked KR  in the face (fractured neck or brain bleed risk), another attacked him with a skateboard (a lethal melee weapon if used that way; skull fracture, etc.), and another was 2.5-3 times his size and chasing him into a blind parking area (risk of bludgeoning).

You mean those guys that didnt kill Rittenhouse, that Rittenhouse did kill. Gotcha

 

The guy justified in shooting people didnt even walk away with a scratch ffs. They are dead

On 13/11/2021 at 09:54, Sun-Tzu said:

I have a question. Why is everyone jumping on this kid, 17 years old, who was watching over peoples businesses

But nobody is holding the felons, one with a known firearm himself, nobody is talking about THEIR part in all of this?

How many people did they kill?

How many people did he kill?

 

I think that's your answer

[kcbworth]

On 14/11/2021 at 18:58, ThaCrip said:

it's obvious he's[Kyle R] innocent for anyone who's honest as there is thing called 'self-defense'

Even if he gets off in court, if significant numbers of people are happy living in a society where people who kill people dont even cop a scratch, while the people he murders are laid to rest, then I dont think there's any hope

[spaceelf]

Jesus these people sound like idiots.  If you can't even understand the basic technology used every day to show images maybe you should retire.

 

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-judge-disallows-ipad-pinch-to-zoom-read-the-bizarre-transcript/

 

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Schroeder prevented Binger from pinching and zooming after Rittenhouse's defense attorney Mark Richards claimed that when a user zooms in on a video, "Apple's iPad programming creat[es] what it thinks is there, not what necessarily is there." Richards provided no evidence for this claim and admitted that he doesn't understand how the pinch-to-zoom feature works, but the judge decided the burden was on the prosecution to prove that zooming in doesn't add new images into the video.

 

[DocM]

On 14/11/2021 at 12:32, kcbworth said:

Yet he STILL didnt kill Rittenhouse like Rittenhouse did to the other guys with a plastic bag and a skateboard.

 

The "thug" with a gun, who was actually SHOT didnt even kill the shooter (which according to so many here he would have been well entitled to in self defence) yet the guy who killed people is a hero

 

AKA: the survivor.  In case you aren't aware, that's the end goal of self defense.

 

When the others made their  decision to attack KR they accepted the risk of forefiting their survival. 

Edited November 14, 2021 by DocM

[kcbworth]

On 15/11/2021 at 03:58, DocM said:

When the others made their  decision to attack KR they accepted the risk of forefiting their survival

Zero sum man posts again

[DocM]

On 14/11/2021 at 13:10, kcbworth said:

Zero sum man posts again

 

No, that's the Stand Your Ground (SYG) law in (last count) 38 States, and even Puerto Rico.  

 

The Wisconsin SYG law has a Duty to Retreat, which KR satisfied -

 

For the first shooting he was being chased (retreating) into a blind parking area by Rosenblum  and only then turned to defend himself.  He had nowhere to go against a much larger man.

 

The others then chased him down before the other attacks, so he was again retreating. For the remainder of the incident he was grounded, incapable of retreat. 

 

Huber swings his skateboard (legally, now a melee weapon) and is shot. 

 

A very short time after  Grosskreutz approaches KR, pointing an illegally possessed  Glock at him. Rittenhouse shoots him in the arm, ending his threat without taking a kill shot.

 

Also,

 

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2021-10-28/legal-experts-see-strong-self-defense-claim-for-rittenhouse

 

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The defense also wants to introduce evidence that police handed water to Rittenhouse and other rifle-carrying citizens, and said, “We appreciate you guys, we really do." They argue that the friendly greeting contributed to Rittenhouse thinking there was nothing wrong with his presence on the streets that night — and that it undermines any argument that he acted recklessly.

 

Edited November 14, 2021 by DocM

[Emn1ty]

On 14/11/2021 at 09:38, kcbworth said:

Even if he gets off in court, if significant numbers of people are happy living in a society where people who kill people dont even cop a scratch, while the people he murders are laid to rest, then I dont think there's any hope

This is an incredibly black and white way of looking at things. Do I believe that Rittenhouse overreacted with the use of his firearm? Yes. Do I think he was out there murdering people in cold blood? I'm not so sure given the case so far. You seem to have completely ignored the evidence and testimony so far in the case. It's as if you don't care about the circumstances, just that because people died the person doing the killing is automatically a murderer.

[margrave]

A 17 year old kid had no business being there with a weapon

[SierraSonic]

I tend to not trust the reasons Kyle was there for when he admitted on video he wanted to "shoot" "criminals".

 

Textbook execution of and via self defense is something that can be premeditated. His reason for going across state lines, to police the area as vigilante is a great basis for finding trouble and being able to handle it. Why else would he break the law multiple times to go to a dangerous area, only because he had the gun to make him feel safe enough to go. When I applied for my foid and my ccl, The most important thing they told me is don't go somewhere dangerous only because you feel safe because your armed. That's you putting yourself on a path to use it. His proper use of self defense doesn't outweigh why I feel he was there in the first place. Seeing as intent is hard to prove in court, I hope the new charges filed are more apt and what the jury agrees with. I don't think he deserves life in prison, but he should get a felony level charge, 4-10 years, loss of 2a and voting rights for a 10-15 year probation.

 

From his perspective all of them come off as self defense. From the perspective of victom 2 and 3, Kyle was an active shooter and it was self defense from those preventing further shootings. Unfortunately skateboard guy was out gunned, and victim 3 approached a armed subject without focusing his aim at a distance and telling Kyle to toss the weapon or be shot at the slightest twitch.

 

We have one case of unarmed assault resulting in death, one case of poorly armed self defense vs self defense, and one case of poor executed self defense vs self defense IMO.

 

Maximum penalties do not make sense, but getting off free shouldn't be a realistic option.