ultimate99 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 (edited) I've been dual booting for some time now, Windows for mining and gaming and Linux for everything else. I'm deciding to to leave my main rig exclusively for mining + casual gaming and build a new mini-itx machine for Linux as my main productive. I'm thinking of an AMD with built-in graphics? What do you guys think? Current specs: Ryzen 3900x, Aorus Master x570, 32GB DDR4 (4x 8GB, I can use 2 sticks for each build), 1TB nvme, 1TB m.2 ssd Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1412851-a-new-secondary-build/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
spikey_richie Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 "main productive" what does main productive entail? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1412851-a-new-secondary-build/#findComment-598690232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindovermaster Global Moderator Posted November 12, 2021 Global Moderator Share Posted November 12, 2021 I can recommend this to you: https://store.minisforum.com/collections/all-product/products/hx90 I bought one back in late August, pre-ordered. Got it at the end of September. Might be backed up a little bit, as a lot of people pre-ordered it. I got the barebone, so I need to add in the RAM/SSD/OS. It's running the most powerful mobile Ryzen CPU, Ryzen 9 5900HX. Can do up to 64GB of so-dimm RAM, there is a header for M.2, as well as room for 2x 2.5 HDD/SSD. It includes liquid metal for the paste, and a good heatsink and good ventilation. I'm just waiting the right time to get my RAM. Black Friday or Cyber Monday. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1412851-a-new-secondary-build/#findComment-598690244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim K Global Moderator Posted November 12, 2021 Global Moderator Share Posted November 12, 2021 On 12/11/2021 at 15:37, Mindovermaster said: I can recommend this to you: https://store.minisforum.com/collections/all-product/products/hx90 I bought one back in late August, pre-ordered. Got it at the end of September. Might be backed up a little bit, as a lot of people pre-ordered it. I got the barebone, so I need to add in the RAM/SSD/OS. It's running the most powerful mobile Ryzen CPU, Ryzen 9 5900HX. Can do up to 64GB of so-dimm RAM, there is a header for M.2, as well as room for 2x 2.5 HDD/SSD. It includes liquid metal for the paste, and a good heatsink and good ventilation. I'm just waiting the right time to get my RAM. Black Friday or Cyber Monday. Expand That brand got roasted hard not too long ago by Gamers Nexus and der8auer. I wouldn't buy it...yikes. /// Regarding the OP ... you could probably build a nice little Ryzen 5700G system for around 700-900 bucks. Should you? 🤷♂️ Brandon H 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1412851-a-new-secondary-build/#findComment-598690259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindovermaster Global Moderator Posted November 12, 2021 Global Moderator Share Posted November 12, 2021 (edited) On 12/11/2021 at 16:39, Jim K said: That brand got roasted hard not too long ago by Gamers Nexus and der8auer. I wouldn't buy it...yikes. /// Regarding the OP ... you could probably build a nice little Ryzen 5700G system for around 700-900 bucks. Expand Jim, that's OLD news. There are many different videos explaining otherwise. It was fixed from the sample to the finishing product. Edit: And mine had no residue on the board or case. Brandon H 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1412851-a-new-secondary-build/#findComment-598690262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimate99 Posted November 12, 2021 Author Share Posted November 12, 2021 On 12/11/2021 at 14:58, spikey_richie said: "main productive" what does main productive entail? Expand Mostly writing and programming in python. On 12/11/2021 at 15:37, Mindovermaster said: I can recommend this to you: https://store.minisforum.com/collections/all-product/products/hx90 I bought one back in late August, pre-ordered. Got it at the end of September. Might be backed up a little bit, as a lot of people pre-ordered it. I got the barebone, so I need to add in the RAM/SSD/OS. It's running the most powerful mobile Ryzen CPU, Ryzen 9 5900HX. Can do up to 64GB of so-dimm RAM, there is a header for M.2, as well as room for 2x 2.5 HDD/SSD. It includes liquid metal for the paste, and a good heatsink and good ventilation. I'm just waiting the right time to get my RAM. Black Friday or Cyber Monday. Expand That's interesting...never thought of a pre-build....and this small! Will look into it. You have linux running on it? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1412851-a-new-secondary-build/#findComment-598690313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindovermaster Global Moderator Posted November 12, 2021 Global Moderator Share Posted November 12, 2021 On 12/11/2021 at 19:30, ultimate99 said: That's interesting...never thought of a pre-build....and this small! Will look into it. You have linux running on it? Expand There are other brands available, also. Might want to look into them. 