neufuse Veteran Posted October 24, 2022 Veteran Share Posted October 24, 2022 (edited) I've noticed that under the community activity I almost ALWAYS see the same stuff Russia v Ukraine conflict Donald Trump - 45th President of the United State Politics is ###### business almost there every single time for me, and the other tops seem to update rarely... I will see topics that haven't been posted to for days! like something just happened.... but stuff that has recent updates never shows up there.... is there a reason for this? Right now this topic is showing What Windows Version is This? and the last post was over an hour ago and "Is there a way to change the color of Dark mode context menu borders in Explorer?" which was last posted to 5hrs ago I'm sure newer stuff has been posted somewhere on the forum since then, and these last two I never posted to so why I see them so much is confusing +Edouard 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neufuse Veteran Posted October 24, 2022 Author Veteran Share Posted October 24, 2022 I've had the same topics listed for 4 hours now, this thing does update right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zikalify Editor Posted October 24, 2022 Editor Share Posted October 24, 2022 I don't know the mechanics behind it, but I always thought the threads with new comments got put to the top of community activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shockz Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 On 24/10/2022 at 17:15, neufuse said: I've had the same topics listed for 4 hours now, this thing does update right? The site is just that dead lately. I thought something was wrong at first too. There is a slight difference on what forums seem to get shown on the front page activity list vs forums activity list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neufuse Veteran Posted October 24, 2022 Author Veteran Share Posted October 24, 2022 On 24/10/2022 at 17:36, shockz said: The site is just that dead lately. I thought something was wrong at first too. There is a slight difference on what forums seem to get shown on the front page activity list vs forums activity list. I don't think it's that because I see posts in topics that happened way after those ones showing and they don't cycle... I still have the same exact posts from earlier showing and I've found tons of topics that have newer posts On 24/10/2022 at 17:22, zikalify said: I don't know the mechanics behind it, but I always thought the threads with new comments got put to the top of community activity. but it's not, at least not for me, mine hasn't updated for almost 5hrs now? and I see lots of new update posts in the different forum topics lists +Edouard 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zikalify Editor Posted October 24, 2022 Editor Share Posted October 24, 2022 @DaveLeggDo you know if anything is broken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Edouard Subscriber² Posted October 24, 2022 Subscriber² Share Posted October 24, 2022 On 25/10/2022 at 08:22, zikalify said: I don't know the mechanics behind it, but I always thought the threads with new comments got put to the top of community activity. Yes, that used to happen but it stopped doing that for me at least recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neufuse Veteran Posted October 24, 2022 Author Veteran Share Posted October 24, 2022 Just looked again and it's still the same ones from almost 6hsr ago, someone turn on 24hr caching or something? 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neufuse Veteran Posted October 25, 2022 Author Veteran Share Posted October 25, 2022 next day, same topics still... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cork1958 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) Yep, has been like that since they made the changes on here where they mentioned lack of support from making money off ads and community involvement as a whole. At least that's the best way I can think of wording what those changes were. Been a few weeks ago, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven P. Administrators Posted October 25, 2022 Administrators Share Posted October 25, 2022 It updates for me News comments were removed from it so that we could get new people visiting the main page interested in forum topics rather than having a permanent reminder of the recent news article's comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neufuse Veteran Posted October 25, 2022 Author Veteran Share Posted October 25, 2022 On 25/10/2022 at 11:24, Steven P. said: It updates for me News comments were removed from it so that we could get new people visiting the main page interested in forum topics rather than having a permanent reminder of the recent news article's comments. I'm still seeing 90% of what I got all day yesterday, only the pfSense topic is dfferent for me.... honestly, the way it is now is just useless for me... I expect to see different topics not the same ones every time I look.... if anything it not updating more frequently with forum posts just reduces my site engagement a ton... because all I ever see there is Russia / Ukraine / Trump / Biden / elections.... its more political then tech bguy_1986 and +Edouard 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Edouard Subscriber² Posted October 25, 2022 Subscriber² Share Posted October 25, 2022 On 26/10/2022 at 06:44, neufuse said: I'm still seeing 90% of what I got all day yesterday, only the pfSense topic is dfferent for me.... honestly, the way it is now is just useless for me... I expect to see different topics not the same ones every time I look.... if anything it not updating more frequently with forum posts just reduces my site engagement a ton... because all I ever see there is Russia / Ukraine / Trump / Biden / elections.... its more political then tech Yeah, exactly. This is a poor experience. All I'm seeing is politics...which I like but I want it to show most recent new comments. Nope, not liking this at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Edouard Subscriber² Posted October 25, 2022 Subscriber² Share Posted October 25, 2022 On 26/10/2022 at 02:24, Steven P. said: It updates for me News comments were removed from it so that we could get new people visiting the main page interested in forum topics rather than having a permanent reminder of the recent news article's comments. Sorry Steven but I strongly disagree. Surely you should be supporting your actual tech articles above political forum threads. I understand the site has had a downturn in recent times as you mentioned recently but pushing political forums above tech articles is surely not the way to regrow your site. Sorry Steven, just my opinion but I feel you need to rethink your strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Elі Subscriber² Posted October 25, 2022 Subscriber² Share Posted October 25, 2022 I don't like the change they did to the Community Activity area either, it seems to always show things I'm not interested in and yeah it takes a long time to change content. I liked it how it used to be before where it would update with front page comments and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven P. Administrators Posted October 26, 2022 Administrators Share Posted October 26, 2022 There's also this: https://www.neowin.net/forum/discover/ and the MiniSpy, which does have news comments My intention is to get people who come to