CatnipOligarchy Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 why are you worried ?? Your atlanta team went to playoff like 12 times and only one once. Blew many times. With 12 times, you should win like 4-7 world series. i'm a baseball fan first, atlanta fan second. I think its awesome that i have the opportunity to live so close to a team that has success every year, and it would be much more awesome if they actually won it all every now and then. But i realize that there are other baseball towns that dont get this chance, and its not right. and back to the issue about homegrown talent... Last years notable homegrown players for Atlanta Rafael Furcal Chipper Jones Andruw Jones Javy Lopez Marcus Giles Vinny Castilla Mark Derosa Horacio Ramirez not a bad list there Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/141262-mlb-rumor/page/3/#findComment-1739783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
christracy Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 how many red sox players are home grown? as many as ny. more actually. garciaparra, nixon, varitek and lowe(traded bur reacquired the following year). Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/141262-mlb-rumor/page/3/#findComment-1739969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattmatik Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 Wonder what Boy George will do if the Yankees don't win it this year. I don't give him any credit at all; it all goes to Joe Torre because he's constantly dealt a team of egos and if they don't win, he has to answer the critics. George Steinbrenner does nothing for the game of baseball. Anyone who has the resources he does could throw money at players. Oh well, it's all about October. I could care less if they go 162-0, doesn't mean crap if they don't win the World Series. Same with the Lakers this year. :yes: All I have to say, coming from a Braves fan, is GO RED SOX! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/141262-mlb-rumor/page/3/#findComment-1739990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
schwarz2 Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 Yes I think there needs to be a salary cap implemented in baseball and this is coming from a die hard yankee fan. But everyone also needs to stop bitching about the yankees and start bitching to bud about the cap problem. Steinbrenner is just playing the system. He makes craploads of money and then spends it on the team which according to selig is fine - is that bad? He should probably just pocket all the money right? I am a yankee fan here, so I don't feel it necessary to spew my opinions on the arod deal. But whatever - all of you should be happy now because if the yanks don't win you can laugh in all our faces right? I'll miss soriano, but I'm glad that the red sox got screwed. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/141262-mlb-rumor/page/3/#findComment-1740060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 That was hilarious to watch Ben Affleck through a temper tantrum on TV about the Yanks getting A-Rod. I'm not a Boston or NY fan, but the Boston fans do tend to whine and cry a lot.....even though they gained LOTS of talent in the off season. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/141262-mlb-rumor/page/3/#findComment-1740655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 I wasn't a fan of Boston anyway :p Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/141262-mlb-rumor/page/3/#findComment-1740661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxikk Veteran Posted February 16, 2004 Veteran Share Posted February 16, 2004 boog. cowboys. (N) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/141262-mlb-rumor/page/3/#findComment-1740911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.... Posted February 16, 2004 Author Share Posted February 16, 2004 boog. cowboys. (N) I knew....you living in VA.....that would get to ya, buddy. :p Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/141262-mlb-rumor/page/3/#findComment-1740967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxikk Veteran Posted February 16, 2004 Veteran Share Posted February 16, 2004 eh. fluke season for you guys. fluuuke. :p Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/141262-mlb-rumor/page/3/#findComment-1741002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianPimp99 Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 The only question I have about this whole deal is: Who's George going to bring in if they don't win the WS this year? He's locked into enormous contracts at 1B, SS, 3B, RF, LF, C, atleast Mussina, and Rivera's a FA this year I think too. That's close to $100 mil for 6 or 7 men on a 25 man roster. When one teams entire infield is worth more than a couple other teams entire payroll, things are seriously wrong with the finances. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/141262-mlb-rumor/page/3/#findComment-1741052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remote Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 I really dont blame the players. It is the owners fault. They are the ones saying yes to these big contracts. If im in MLB and someone is willing to pay me a lot of money, your damn sure I will take it. A-Rod took a pay cut and I think thats great. Someone said that only the players getting the big $ would strike. It doesnt work like that. MLB has a Union. If the union decides to strike, it does not matter if you want to or not. MLB is having a major issue and it will continue to have one. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/141262-mlb-rumor/page/3/#findComment-1741086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.... Posted February 16, 2004 Author Share Posted February 16, 2004 I really dont blame the players. It is the owners fault. They are the ones saying yes to these big contracts. If im in MLB and someone is willing to pay me a lot of money, your damn sure I will take it. If they want to compete, they have to. And if they can't afford it, they lose fan base, they lose attendance revenue, and therefore lose their ablity to compete. The next step is they fold. It's like you and I having a team. I have 100billion to pay for anything I want, and you have 20 million. Who's going to put a good team together? The owners who are willing to spend will spend. Steinbrenner is a huge example. He wants to win. He will pay to win, and what has it done for him? Gained him more revenue. It's just like running a business, if you put a lot of money into it, you should, if managed wisely, get a good amount in return. It's the fault of a non-revenue sharing system. Level the playing field, and you have more competition overall. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/141262-mlb-rumor/page/3/#findComment-1741198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonobozoot Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 From IHT..... :whistle: Looks like the Yankees didn't pay much. So, RedSox fans can only blame themselves for this debacle. The deal includes more cash - $67 million from the Rangers to the Yankees - than any previous baseball trade. The most staggering part of the deal is not what the Yankees are paying Rodriguez, but what they are not. Rodriguez is working under the richest contract in sports, a 10-year, $252 million deal he signed with the Texas Rangers after the 2000 season. The Rangers are receiving significant financial relief by trading him, but because they are paying so much of the $179 million that Rodriguez is owed, he is something of a bargain for the Yankees. Rodriguez, the American League's most valuable player last season as a shortstop, will switch to third base for the Yankees, and he will essentially cost them no more this season than they originally budgeted. The Yankees will pay Rodriguez $15 million in 2004, but he is deferring $1 million. The third-base prospect Drew Henson was scheduled to make $3 million this season before quitting to pursue football. The $5.4 million salary for Soriano, the All-Star second baseman, is also off the books, and the Yankees would save about $4.8 million by cutting third baseman Aaron Boone, who voided the guarantee in his contract by tearing up his left knee while playing basketball last month. The expected payouts to Henson, Soriano and Boone totaled roughly $14.2 million. The $942,623 in termination pay that the Yankees would owe Boone, in addition to the $14 million they will pay Rodriguez this season, would raise the Yankees' payroll by less than $750,000. "We traded an All-Star to get a Hall of Famer at a gain of very little for this year" in terms of expense, a club official said. The Yankees' overall payroll for 2004, based on average annual payouts to 24 players and including the termination pay the club is expected to give Boone, will be about $180 million. The Rangers, one official said, are reducing the interest rate on the money Rodriguez has already deferred to 1 percent from 3 percent. That could have jeopardized the deal because the union does not allow its members to devalue contracts; that was the rationale behind the union's rejection of Boston's trade for Rodriguez in December. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/141262-mlb-rumor/page/3/#findComment-1741333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicoCahill Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 Selig aprroves the deal. Its now official. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/141262-mlb-rumor/page/3/#findComment-1741477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxikk Veteran Posted February 16, 2004 Veteran Share Posted February 16, 2004 damn. that is crazy. i wish i could get paid that much to play a silly game. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/141262-mlb-rumor/page/3/#findComment-1741517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remote Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 I still dont think they will win the WS. They have had a better team for the last 3 years and came up empty. I think they will easly make it to the playoffs, but better pitching from the opposing team will prevail. Just like the angles, diamondbacks and marlins. The only thing I think I am going to be sick of is the sports writers telling use all season long about how great they are. Of course they are great. They have an allstar lineup. Find a better story Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/141262-mlb-rumor/page/3/#findComment-1741554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
netstarman Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 You want to hear something funny , My ex-girlfriend said one time while i was watching the Houston Astros play, she asked me "how many touchdowns did the Astros make?" I looked at her and told her "how many times have we watched baseball together and have you ever heard anyone mention touchdown?" :angry: the relationship didnt last to long afterwards. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/141262-mlb-rumor/page/3/#findComment-1741606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackcoffee Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 A-Rod to the Yankees // Well their goes O's chances of a successful season (like theywere gonna do good anyhow). Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/141262-mlb-rumor/page/3/#findComment-1741660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remote Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 A-Rod to the Yankees // Well their goes O's chances of a successful season (like theywere gonna do good anyhow). They never had a chance to challenge Yanks or Redsocks, but I feel they made a good step to the future. I am excited for the Os this season and will be at the game. Wont pay for it of course. Company tickets (box seats/skybox baby) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/141262-mlb-rumor/page/3/#findComment-1741676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurmoth Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 IT'S OFFICIAL NEW YORK -- The biggest trade since Boston sent Babe Ruth to New York became official on Monday, as the Yankees and Rangers completed the deal that sent Alex Rodriguez to New York. Texas received second baseman Alfonso Soriano and a player to be named later. The Rangers will pick up approximately $40 million of Rodriguez's remaining contract in addition to the $27 million it still owes him, leaving the Yankees to pay $112 million over the next seven years. Rodriguez, a two-time Gold Glove shortstop, will shift a few feet to his right, becoming New York's new third baseman. Derek Jeter will remain at shortstop, giving the Yankees a star-studded left side of the infield. Rodriguez is expected to don his No. 13 pinstriped jersey