😉 I have Debian working on my system right now. Previously I did load up Mint Cinnamon. Both of them work fine 😁 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1412851-a-new-secondary-build/#findComment-598690315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellowalkman Reporter Posted November 12, 2021 Reporter Share Posted November 12, 2021 I will say go for it. But you'll have to decide whether you want an AMD rig or Intel rig. Generally, AMD iGP is better for gaming while Intel at media playback. I'm personally also looking to build something like an AMD RDNA 2 APU system in the future once AM5 is out. Mindovermaster 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1412851-a-new-secondary-build/#findComment-598690326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon H Supervisor Posted November 12, 2021 Supervisor Share Posted November 12, 2021 (edited) On 12/11/2021 at 20:11, hellowalkman said: I will say go for it. But you'll have to decide whether you want an AMD rig or Intel rig. Generally, AMD iGP is better for gaming while Intel at media playback. I'm personally also looking to build something like an AMD RDNA 2 APU system in the future once AM5 is out. Expand unless you're talking Xe graphics then AMD APUs still blow Intel out of the water. The Xe drivers still need quite a bit of work and are wonky on a lot of titles and emulators too. plus it sounds like OP is planning to load Linux of some sort so AMD has much better support on that front too. but yes I'd say that mini system shown above is quite a good deal too Edited November 12, 2021 by Brandon H fixed graphics name lol oops hellowalkman 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1412851-a-new-secondary-build/#findComment-598690330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellowalkman Reporter Posted November 12, 2021 Reporter Share Posted November 12, 2021 (edited) On 12/11/2021 at 20:29, Brandon H said: unless you're talking Xeon graphics then AMD APUs still blow Intel out of the water. The Xeon drivers still need quite a bit of work and are wonky on a lot of titles and emulators too. plus it sounds like OP is planning to load Linux of some sort so AMD has much better support on that front too. but yes I'd say that mini system shown above is quite a good deal too Expand I think you mean Intel Xe graphics! Also yes AMD support on Linux is excellent I here, better than Nvidia's. No idea about Intel's media playback abilities on Linux though. I'm assuming it shouldn't be too different than Windows. But I could be wrong. Edit: I found this. https://community.intel.com/t5/Media-Intel-oneAPI-Video/H264-Decoding-performance-on-Linux/td-p/1149491 Edited November 12, 2021 by hellowalkman Added some info that might be helpful Brandon H 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1412851-a-new-secondary-build/#findComment-598690334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon H Supervisor Posted November 12, 2021 Supervisor Share Posted November 12, 2021 On 12/11/2021 at 20:38, hellowalkman said: I think you mean Intel Xe graphics! Expand yes quite possibly. that's what I get for not fact checking myself on the name lol hellowalkman 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1412851-a-new-secondary-build/#findComment-598690335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimate99 Posted November 12, 2021 Author Share Posted November 12, 2021 On 12/11/2021 at 20:11, hellowalkman said: I will say go for it. But you'll have to decide whether you want an AMD rig or Intel rig. Generally, AMD iGP is better for gaming while Intel at media playback. I'm personally also looking to build something like an AMD RDNA 2 APU system in the future once AM5 is out. Expand that's another thing....should I wait for DDR5? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1412851-a-new-secondary-build/#findComment-598690351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimate99 Posted November 12, 2021 Author Share Posted November 12, 2021 On 12/11/2021 at 19:41, Mindovermaster said: There are other brands available, also. Might want to look into them. 😉 I have Debian working on my system right now. Previously I did load up Mint Cinnamon. Both of them work fine 😁 Expand Got examples that you that are good? Minisforum ship to Canada for free, which is a plus!! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1412851-a-new-secondary-build/#findComment-598690357 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon H Supervisor Posted November 12, 2021 Supervisor Share Posted November 12, 2021 On 12/11/2021 at 21:14, ultimate99 said: that's another thing....should I wait for DDR5? Expand not worth the wait. it'll be more expensive at first and most use cases won't have much advantage and may run worse depending due to the difference with it putting the voltage chip right on it now instead of the mobo. On 12/11/2021 at 21:24, ultimate99 said: Got examples that you that are good? Minisforum ship to Canada for free, which is a plus!! Expand heck that alone would make me go for it as not many would offer free shipping like that Mindovermaster 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1412851-a-new-secondary-build/#findComment-598690361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindovermaster Global Moderator Posted November 12, 2021 Global Moderator Share Posted November 12, 2021 On 12/11/2021 at 21:24, ultimate99 said: Got examples that you that are good? Minisforum ship to Canada for free, which is a plus!! Expand They offer free shipping world wide. US, CANADA, UK, Germany, etc. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1412851-a-new-secondary-build/#findComment-598690401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimate99 Posted November 13, 2021 Author Share Posted November 13, 2021 On 12/11/2021 at 15:37, Mindovermaster said: I can recommend this to you: https://store.minisforum.com/collections/all-product/products/hx90 I bought one back in late August, pre-ordered. Got it at the end of September. Might be backed up a little bit, as a lot of people pre-ordered it. I got the barebone, so I need to add in the RAM/SSD/OS. It's running the most powerful mobile Ryzen CPU, Ryzen 9 5900HX. Can do up to 64GB of so-dimm RAM, there is a header for M.2, as well as room for 2x 2.5 HDD/SSD. It includes liquid metal for the paste, and a good heatsink and good ventilation. I'm just waiting the right time to get my RAM. Black Friday or Cyber Monday. Expand Are these expensive? https://www.newegg.ca/kingston-32gb-260-pin-ddr4-so-dimm/p/N82E16820242625?Description=sodimm&cm_re=sodimm-_-20-242-625-_-Product If I get the barebone, buy the above ram, and provide my own m.2 ssd, that would be CAD $1200 after tax. If I build from scratch might be cheaper..hmm... