jnelsoninjax Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 So my current setup is a PoE camera mounted and facing the door (second PoE camera is on the other side of the home watching that side), and a WiFi camera facing towards the road but also sees the door. While monitoring the cameras via Blue Iris, I noticed that when someone walks up and opens the door and comes inside, I see it in almost real time on the WiFi, but there is about a second delay on the PoE, which to me I would of have thought it would be the other way around (lag via WiFi) In both cases the physical distance from camera to router is ~30 ft, I have 50 ft of Ethernet cable running to the PoE camera not that I expect that would make any difference. Is the lag simply due to the camera? I.E. do the 'higher' end cameras have zero lag, or is the issue something more simple? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1408760-visible-lag-on-security-camera/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circaflex Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 Are they both recording/running at the same FPS? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1408760-visible-lag-on-security-camera/#findComment-598651074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnelsoninjax Posted June 12, 2021 Author Share Posted June 12, 2021 19 minutes ago, Circaflex said: Are they both recording/running at the same FPS? I doubt it, the WiFi is a 1080p and the PoE are listed as 5MP Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1408760-visible-lag-on-security-camera/#findComment-598651080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 What are the models of the cameras? Not all camera are created equally. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1408760-visible-lag-on-security-camera/#findComment-598651094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnelsoninjax Posted June 12, 2021 Author Share Posted June 12, 2021 55 minutes ago, adrynalyne said: What are the models of the cameras? Not all camera are created equally. The PoE are Reolink RLC-410 the WiFi is AMICCOM Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1408760-visible-lag-on-security-camera/#findComment-598651099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+BudMan MVC Posted June 12, 2021 MVC Share Posted June 12, 2021 >Not all camera are created equally. Very true.. If you pull stream direct from IP of camera how is that, still delay? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1408760-visible-lag-on-security-camera/#findComment-598651125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnelsoninjax Posted June 12, 2021 Author Share Posted June 12, 2021 53 minutes ago, BudMan said: >Not all camera are created equally. Very true.. If you pull stream direct from IP of camera how is that, still delay? Just tried to access via the IP directly, got a network timed out error when trying to connect. But since I posted this, I have noticed that I was looking at the wrong camera (I have 3 on the screen) and I thought that the one with the lag was the PoE, but it was the WiFi one in reality. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1408760-visible-lag-on-security-camera/#findComment-598651138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+BudMan MVC Posted June 12, 2021 MVC Share Posted June 12, 2021 Just now, jnelsoninjax said: but it was the WiFi one in reality. haha - funny... Well that makes a bit more sense then.. A second seems like a lot for a real time video chat, but in the big picture if a security camera your just using to check what happened or if someone stole your package or something. Or who is at the door its prob not a show stopper Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1408760-visible-lag-on-security-camera/#findComment-598651140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindovermaster Global Moderator Posted June 12, 2021 Global Moderator Share Posted June 12, 2021 There's your answer, bro 😛 jnelsoninjax 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1408760-visible-lag-on-security-camera/#findComment-598651141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
neufuse Veteran Posted June 12, 2021 Veteran Share Posted June 12, 2021 4 hours ago, jnelsoninjax said: The PoE are Reolink RLC-410 the WiFi is AMICCOM yikes $40 PoE cameras? I have ~$400 camera's and you still get a 1-2 second delay a lot of it is encoding of the video, sometimes it buffers it to internal memory to prevent stream jerking. Mine have a setting that says buffer video 1 to 3 seconds (its a choice) to prevent jitter in video streams Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1408760-visible-lag-on-security-camera/#findComment-598651142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnelsoninjax Posted June 12, 2021 Author Share Posted June 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, BudMan said: haha - funny... Well that makes a bit more sense then.. A second seems like a lot for a real time video chat, but in the big picture if a security camera your just using to check what happened or if someone stole your package or something. Or who is at the door its prob not a show stopper It's not a show stopper, but rather something I noticed. 1 minute ago, neufuse said: yikes $40 PoE cameras? I have ~$400 camera's and you still get a 1-2 second delay a lot of it is encoding of the video, sometimes it buffers it to internal memory to prevent stream jerking. Mine have a setting that says buffer video 1 to 3 seconds (its a choice) to prevent jitter in video streams They work for what I need them for, I wasn't looking to shell out lots of money for them, the only thing I would have liked is PTZ, but oh well. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1408760-visible-lag-on-security-camera/#findComment-598651143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+BudMan MVC Posted June 12, 2021 MVC Share Posted June 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, jnelsoninjax said: I would have liked is PTZ For $40.. You could get the wyze ptz in that price range https://wyze.com/wyze-cam-pan.html#pageOverview But they are not rated for outdoor use, and not poe - but they are cheap Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1408760-visible-lag-on-security-camera/#findComment-598651145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnelsoninjax Posted June 12, 2021 Author Share Posted June 12, 2021 24 minutes ago, BudMan said: For $40.. You could get the wyze ptz in that price range https://wyze.com/wyze-cam-pan.html#pageOverview But they are not rated for outdoor use, and not poe - but they are cheap Sure, but I need outdoor rated cameras... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1408760-visible-lag-on-security-camera/#findComment-598651146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaceelf Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 25 minutes ago, BudMan said: For $40.. You could get the wyze ptz in that price range https://wyze.com/wyze-cam-pan.html#pageOverview But they are not rated for outdoor use, and not poe - but they are cheap yeah its a little more expensive but https://wyze.com/wyze-cam-outdoor.html Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1408760-visible-lag-on-security-camera/#findComment-598651147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+BudMan MVC Posted June 14, 2021 MVC Share Posted June 14, 2021 ^ that doesn't do PTZ A poe outdoor rated that does PTZ for $40 would be like finding a unicorn Sikh 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1408760-visible-lag-on-security-camera/#findComment-598651413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaceelf Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 6 hours ago, BudMan said: ^ that doesn't do PTZ A poe outdoor rated that does PTZ for $40 would be like finding a unicorn Fair enough. I just picked one of these up since we're not always on the side of the house that vehicles come to/past. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1408760-visible-lag-on-security-camera/#findComment-598651508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnelsoninjax Posted June 15, 2021 Author Share Posted June 15, 2021 OK, so I have determined that the lag is not from the camera as I can be monitoring them via the cell phone app and everything is in real time. So that means that the lag I am seeing is a result of the monitoring software. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1408760-visible-lag-on-security-camera/#findComment-598651626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnelsoninjax Posted July 10, 2021 Author Share Posted July 10, 2021 Funny thing I noticed last week when I was at Costco. They have a monitor right above the exit, and while I was waiting to leave, I watched someone walk out in person, then a few seconds later I saw them on the monitor. So I'm guessing that there is no 'real time' monitoring, there will always be a delay of a few seconds. Am I guessing correctly? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1408760-visible-lag-on-security-camera/#findComment-598659791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikh Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, jnelsoninjax said: Funny thing I noticed last week when I was at Costco. They have a monitor right above the exit, and while I was waiting to leave, I watched someone walk out in person, then a few seconds later I saw them on the monitor. So I'm guessing that there is no 'real time' monitoring, there will always be a delay of a few seconds. Am I guessing correctly? Yes, neufuse even pointed this out above. It's going to be almost impossible to get real time cause of encoding, expected buffering, etc jnelsoninjax 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1408760-visible-lag-on-security-camera/#findComment-598659794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+BudMan MVC Posted July 10, 2021 MVC Share Posted July 10, 2021 If you want no delay you would need to be using RTSP.. Does your camera support that? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1408760-visible-lag-on-security-camera/#findComment-598659804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnelsoninjax Posted July 10, 2021 Author Share Posted July 10, 2021 7 hours ago, BudMan said: If you want no delay you would need to be using RTSP.. Does your camera support that? Yes, the PoE's are being accessed via RTSP Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1408760-visible-lag-on-security-camera/#findComment-598659845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+BudMan MVC Posted July 10, 2021 MVC Share Posted July 10, 2021 Well you shouldn't be seeing such a delay then. But if you google rtsp delay you will find some issues with some camera's and some software, etc.. But the protocol is designed to be as lag free as possible.. And this is your best hope for min delay between what is actually happening and what is presented on your screen. If you just hit the camera via say vlc and the rtsp stream - what is the delay? You can google for instructions on how to do that I am sure. What does the camera spec say for its delay? Should be a few frames.. Or it could just be a ###### camera? You should be a few 100ms you would hope.. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1408760-visible-lag-on-security-camera/#findComment-598659852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnelsoninjax Posted July 10, 2021 Author Share Posted July 10, 2021 1 hour ago, BudMan said: Well you shouldn't be seeing such a delay then. But if you google rtsp delay you will find some issues with some camera's and some software, etc.. But the protocol is designed to be as lag free as possible.. And this is your best hope for min delay between what is actually happening and what is presented on your screen. If you just hit the camera via say vlc and the rtsp stream - what is the delay? You can google for instructions on how to do that I am sure. What does the camera spec say for its delay? Should be a few frames.. Or it could just be a ###### camera? You should be a few 100ms you would hope.. I downloaded VLC and opened the camera in it (RTSP) I'll have to wait and see the next time someone goes outside to see if there is a delay. Do you know of any method for access the WiFi camera, it uses ONVIF, besides the software I am using? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1408760-visible-lag-on-security-camera/#findComment-598659861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+BudMan MVC Posted July 10, 2021 MVC Share Posted July 10, 2021 Simple crude way to measure how bad the latency is - do you a tablet you can put up a clock with MS? You would hope your under 1s (1000ms).. This assumes your tablet time and your pc time are in sync (ntp really helps).. Then have someone hold the tablet up while in the video.. Even if only shows seconds that should work for this crude test.. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1408760-visible-lag-on-security-camera/#findComment-598659863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnelsoninjax Posted July 11, 2021 Author Share Posted July 11, 2021 The lag is still there via VLC, apparently there were some setting that could be changed for the camera's, but those options are not there any longer . (This info comes from my brief searches online with the term 'reolink rlc-410 RTSP lag', most of what I was seeing was 3 or 4 years old, and things have changed since that point. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1408760-visible-lag-on-security-camera/#findComment-598659930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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