Robert F. Kennedy assasin Sirhan Sirhan paroled

[DocM]

No, just frackin' NO!!

 

 

 

Edited August 28, 2021 by Jim K
replaced invalid tweet w/ valid tweet

[adrynalyne]

Assassin. 

[FloatingFatMan]

On 28/08/2021 at 01:14, DocM said:

No, just frackin' NO!!

 

Why? What makes his crime any worse than any other murderer who gets paroled at the appropriate time?

[Steven P. Administrators]

On 28/08/2021 at 02:14, DocM said:

No, just frackin' NO!!

Looks like whatever tweet you embedded, it is now deleted. I find it odd that it is just a massive blank space in your post?

[Jim K Global Moderator]

On 28/08/2021 at 06:28, Steven P. said:

Looks like whatever tweet you embedded, it is now deleted. I find it odd that it is just a massive blank space in your post?

I edited his post and inserted a tweet to get rid of all that blank space.

 

Regarding the story ... oh well.  RFK's family seems supportive of the decision ... dude has been in prison for over 50 years and he's almost 80 ... so .. whatever.    

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Some additional info - https://www.npr.org/2021/08/27/1031507957/sirhan-sirhan-robert-f-kennedy-parole-hearing

[DocM]

On 28/08/2021 at 08:03, Jim K said:

I edited his post and inserted a tweet to get rid of all that blank space.

 

Regarding the story ... oh well.  RFK's family seems supportive of the decision ... dude has been in prison for over 50 years and he's almost 80 ... so .. whatever.    

 

Nope, read the NPR story - most of RFK's family is not supportive...

 

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But most of Robert Kennedy's nine surviving children oppose parole. A few hours after the hearing, six of them, including former Congressman Joseph P. Kennedy II, sent NPR a statement saying they were "devastated" by the parole recommendation.

 

 

[FloatingFatMan]

On 28/08/2021 at 21:54, DocM said:

 

Nope, read the NPR story - most of RFK's family is not supportive...

 

 

 

Well, y'know... It's pretty uncommon for the family of ANY murder victim to support parole for the murderer...

[Jim K Global Moderator]

On 28/08/2021 at 15:54, DocM said:

 

Nope, read the NPR story - most of RFK's family is not supportive...

 

 

 

Dang...just found out he had 11 kids.  😲

 

oh well, still don't really care.  

[DocM]

On 28/08/2021 at 17:00, FloatingFatMan said:

Well, y'know... It's pretty uncommon for the family of ANY murder victim to support parole for the murderer...

 

Not really surprised that CA allows parole for murder. Here in MI first degree murder is mandatory life without parole. 

[+Edouard Subscriber²]

On 29/08/2021 at 14:23, DocM said:

 

Not really surprised that CA allows parole for murder. Here in MI first degree murder is mandatory life without parole. 

Now the truth comes out. Your lack of class is on display once again for all to see.

 

This wasn't about the parole at all was it. It was just an opportunity for you to bash a Democratic state.

 

Yet again you show your lack of credibility. This site was better off when you were hiding under your rock after your orange messiah was disgraced by Biden.

 

If you want to have a legitimate conversation on parole matters perhaps keep out your political bias next time.

[DocM]

On 29/08/2021 at 00:31, Jumping Jacinta said:

Now the truth comes out. Your lack of class is on display once again for all to see.

 

This wasn't about the parole at all was it. It was just an opportunity for you to bash a Democratic state.

 

Not damning a Democratic state, there are really good ones, CA just is no longer one of them. That's why it's now losing businesses and population. 

[+Edouard Subscriber²]

On 29/08/2021 at 16:55, DocM said:

 

Not damning a Democratic state, there are really good ones, CA just is no longer one of them. That's why it's now losing businesses and population. 

Thank you for confirming your post wasn't about the parole but just a disingenuous attack on the Democratic state of California.