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1412851-a-new-secondary-build/#findComment-598690425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindovermaster Global Moderator Posted November 13, 2021 Global Moderator Share Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) On 13/11/2021 at 02:37, ultimate99 said: Are these expensive? https://www.newegg.ca/kingston-32gb-260-pin-ddr4-so-dimm/p/N82E16820242625?Description=sodimm&cm_re=sodimm-_-20-242-625-_-Product If I get the barebone, buy the above ram, and provide my own m.2 ssd, that would be CAD $1200 after tax. If I build from scratch might be cheaper..hmm... Expand Get G.Skill Ripjaws. They are like half the price of that for 32Gb (2x16GB) Think they're at $105 rn. Edit: $95, my mistake. https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-260-pin-ddr4-so-dimm/p/N82E16820374024?quicklink=true Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1412851-a-new-secondary-build/#findComment-598690426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellowalkman Reporter Posted November 13, 2021 Reporter Share Posted November 13, 2021 On 12/11/2021 at 21:14, ultimate99 said: that's another thing....should I wait for DDR5? Expand this might help https://www.neowin.net/news/ddr4-or-ddr5-whats-the-difference-and-how-to-choose-for-your-12th-gen-alder-lake-pc/ However, the performance on Linux could be totally different. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1412851-a-new-secondary-build/#findComment-598690444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindovermaster Global Moderator Posted November 13, 2021 Global Moderator Share Posted November 13, 2021 On 13/11/2021 at 05:17, hellowalkman said: this might help https://www.neowin.net/news/ddr4-or-ddr5-whats-the-difference-and-how-to-choose-for-your-12th-gen-alder-lake-pc/ However, the performance on Linux could be totally different. Expand That and there's not a lot of boards out there that support it rn. It has to be in mainstream before Linux mess with anything new. Brandon H 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1412851-a-new-secondary-build/#findComment-598690446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimate99 Posted November 13, 2021 Author Share Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) This is what I'm thinking. I'll add my own m.2 ssd, 2x 8gb ddr4 ram, and psu. CANADA PCPartPicker Part List CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700G 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor ($399.98 @ Amazon Canada)Motherboard: ASRock B550 Phantom Gaming-ITX/ax Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard ($229.99 @ Newegg Canada)Case: Cooler Master MasterBox NR200 Mini ITX Desktop Case ($66.43 @ Amazon Canada)Total: $696.40 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1412851-a-new-secondary-build/#findComment-598690480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimate99 Posted November 14, 2021 Author Share Posted November 14, 2021 There's another version of the motherboard: https://www.newegg.ca/asrock-b550m-itx-ac/p/N82E16813157954?Item=N82E16813157954&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-CAN&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-CAN&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3a%2f%2fca.pcpartpicker.com%2f&ranMID=44589&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-CXsCqirstmytlCc6yZuYig Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1412851-a-new-secondary-build/#findComment-598690559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindovermaster Global Moderator Posted November 14, 2021 Global Moderator Share Posted November 14, 2021 On 14/11/2021 at 00:48, ultimate99 said: There's another version of the motherboard: https://www.newegg.ca/asrock-b550m-itx-ac/p/N82E16813157954?Item=N82E16813157954&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-CAN&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-CAN&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3a%2f%2fca.pcpartpicker.com%2f&ranMID=44589&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-CXsCqirstmytlCc6yZuYig Expand Still has a PS/2 connector? LOL.. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1412851-a-new-secondary-build/#findComment-598690564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 On 14/11/2021 at 01:30, Mindovermaster said: Still has a PS/2 connector? LOL.. Expand Why not? PS/2 still has superior NKRO abilities. https://landing.coolermaster.com/faq/nkro--n-key-rollover/ Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1412851-a-new-secondary-build/#findComment-598690571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindovermaster Global Moderator Posted November 14, 2021 Global Moderator Share Posted November 14, 2021 (edited) On 14/11/2021 at 03:34, adrynalyne said: Why not? PS/2 still has superior NKRO abilities. https://landing.coolermaster.com/faq/nkro--n-key-rollover/ Expand More sophisticated boards don't include that anymore. I'm not saying they don't have a use. I'm just saying they are phasing out. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1412851-a-new-secondary-build/#findComment-598690572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 (edited) On 14/11/2021 at 03:38, Mindovermaster said: More sophisticated boards don't include that anymore. I'm not saying they don't have a use. I'm just saying they are phasing out. Expand Yet it still exists. If there wasn’t a demand somewhere, it would be completely phased out. https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/TUF-Gaming/TUF-GAMING-X570-PLUS/ Another example. Edited November 14, 2021 by adrynalyne Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1412851-a-new-secondary-build/#findComment-598690573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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