+thexfile Subscriber² Posted September 28 Subscriber² Share Posted September 28 However, car buyers should also consider hidden problems like transmission, the depreciation rate, and repair costs so they won’t have to deal with headaches and a drained wallet a year later. GOBankingRates talked to Chris Pyle, an auto mechanic and expert at Just Answer, to discuss the ten cars he would never buy and why they aren’t worth it. https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/m-mechanic-9-cars-never-120045756.html Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1446829-i%E2%80%99m-a-mechanic-9-cars-i-would-never-buy-and-why-they-aren%E2%80%99t-worth-it/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Som Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 (edited) On 28/09/2024 at 16:16, thexfile said: However, car buyers should also consider hidden problems like transmission, the depreciation rate, and repair costs so they won’t have to deal with headaches and a drained wallet a year later. GOBankingRates talked to Chris Pyle, an auto mechanic and expert at Just Answer, to discuss the ten cars he would never buy and why they aren’t worth it. https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/m-mechanic-9-cars-never-120045756.html that site gave me headache, hadn't realised how bad yahoo has gotten BTW anyone thinking of buying a mazda 6, avoid, garages hate it becasue its a bitch to fix Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1446829-i%E2%80%99m-a-mechanic-9-cars-i-would-never-buy-and-why-they-aren%E2%80%99t-worth-it/#findComment-598934491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorD Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 Oddly the Model Y is the top selling car on the planet so this guys opinion is just like yahoo, out of date and complete garbage DocM 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1446829-i%E2%80%99m-a-mechanic-9-cars-i-would-never-buy-and-why-they-aren%E2%80%99t-worth-it/#findComment-598934495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Matthew S. Subscriber² Posted September 28 Subscriber² Share Posted September 28 On 28/09/2024 at 11:47, Som said: that site gave me headache, hadn't realised how bad yahoo has gotten BTW anyone thinking of buying a mazda 6, avoid, garages hate it becasue its a bitch to fix Never had issues with Mazda's aside from some parts being hard to get. Sad thing is most mazda's share the exact same engine so parts are relatively easy to get. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1446829-i%E2%80%99m-a-mechanic-9-cars-i-would-never-buy-and-why-they-aren%E2%80%99t-worth-it/#findComment-598934509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Som Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 On 28/09/2024 at 18:50, Matthew S. said: Never had issues with Mazda's aside from some parts being hard to get. Sad thing is most mazda's share the exact same engine so parts are relatively easy to get. something about the 2015 mazda 6 causes mechanics to have a nervous breakdown. I had to trade mine in because i couldn't get a mechanic to fix it, and it was the second engine problem in 4 months. Lovely looking car though and lovely to drive too Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1446829-i%E2%80%99m-a-mechanic-9-cars-i-would-never-buy-and-why-they-aren%E2%80%99t-worth-it/#findComment-598934519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaceelf Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 (edited) On 28/09/2024 at 11:12, DoctorD said: Oddly the Model Y is the top selling car on the planet so this guys opinion is just like yahoo, out of date and complete garbage Your response to his opinion is equally garbage considering you haven't addressed anything he said. Not to mention their total sales have gone from roughly 75% of the EV market two years ago to half the market now as per https://caredge.com/guides/electric-vehicle-market-share-and-sales Edited September 28 by spaceelf Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1446829-i%E2%80%99m-a-mechanic-9-cars-i-would-never-buy-and-why-they-aren%E2%80%99t-worth-it/#findComment-598934529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 (edited) On 28/09/2024 at 16:03, spaceelf said: Not to mention their total sales have gone from roughly 75% of the EV market two years ago to half the market now as per https://caredge.com/guides/electric-vehicle-market-share-and-sales Only because more EV manufacturers came into the market, so a Tesla market share reduction was anticipated by just about everyone who pays attention. Focusing down on the US market, the Model Y and RAV4 are neck and neck for best-selling vehicle in 2024, both being ahead of the F-150. We'll see how Q4 goes. DoctorD 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1446829-i%E2%80%99m-a-mechanic-9-cars-i-would-never-buy-and-why-they-aren%E2%80%99t-worth-it/#findComment-598934546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorD Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 (edited) On 28/09/2024 at 16:03, spaceelf said: Your response to his opinion is equally garbage considering you haven't addressed anything he said. Not to mention their total sales have gone from roughly 75% of the EV market two years ago to half the market now as per https://caredge.com/guides/electric-vehicle-market-share-and-sales His opinion is just that an opinion but if you would like me to dive into one facet as to why it is garbage then let's look at his opinion that clearly states “The reasons are the cost of ownership once a motor or battery fails, and the repair cost is far more than the vehicle value.” on a car that has one of the most rock solid warranties in the industry that transfers with the car not to mention that a 7-8 year old Model 3 is still resale selling for about 20k - 30k on the used market almost the price of a new one. His opinion is the same one that involves the scare tactics that folks are using to scare the consumer away from a very efficient vehicle because it is not a gas/petrol or diesel and based on Fear not Fact or logic. Also I will again point out THE WORLD is Global not just the US market alone buys cars. Edited September 28 by DoctorD DocM 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1446829-i%E2%80%99m-a-mechanic-9-cars-i-would-never-buy-and-why-they-aren%E2%80%99t-worth-it/#findComment-598934547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaceelf Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 On 28/09/2024 at 16:08, DocM said: We'll see how Q4 goes. I can only work with data I have, so yes. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1446829-i%E2%80%99m-a-mechanic-9-cars-i-would-never-buy-and-why-they-aren%E2%80%99t-worth-it/#findComment-598934551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaceelf Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 (edited) On 28/09/2024 at 16:09, DoctorD said: Also I will again point out THE WORLD is Global not just the US market alone buys cars. If I had data from the entire world in front of me, I would use it. I don't. Since they are a US manufacturer, they're likely stronger here. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1446829-i%E2%80%99m-a-mechanic-9-cars-i-would-never-buy-and-why-they-aren%E2%80%99t-worth-it/#findComment-598934553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 On 28/09/2024 at 17:22, spaceelf said: If I had data from the entire world in front of me, I would use it. I don't. Since they are a US manufacturer, they're likely stronger here. They are a US manufacturer with large factories in Germany and China, both undergoing expansion by 2x. Slowed by the economy, there are also plans for Tesla factories in India and Mexico. In terms of the battery issue, or half of Tesla's use lithium iron phosphate battery, not the nickel cobalt cells used in heavier duty applications like sports sedans etc. Lithium iron phosphate batteries, the higher power versions of which include manganese, have a much longer lifetime - enough charge cycles to be the equivalent of 1 to 4 million miles. After the car falls apart around them they can be recycled into grid storage batteries. Tesla also happens to be a world leader in those grid batteries, the Megapack. There's a unit going into Arizona with a capacity of about 1 GW/h, they are sold out for about the next 5 years. That unit is growing at about 50%. DoctorD 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1446829-i%E2%80%99m-a-mechanic-9-cars-i-would-never-buy-and-why-they-aren%E2%80%99t-worth-it/#findComment-598934556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaceelf Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 (edited) On 28/09/2024 at 16:38, DocM said: They are a US manufacturer with large factories in Germany and China, both undergoing expansion by 2x. Slowed by the economy, there are also plans for Tesla factories in India and Mexico. In terms of the battery issue, or half of Tesla's use lithium iron phosphate battery, not the nickel cobalt cells used in heavier duty applications like sports sedans etc. Lithium iron phosphate batteries, the higher power versions of which include manganese, have a much longer lifetime - enough charge cycles to be the equivalent of 1 to 4 million miles. After the car falls apart around them they can be recycled into grid storage batteries. Tesla also happens to be a world leader in those grid batteries, the Megapack. There's a unit going into Arizona with a capacity of about 1 GW/h, they are sold out for about the next 5 years. That unit is growing at about 50%. Yes, I know your sales pitch. It doesn't tell me anything about their vehicle sales. https://www.visualcapitalist.com/charted-teslas-global-sales-by-model-and-year-2016-2023/ From what I'm seeing they're selling far more in the US, and will likely continue to do so. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1446829-i%E2%80%99m-a-mechanic-9-cars-i-would-never-buy-and-why-they-aren%E2%80%99t-worth-it/#findComment-598934586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 On 28/09/2024 at 19:56, spaceelf said: Yes, I know your sales pitch. It doesn't tell me anything about their vehicle sales. https://www.visualcapitalist.com/charted-teslas-global-sales-by-model-and-year-2016-2023/ From what I'm seeing they're selling far more in the US, and will likely continue to do so. In 2023 Tesla sold 1.81 million vehicles, 654,888 in the US so the majority are sold overseas. 603,304 were sold in China. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1446829-i%E2%80%99m-a-mechanic-9-cars-i-would-never-buy-and-why-they-aren%E2%80%99t-worth-it/#findComment-598934591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe User Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 I love the Tesla Cybertruck because it makes the Chevy Bolt and Volt look absolutely cool in comparison. +Matthew S. 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1446829-i%E2%80%99m-a-mechanic-9-cars-i-would-never-buy-and-why-they-aren%E2%80%99t-worth-it/#findComment-598934598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 (edited) On 28/09/2024 at 22:25, Joe User said: I love the Tesla Cybertruck because it makes the Chevy Bolt and Volt look absolutely cool in comparison. CT = top selling EV truck in the US, heading to Canada, Europe, the ME, then S. Korea. One was seen in the UK not too long ago. Production rate was 1300/week in June, probably closing in on 2000 by now - which would be ~ 100,000 a year. 1-2m reservations. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1446829-i%E2%80%99m-a-mechanic-9-cars-i-would-never-buy-and-why-they-aren%E2%80%99t-worth-it/#findComment-598934612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloatingFatMan Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 (edited) Shouldn't this be in the Neobahn section? Jim K 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1446829-i%E2%80%99m-a-mechanic-9-cars-i-would-never-buy-and-why-they-aren%E2%80%99t-worth-it/#findComment-598934631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe User Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 (edited) On 28/09/2024 at 22:42, DocM said: CT = top selling EV truck in the US, heading to Canada, Europe, the ME, then S. Korea. One was seen in the UK not too long ago. Production rate was 1300/week in June, probably closing in on 2000 by now - which would be ~ 100,000 a year. 1-2m reservations. Good for them! I'm impressed that people are flocking to what looks like a half finished trash compactor on wheels. Shows good marketing skills. Don't get me wrong, I think the Bolt has all the charm of a used modern NYC taxi, and I like the Bolt. Beauty is subjective. Edited September 29 by Joe User +Matthew S. 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1446829-i%E2%80%99m-a-mechanic-9-cars-i-would-never-buy-and-why-they-aren%E2%80%99t-worth-it/#findComment-598934658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astra.Xtreme Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 This was a surprisingly solid article with really good advice. I think most people know that every Stellantis brand is junk. If you buy a Dodge, Fiat, Jeep, Alfa, etc, you're just begging for crap reliability and lots of time in the repair shop. Tesla keeps riding the bottom of the reliability ratings, so no shocker there. They have the best EV tech, but it comes with heavy risks. Most other EV makers haven't figured out how to make them profitable or repairable, so the whole EV industry just kind of sucks. Without proper charging infrastructure, I have a feeling many EV brands are going to die off in the next 5-10 years. It might just be Tesla plus everybody else reverting to hybrid tech. I see a lot of people bashing Mazda here, but honestly they're one the best brands to buy right now. Consistently near the top of the reliability ratings, the interior quality is great for the price, and they don't use that CVT junk. Most lower cost vehicles have a CVT and Toyota is trending more in that direction now. I just wish they had some options that were higher performance and more sporty. +Matthew S. and Arceles 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1446829-i%E2%80%99m-a-mechanic-9-cars-i-would-never-buy-and-why-they-aren%E2%80%99t-worth-it/#findComment-598934794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
satukoro Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 As usual, your best bet for a reliable and economical sedan or suv is going to be a Honda or Toyota. DoctorD and Joe User 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1446829-i%E2%80%99m-a-mechanic-9-cars-i-would-never-buy-and-why-they-aren%E2%80%99t-worth-it/#findComment-598934833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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