 

This is fascinating, I made strong claims against your character and intellectual honesty and you ignore that and focus on the political aspect of my reply.

 

Why didn't you defend your honor especially given you know my view is widely held in the political forums? This is bizarre, if my integrity was questioned as I have questioned yours my focus would be on defending my honor and not a claim of political bias.

[DocM]

On 29/08/2021 at 03:09, Jumping Jacinta said:

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This is fascinating, I made strong claims against your character and intellectual honesty and you ignore that and focus on the political aspect of my reply.

 

It was the only part worth responding to. The rest, not so much.

 

On 29/08/2021 at 03:09, Jumping Jacinta said:

Why didn't you defend your honor especially given you know my view is widely held in the political forums?

 

In this sites political forum.  In others things aren't so monochromatic, and the back 'n forth more interesting.  

 

On 29/08/2021 at 03:09, Jumping Jacinta said:

This is bizarre, if my integrity was questioned as I have questioned yours my focus would be on defending my honor and not a claim of political bias.

 

Apparently I have thicker skin than you. 

 

Edited August 29, 2021 by DocM

[techbeck]

On 28/08/2021 at 21:23, DocM said:

 

Not really surprised that CA allows parole for murder. Here in MI first degree murder is mandatory life without parole. 

Should be what all states do for convicted murders.  Like without parole.  Or just wipe them from this earth.

 

Also, there are a few states that let violent criminals out of jail for a number of reasons.  Overcrowding is a big one.  And there are states that protect illegal immigrates even if they are violent criminals. 

 

Anyway, if this guy learned his lesson, then ok.  Chances are he will have an even tougher time outside of jail anyway.   He is 77 now and does not have a lot of options outside of jail.  Wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't last to long on the outside.

[DocM]

On 02/09/2021 at 11:33, techbeck said:

Should be what all states do for convicted murders.  Like without parole.  Or just wipe them from this earth.

 

Also, there are a few states that let violent criminals out of jail for a number of reasons.  Overcrowding is a big one.  And there are states that protect illegal immigrates even if they are violent criminals. 

 

A current problem is recidivism among those released early due to CoVid-19 in the prisons. 

 

On 02/09/2021 at 11:33, techbeck said:

Anyway, if this guy learned his lesson, then ok.  Chances are he will have an even tougher time outside of jail anyway.   He is 77 now and does not have a lot of options outside of jail.  Wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't last to long on the outside.

 

No doubt about it, he could have a bull's-eye on his back. A name change and relocation is definitely in order.

 

[Steven P. Administrators]

On 02/09/2021 at 17:58, DocM said:

No doubt about it, he could have a bull's-eye on his back. A name change and relocation is definitely in order.

It wouldn't surprise me if he ended up on some "reality show" called "Keeping up with Sirhan Sirhan" or maybe he'll be on Dr Phil where he is forced to apologize to Americans? Or maybe Judge Judy will re-sentence him? Lotsa options! 😛 

[DocM]

On 02/09/2021 at 12:14, Steven P. said:

It wouldn't surprise me if he ended up on some "reality show" called "Keeping up with Sirhan Sirhan" or maybe he'll be on Dr Phil where he is forced to apologize to Americans? Or maybe Judge Judy will re-sentence him? Lotsa options! 😛 

 

More likely is the Feds will put him in the Witness Protection Program.  All kinds of people end up it; new Social Security numbers, jobs, etc., but it could be somewhere in in Nowhereville

[FloatingFatMan]

On 02/09/2021 at 16:58, DocM said:

A current problem is recidivism among those released early due to CoVid-19 in the prisons

That would be less of a problem if your penal system even tried to rehabilitate offenders and treated them like human beings whilst incarcerated instead of animals.

[Astra.Xtreme]

On 29/08/2021 at 02:09, Jumping Jacinta said:

Thank you for confirming your post wasn't about the parole but just a disingenuous attack on the Democratic state of California.