for the first time at a Yankee Stadium press conference on Tuesday. Manager Joe Torre and team captain Jeter likely will attend the event to welcome A-Rod to the Big Apple. The trade, which has been the talk of the baseball world since Saturday, was approved by the two clubs and the MLBPA on Sunday. Commissioner Bud Selig gave it his stamp of approval on Monday, completing the deal. "I guess any time you can get a player like Alex Rodriguez and have the wherewithal to do it ... it's a great trade for the Yankees," said Twins manager Ron Gardenhire. "They got rid of a good one but when you can get someone like A-Rod, I guess you do it." Not only does Rodriguez land in New York, but the move keeps him out of Boston, where the Red Sox tried to bring him all winter. Texas and Boston appeared to be close to reaching a deal at several points throughout the offseason that would have sent Manny Ramirez to the Rangers, but there were sticking points around Rodriguez's contract that held it up. When Aaron Boone -- the ALCS hero against the Red Sox -- went down with an ACL injury while playing basketball (he is scheduled for surgery today), the Yankees found themselves with a hole at third base. After bringing in non-roster veterans such as Tyler Houston and Mike Lamb, general manager Brian Cashman saw an opportunity last week to make a push for the game's best player, a push that resulted in A-Rod putting on pinstripes. "Once Boonie got hurt, you kind of expected them to go out and do something," said Tampa Bay manager Lou Piniella. "They always do. You have to give them credit for it." "I'm thinking, Aaron Boone's done it to us twice in four months," said Red Sox pitcher Derek Lowe. "The first time with that homer in the playoffs. Now him getting hurt opened the door for Rodriguez." Rodriguez, 28, hit .298 with 47 home runs and 118 RBIs last season, capturing his first American League MVP award. Rodriguez, the first reigning MVP to be traded, has led the AL in home runs in each of the past three seasons, averaging 52 per season. He joins an already powerful lineup that includes Gary Sheffield, Jason Giambi, Jeter, Jorge Posada, Bernie Williams and Hideki Matsui. The only spot in the lineup that still is up for grabs is second base, where Soriano played for the past three seasons. Current candidates include Enrique Wilson, Miguel Cairo, Homer Bush, Houston and Lamb. In 10 seasons, Rodriguez has a .308 average, 345 home runs and 990 RBIs. He is entering the fourth year of his unprecedented 10-year, $252 million contract. Both he and Jeter have seven years remaining on their respective deals, providing incredible stability on the left side of the infield. Soriano, 25, has posted back-to-back, 35-homer, 35-stolen base seasons, but his poor postseason was a cause for concern in New York. He is signed through this season, in which he will make $5.4 million, but he remains under club control for two more seasons, becoming eligible for free agency after the 2006 campaign. Yankees pitchers and catchers report to camp on Tuesday, the same day that Rodriguez will be introduced at a Yankee Stadium press conference. Rodriguez and the rest of the Yankees' position players are scheduled to report to Tampa on Sunday. GO YANKEES ! ! ! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/141262-mlb-rumor/page/3/#findComment-1741708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicoCahill Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 the thing nobody is talking about is that the red sox blew the deal because of a couple of million dollars. With Henson gone and most of his contract, soriano's contract gone, and boone's contract renigged because of basketball, the yankees are only paying a small amount for arod. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/141262-mlb-rumor/page/3/#findComment-1743861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxikk Veteran Posted February 17, 2004 Veteran Share Posted February 17, 2004 You want to hear something funny , My ex-girlfriend said one time while i was watching the Houston Astros play, she asked me "how many touchdowns did the Astros make?" I looked at her and told her "how many times have we watched baseball together and have you ever heard anyone mention touchdown?" :angry: the relationship didnt last to long afterwards. you are silly to end it over that. you gotta teach her the games dude. i have taught mine and she likes some. nascar, nfl, nhl :) well, she loved hockey before we met :p Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/141262-mlb-rumor/page/3/#findComment-1744737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
christracy Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 the thing nobody is talking about is that the red sox blew the deal because of a couple of million dollars.With Henson gone and most of his contract, soriano's contract gone, and boone's contract renigged because of basketball, the yankees are only paying a small amount for arod. not only did they blow the deal but word is that as the possible trade was announced on saturday morning larry lucchino made a desperate last minute call to john hart and tom hicks in an effort to derail the deal. which is hilarious as he was the reason the deal never got done in the first place. it was also stated that a-rod when asked about how he felt about the red sox his reply was in essence: john henry and theo epstein are classy people. to say that arod was a bit miffed at lucchino is an understatement. i had heard that he was a shady character but to me he led theo and john down this hardball road and didn't realize that he is not playing in san diego anymore. he called steinbrenner the evil empire and they made lucchino and the red sox look like b*tches. i give ol' georgie porgie credit he gets what he wants and does whatever it takes to win. its gonna be an interesting season Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/141262-mlb-rumor/page/3/#findComment-1744925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawtai Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 heh i thought i read somewhere that steinbrenner is gonna be paying out something like 80,000 an inning for all his players? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/141262-mlb-rumor/page/3/#findComment-1745032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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