news articles, clicking on forum topics. They cannot see the political discussions because those are hidden for guests. Guests only ever saw the same recent news posts in the Community Activity block because they are commented on more than forum topics, that does not help me get guests to view our forum topics. The Community Activity block also doesn't auto update like the MiniSpy does, so it makes me wonder if you are so interested in tracking the full site's topics activity, including news, you should be looking at this https://www.neowin.net/forum/discover/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoopZ Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 I personally only ever visit the forums if something appears on the front page community feed that interests me, I've been doing it for donkeys years and not likely to change, so if the feed doesn't update then I click off the site and visit again later. cork1958 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neufuse Veteran Posted October 26, 2022 Author Veteran Share Posted October 26, 2022 On 26/10/2022 at 05:09, Steven P. said: There's also this: https://www.neowin.net/forum/discover/ and the MiniSpy, which does have news comments My intention is to get people who come to news articles, clicking on forum topics. They cannot see the political discussions because those are hidden for guests. Guests only ever saw the same recent news posts in the Community Activity block because they are commented on more than forum topics, that does not help me get guests to view our forum topics. The Community Activity block also doesn't auto update like the MiniSpy does, so it makes me wonder if you are so interested in tracking the full site's topics activity, including news, you should be looking at this https://www.neowin.net/forum/discover/ but I'm not even seeing the non-news posts, it's just basically static... why when a forum post is made does it not update? I know forum posts are being made outside the same topics i always see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neufuse Veteran Posted October 26, 2022 Author Veteran Share Posted October 26, 2022 I feel like in the "old days" it would update in near real time and I could find stuff people were talking about... on the forum side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven P. Administrators Posted October 26, 2022 Administrators Share Posted October 26, 2022 On 26/10/2022 at 13:18, neufuse said: but I'm not even seeing the non-news posts, it's just basically static... why when a forum post is made does it not update? I know forum posts are being made outside the same topics i always see The Community Activity box does not update like the MiniSpy, in fact there is also some element of page caching going on for the main page too, to save some bandwidth from not having to regenerate the page hundreds of times in realtime. The MiniSpy of the forums also only ever updates in realtime for logged in members too, because we also cache the MiniSpy for guests. Server resources cost money. For the Community Activity box you can click on the reload button to the top right of it for an updated list of recent forum topics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoopZ Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 On 26/10/2022 at 10:09, Steven P. said: There's also this: https://www.neowin.net/forum/discover/ and the MiniSpy, which does have news comments My intention is to get people who come to news articles, clicking on forum topics. They cannot see the political discussions because those are hidden for guests. Guests only ever saw the same recent news posts in the Community Activity block because they are commented on more than forum topics, that does not help me get guests to view our forum topics. The Community Activity block also doesn't auto update like the MiniSpy does, so it makes me wonder if you are so interested in tracking the full site's topics activity, including news, you should be looking at this https://www.neowin.net/forum/discover/ Suggestion. For people like me who live on the main page how about creating a button above the Community Activity feed that takes us directly and easily to your mini spy discovery link you posted, if you did that I could see myself using it all the time and could increase forum posting. What do you think Steve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven P. Administrators Posted October 26, 2022 Administrators Share Posted October 26, 2022 On 26/10/2022 at 16:13, SnoopZ said: Suggestion. For people like me who live on the main page how about creating a button above the Community Activity feed that takes us directly and easily to your mini spy discovery link you posted, if you did that I could see myself using it all the time and could increase forum posting. What do you think Steve? The main page is a news page. Not a forum page with all of it's related options. Lets stop splitting hairs here. I have answered as best I can the reasoning for making the change. Why not bookmark https://www.neowin.net/forum/discover/ or leave a tab with it opened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cork1958 Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 On 26/10/2022 at 06:59, SnoopZ said: I personally only ever visit the forums if something appears on the front page community feed that interests me, I've been doing it for donkeys years and not likely to change, so if the feed doesn't update then I click off the site and visit again later. Exact same way I visit/use this site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neufuse Veteran Posted October 26, 2022 Author Veteran Share Posted October 26, 2022 (edited) On 26/10/2022 at 08:14, Steven P. said: The Community Activity box does not update like the MiniSpy, in fact there is also some element of page caching going on for the main page too, to save some bandwidth from not having to regenerate the page hundreds of times in realtime. The MiniSpy of the forums also only ever updates in realtime for logged in members too, because we also cache the MiniSpy for guests. Server resources cost money. For the Community Activity box you can click on the reload button to the top right of it for an updated list of recent forum topics. the Reload button for me doesn't do anything I get back the same list every time... which sadly is still 6 out of 8 items being what I saw over a day ago now... seriously though, I'm not trying to be an ass about this, I just think it should update more frequently (maybe once every 10 minutes?) which not always the same topics (can we randomize the list of recent topics it picks from so it's not always the same?) just trying to help with site engagement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoopZ Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 On 26/10/2022 at 16:48, neufuse said: the Reload button for me doesn't do anything I get back the same list every time... which sadly is still 6 out of 8 items being what I saw over a day ago now... seriously though, I'm not trying to be an ass about this, I just think it should update more frequently (maybe once every 10 minutes?) which not always the same topics (can we randomize the list of recent topics it picks from so it's not always the same?) just trying to help with site engagement Had the same issue in September. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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