 

This is fascinating, I made strong claims against your character and intellectual honesty and you ignore that and focus on the political aspect of my reply.

 

Why didn't you defend your honor especially given you know my view is widely held in the political forums? This is bizarre, if my integrity was questioned as I have questioned yours my focus would be on defending my honor and not a claim of political bias.

Triggered, much?  Let's not forget that it was you that deflected the conversation to politics...  Perhaps you'd like to try discussing the topic at hand instead of whining about something irrelevant...
It doesn't matter what state this happened in.  The idea of letting loose a convicted murdered is certainly a debatable topic.  Some people should be allowed a second chance, but I don't think murders deserve that luxury.

[Astra.Xtreme]

On 02/09/2021 at 12:24, FloatingFatMan said:

That would be less of a problem if your penal system even tried to rehabilitate offenders and treated them like human beings whilst incarcerated instead of animals.

This is more of a cultural problem than a penal system problem.  People are given the opportunity to be rehabbed, get an education or job, and prove good behavior while in jail, but a large chunk of the incarcerated don't want that.  You can't force somebody to better themselves.

It's the residents that create the culture, not the house they live in.

[techbeck]

On 02/09/2021 at 10:24, FloatingFatMan said:

That would be less of a problem if your penal system even tried to rehabilitate offenders and treated them like human beings whilst incarcerated instead of animals.

System does try.  There are programs available but up to each person to take advantage of it. Many do but does not work for everyone.  And and do not want help. And then there is the problem of funding.  System is not perfect and always room for improvement. 

 

And the there is the issue of options available for people when they get out of prison.  Not many people want to give felons a chance.  But some do.  For example....my parents a few years ago stated helping out a guy who was released from jail.  He is in his late 40s and spent most of his time in prison.   He used to run drugs with his family and had a few other issues.  His mentality is like half his age since he has had not a lot of real world experience.  He has been staying at my parents house and is a pretty good guy.  Helps my dad out, goes to church, helps at the community center, and trying to finally  get his life back on track.  And so far, he is doing a good job.  But then he forgot to register as a sex offender (incident that happened in prison) right away and the system wanted to put him back in jail a year after he got out.   Even tho he had made good strides to do better, as lots do, a simple mistake could have sent him back.   And if it wasnt for people from church and those he worked with and helped out in the community, he would be back in jail right now.  They went to bat for him, wrote letters, and showed up in court to speak on his behalf.  And to be honest, I was weary of the guy at first and more concerned about my parents.    Like a lot of other people are  when it comes to criminals.  But I took the time to know the guy and gave him a chance.   Lots do not do this and criminals tend to fall back to their old habits to make ends meet and  that is what they know.

Edited September 2, 2021 by techbeck

[DocM]

On 02/09/2021 at 13:24, FloatingFatMan said:

That would be less of a problem if your penal system even tried to rehabilitate offenders and treated them like human beings whilst incarcerated instead of animals.

 

 Some people are just plain broke and can't be fixed. Even in "reform" prisons the recidivism rate is about 50%, so what do you say to those future victims and their families? 

[FloatingFatMan]

On 03/09/2021 at 04:37, DocM said:

 

 Some people are just plain broke and can't be fixed. Even in "reform" prisons the recidivism rate is about 50%, so what do you say to those future victims and their families? 

So you expect a perfect 100% success rate or not bother at all?  That explains much about you.

 

As for future victims etc, I don't play the what-if game.

[DocM]

On 03/09/2021 at 00:21, FloatingFatMan said:

So you expect a perfect 100% success rate or not bother at all?  That explains much about you.

 

No one said don't bother at all, but the fact is these are very dangerous people and the most heinous should not be released.  This is not a minority opinion in the US.

 

On 03/09/2021 at 00:21, FloatingFatMan said:

As for future victims etc, I don't play the what-if game.

 

"What If" is more than a party game, and victim's rights are taken seriously here. In all 50 states they can make a victim's impact statement to the court before sentencing.