PsYcHoKiLLa Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 (edited) Just found out I won't be upgrading, the requirements include a TPM module (even if you don't plan on using Bitlocker). I'm still using my Asus Maximus VII Ranger which does not have a TPM module. It does have a slot for a TPM module but it's TPM-L 2.0 (20-1), NO-ONE sells the module anymore, the only ASUS ones that seem to exist now are TPM-M (14-1) If you want to check if you have a TPM module, run tpm.msc and good luck. Edited June 24, 2021 by PsYcHoKiLLa Tuskd 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409119-no-tpm-no-windows-11-for-you/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaceelf Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 A lot of modern CPUs support it in firmware, no chip needed. You'd just need to enable it in the UEFI. So running tpm.msc would only tell you if it's currently enabled, not if it's there at all. Nick H., philcruicks, +primortal and 4 others 7 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409119-no-tpm-no-windows-11-for-you/#findComment-598654614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrackerzod Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Apparently you can just delete "appraiserres.dll" from your installation source and it will get rid of the check. +Anarkii 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409119-no-tpm-no-windows-11-for-you/#findComment-598654619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven P. Administrators Posted June 24, 2021 Administrators Share Posted June 24, 2021 If you have a modern CPU (after Haswell, which is 4th gen) then you will most likely have it in your CPU. Most motherboard manufacturers have Trusted Computing turned off by default, this is my AORUS Z390 Pro WiFi board (which is 8th and 9th gen): The TPM Module has additional hardware based encryption for your Windows install and data on the harddisks. If you have a TPM Module, then you will have to clear TPM each time you want to clean install Windows on your system. (I am still learning how it all works). goretsky 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409119-no-tpm-no-windows-11-for-you/#findComment-598654798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenon Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 You have no idea how quickly I have come to hate the phrase "TPM" Arceles and Shakil Shahadat 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409119-no-tpm-no-windows-11-for-you/#findComment-598654806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, Xenon said: You have no idea how quickly I have come to hate the phrase "TPM" Better than TPS. ClearedForDuty and +Warwagon 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409119-no-tpm-no-windows-11-for-you/#findComment-598654807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenon Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 3 hours ago, PsYcHoKiLLa said: Just found out I won't be upgrading, the requirements include a TPM module (even if you don't plan on using Bitlocker). I'm still using my Asus Maximus VII Ranger which does not have a TPM module. It does have a slot for a TPM module but it's TPM-L 2.0 (20-1), NO-ONE sells the module anymore, the only ASUS ones that seem to exist now are TPM-M (14-1) If you want to check if you have a TPM module, run tpm.msc and good luck. I just bought a Asus TPM-M R2.0 module that is supposed to be TPM 2.0 from amazon (us) for $15. It is 14 pin. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DQQLH74/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409119-no-tpm-no-windows-11-for-you/#findComment-598654808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted June 24, 2021 MVC Share Posted June 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, Xenon said: You have no idea how quickly I have come to hate the phrase "TPM" nvm Xenon 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409119-no-tpm-no-windows-11-for-you/#findComment-598654809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gate1975mlm Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 (edited) My two desktops have a Intel i7-4790K which apparently have TPM 1.2. But Microsoft says you need TPM 2.0 so I guess I will not be able to upgrade the simple way? I guess I will need to install Windows from an ISO on a USB and remove the "appraiserres.dll" entry? If I do it this way will my copy of Windows 11 still activate using my Windows 10 key? Unless you have a very modern PC this is really going to make a lot of users upset having to go the extra mile getting Windows 11 installed Why Microsoft why?????????????? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409119-no-tpm-no-windows-11-for-you/#findComment-598654813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
corrosive23 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, Xenon said: I just bought a Asus TPM-M R2.0 module that is supposed to be TPM 2.0 from amazon (us) for $15. It is 14 pin. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DQQLH74/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Or you could have saved the money and used the BUILT IN TPM that ALL moderns processors already have. -T- 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409119-no-tpm-no-windows-11-for-you/#findComment-598654814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven P. Administrators Posted June 24, 2021 Administrators Share Posted June 24, 2021 1 minute ago, corrosive23 said: Or you could have saved the money and used the BUILT IN TPM that ALL moderns processors already have. A module also offers far more protections for security minded individuals. hagjohn and -T- 1 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409119-no-tpm-no-windows-11-for-you/#findComment-598654818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ve7878 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 The weird thing is that the tool says that my computer isn't compatible yet I can't really think of any reason why that would be the case. AMD Ryzen 5 1600X AMD Vega 56 MSI Pro VH A320 Plus The TPM is switched on, I've been using it since the day I built the PC for BitLocker so it's obviously working. UEFI and Secure boot is on so I don't really know what the issue is there. Of course the tool doesn't really give any useful information. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409119-no-tpm-no-windows-11-for-you/#findComment-598654820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Steven P. said: A module also offers far more protections for security minded individuals. In what manner? Honest question, this is the first I've heard of that. Just now, Vince800 said: The weird thing is that the tool says that my computer isn't compatible yet I can't really think of any reason why that would be the case. AMD Ryzen 5 1600X AMD Vega 56 MSI Pro VH A320 Plus The TPM is switched on, I've been using it since the day I built the PC for BitLocker so it's obviously working. UEFI and Secure boot is on so I don't really know what the issue is there. Of course the tool doesn't really give any useful information. Secure Boot disabled? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409119-no-tpm-no-windows-11-for-you/#findComment-598654822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted June 24, 2021 MVC Share Posted June 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Steven P. said: A module also offers far more protections for security minded individuals. I wonder if that DLL also removes checks for the DirectX 11 because I think in some cases you can upgrade the firmware to give you TPM 2.0 ... integrated graphics are going to be more of a bitch. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409119-no-tpm-no-windows-11-for-you/#findComment-598654824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ve7878 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 1 minute ago, adrynalyne said: In what manner? Honest question, this is the first I've heard of that. Secure Boot disabled? Nope. Definitely enabled. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409119-no-tpm-no-windows-11-for-you/#findComment-598654828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Just now, Vince800 said: Nope. Definitely enabled. 🤔 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409119-no-tpm-no-windows-11-for-you/#findComment-598654832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenon Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, corrosive23 said: Or you could have saved the money and used the BUILT IN TPM that ALL moderns processors already have. I am using a i7 7700k on asus prime z270-a I have cant find anything in my bios with tpm. You know a way please post it. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409119-no-tpm-no-windows-11-for-you/#findComment-598654833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ve7878 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 1 minute ago, adrynalyne said: 🤔 Yep, odd. I even double checked to verify. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409119-no-tpm-no-windows-11-for-you/#findComment-598654835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SidVicious Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, Xenon said: I am using a i7 7700k on asus prime z270-a I have cant find anything in my bios with tpm. You know a way please post it. Look for the PTT (Intel Platform Trust Technology) option. xrobwx71 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409119-no-tpm-no-windows-11-for-you/#findComment-598654838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenon Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Just now, SidVicious said: Look for the PTT (Intel Platform Trust Technology) option. Thanks I will check. Right now. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409119-no-tpm-no-windows-11-for-you/#findComment-598654839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven P. Administrators Posted June 24, 2021 Administrators Share Posted June 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, adrynalyne said: In what manner? Honest question, this is the first I've heard of that. Secure Boot disabled? I don't know, tell me why a motherboard would have a TPM 2.0 Module header if the board only supports CPUs where this is already built in? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409119-no-tpm-no-windows-11-for-you/#findComment-598654840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Just now, Steven P. said: I don't know, tell me why a motherboard would have a TPM 2.0 Module header if the board only supports CPUs where this is already built in? Legacy? In the event a CPU manufacturer decided to be an ass and not include it? Because not everyone knows it exists and they can suck more money from people? I don't know exactly why, but I don't see how it would be more secure. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409119-no-tpm-no-windows-11-for-you/#findComment-598654843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven P. Administrators Posted June 24, 2021 Administrators Share Posted June 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, adrynalyne said: Legacy? In the event a CPU manufacturer decided to be an ass and not include it? Because not everyone knows it exists and they can suck more money from people? I don't know exactly why, but I don't see how it would be more secure. DOUBLE TPM? (like Bacon Double Cheeseburger) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409119-no-tpm-no-windows-11-for-you/#findComment-598654847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 (edited) Just now, Steven P. said: DOUBLE TPM? (like Bacon Double cheeseburger) WHOA! That was almost a TRIPLE TPM! WHAT DOES IT MEAN? (let me know if the reference escapes you :p) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409119-no-tpm-no-windows-11-for-you/#findComment-598654850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoopZ Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Well no Windows 11 here too, my intel onboard graphics is only Direct 11 and I'm assuming I don't have TPM 2.0. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1409119-no-tpm-no-windows-11-for-you/#findComment-598654851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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