hardware I was all ready to drop far too much money on a build, but now the usual 'Do i wait' fear grips me...

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On 18/06/2023 at 21:08, Avistent80 said:

Nvidia saw how many people were willing to spend a crazy amount of money on a gpu (4080 is around 1600CAD and the 4090 on averge is 2500CAD) so i doubt the 5k series gpus will be reasonably priced either.

True. I just can't support that kinda thing. AMD have been doing great these last few years so i'm happier to invest in that direction for now.

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On 18/06/2023 at 23:08, Avistent80 said:

Nvidia saw how many people were willing to spend a crazy amount of money on a gpu (4080 is around 1600CAD and the 4090 on averge is 2500CAD) so i doubt the 5k series gpus will be reasonably priced either.

you mean as in situation for 3000 RTX

that was a mixture of both covid + crypto craze (shortage which caused price to skyrocket )  3090 reached as high as around 2800 usd middle of 2021 but not that long later it falled all the way to around ~1200 usd

which is both gone and also no money printer now lol so less money!

 

 

On 18/06/2023 at 22:25, deantendo said:

Thanks!

I'll wait until towards the end of the year in case the next new hotness drops from AMD, but as it stands the build will be this:

• Case: Fractal Torrent
• Mobo: Asus TUF X670E
• CPU: AMD 7900X3D
• Cooler: Noctua NHD15 black
• RAM: 64GB Corsair dominator platinum
• GPU: AMD RX7900XTX 24GB
• PSU: Corsair HX1200
• M.2: Samsung 980 pro 1TB PCIE 4
• SSD: Samsung 870 Evo 4TB

 it become a bit confusing the name of the cpu and the gpu the hell was in amd mind when they did this

[goretsky Supervisor]

Hello,

Have you considered adding an external USB drive for backups, if you do not have one already?

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky
 

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On 17/06/2023 at 03:34, hellowalkman said:

the 7900 XTX can be pushed to 450+W so I wouldn't call it insane.

Yeah, but I would call a GPU using 450+ watts insane (as that's nearly my entire PSU (520 watt) on the GPU alone).

p.s. any decent mid-range-ish GPU (like putting the higher end stuff aside since that tends to be overpriced and not worth it as a general rule) should not draw more than say 150-200 watts MAX if you ask me as one should not need some 1000+ watt PSU as a general rule. it's like after a certain point they need to start making decent stuff with some level of efficiency in mind. I don't know about everyone else but I don't plan on building/using a system that needs beyond a 700-800 watt PSU MAX off the top of my head (although the less the better). hell, my current setup I am using a 520 watt Seasonic and in November the PSU itself will be 11 years old (my motherboard just cracked the 11 year mark last month).

 

On 16/06/2023 at 18:12, deantendo said:

Built my current rig in 2017 (7700k, 1080ti, 32GB) and it's been great to me

Agreed. but I would keep using it as that GPU is still likely good enough, especially for anything around 1080p, and will probably remain so for a while yet. I got a 1050 Ti 4GB and it's 'generally' anywhere from good enough to pretty good for the games I play. so yours almost certainly will be if we assume about 1080p/30fps as roughly a minimum for 'good enough'.

I am aware you mentioned '4k/120Hz', but in my opinion 4k is not worth the excess workload on the system, especially if you got to pay quite a bit more money to get it. I would almost certainly just stick with 1080p for a while to come, maybe 1440p. especially given 1080p has been standardized for a rather long time now, not just gaming but with general TV's. like it's common thing a lot of people use.

p.s. hell, I would be more likely to upgrade your GPU before your CPU as that CPU can probably run pretty much any game you throw at it comfortably. I don't see much reason to upgrade from a CPU at that level for most people.

 

On 17/06/2023 at 14:00, Warwagon said:

I would never build anything with anything less than 32GB of ram.

I would say it largely boils down to cost difference between 16GB of RAM vs 32GB of RAM in whether 32GB is worth buying over 16GB for most people.

but just from a very quick look online it seems getting 32GB (16GB x2) of random DDR4 RAM is better priced than I thought it would be, roughly $60-70. if this is roughly accurate, I would likely back your advice and go with 32GB of RAM over 16GB of RAM since while many won't notice it, it gives a person quite a bit more room to breathe (to where it's safe to say RAM won't be a issue on that computer for the foreseeable future for the vast majority of people) as I do notice 16GB of RAM does not go as far as it used to, as speaking for myself, since I generally leave my browser (Firefox) running for days/weeks with quite a few tabs open (and occasionally another browser (Chromium) with more limited tabs open) I would say as a ball park I am often in the 8-12GB of RAM in use range (sometimes higher, sometimes lower).

my roughly 8-12GB of RAM in use might be more than many average-ish range people though since I would guess most don't leave their browser running for a long time with many tabs open like I often do as I suspect there are still a fair amount of people who can get by with 8GB of RAM etc (although I would almost surely not build a PC with less than 16GB nowadays (since it would somewhat handicap the computer with 8GB of RAM), especially given cost seems fairly cheap for 16GB of RAM and it's not like 16GB of RAM is anywhere near bad (I would say it's definitely closer to good than bad for most people) as I would be willing to guess most computer hardware out there still in use probably has 8GB of RAM or 16GB of RAM or thereabouts).

so at roughly $60-70 I tend to agree with you. but 'if' say 16GB of RAM cost $50 or so, and 32GB of RAM cost $100 or so, depending on ones money situation, I may suggest opting for the 16GB over 32GB as it would definitely offer more bang-for-the-buck at that point. but if 32GB of RAM is about $50-70, it starts to look a lot more appealing over 16GB of RAM.

p.s. currently I am at 73d7hr+ of system uptime. my Firefox browser has been running 8d13hr+ and my system, according to 'free -m', shows about 10.8GB used (1.7GB free, shared 1GB, buff/cache 3.4GB, available 3.8GB). for my usage situation, I don't see 16GB of RAM becoming a legitimate issue for me any time soon. if it does, ill have to build another PC since 16GB (8GB x2) is the limit of my current motherboard.

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On 19/06/2023 at 01:02, goretsky said:

Hello,

Have you considered adding an external USB drive for backups, if you do not have one already?

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky
 

Yep! All my vital stuff goes via dropbox, everything else goes to an external drive.