Xenon Posted November 19 Share Posted November 19 Title says it all. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1449108-so-is-it-safe-yet-to-buy-intel-cpus/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
neufuse Veteran Posted November 19 Veteran Share Posted November 19 why wouldn't it be? If there was a big issue they'd of pulled them... if you are talking about the 13-14gen issue, that wasn't really that big of an issue unless you OC'ed the higher range chips hard.... Sikh, dwd999 and Dick Montage 2 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1449108-so-is-it-safe-yet-to-buy-intel-cpus/#findComment-598948098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindovermaster Global Moderator Posted November 19 Global Moderator Share Posted November 19 It's safe to use. Just don't overclock and keep it COOLED.. dwd999, Sikh and Dick Montage 3 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1449108-so-is-it-safe-yet-to-buy-intel-cpus/#findComment-598948103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrikedOut Posted November 19 Share Posted November 19 On 19/11/2024 at 16:05, Xenon said: Title says it all. Make sure you update the BIOS of your motherboard to the latest version and make sure the CPU power draw is set to intel max. The issue I believe were only on the i9 too. Sikh, goretsky, dwd999 and 3 others 5 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1449108-so-is-it-safe-yet-to-buy-intel-cpus/#findComment-598948104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenon Posted November 19 Author Share Posted November 19 On 19/11/2024 at 11:38, StrikedOut said: Make sure you update the BIOS of your motherboard to the latest version and make sure the CPU power draw is set to intel max. The issue I believe were only on the i9 too. I am looking at i7, so that is good to know. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1449108-so-is-it-safe-yet-to-buy-intel-cpus/#findComment-598948133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Scrip Posted November 19 Share Posted November 19 I built a new system with a 14900K earlier this year... before all the hoopla. But I didn't start using the system fulltime because I had video projects on my old system that I was still working on. Then the news broke. Yikes! I kept monitoring the situation and applied motherboard BIOS updates as they came out. This Fall I finally replaced my old system with the new system. Everything works great for me! As others have said... keep an eye out for new motherboard updates and you should be fine. Don't do crazy overclocks and make sure you have adequate cooling. The i9 chips can get hot... while the i7 is much more manageable. The reason I went with Intel instead of AMD is because of Intel QuickSync for video encoding. This new system is fast! Much faster than the 4790K that it replaced. 🤣 I had my previous system for 9 years... so this was quite an upgrade! I'm hoping this system will last just as long! 😛 +Raze, Dick Montage, Xenon and 1 other 4 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1449108-so-is-it-safe-yet-to-buy-intel-cpus/#findComment-598948194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockingbird Posted Tuesday at 23:48 Share Posted Tuesday at 23:48 (edited) On 19/11/2024 at 08:12, neufuse said: why wouldn't it be? If there was a big issue they'd of pulled them... if you are talking about the 13-14gen issue, that wasn't really that big of an issue unless you OC'ed the higher range chips hard.... That is incorrect. Intel set the Vcore very high right out of the box and that causes the degradation issue. Edited Wednesday at 00:03 by Mockingbird WITHOUT-ME, +Warwagon, +Eternal Tempest and 1 other 1 1 1 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1449108-so-is-it-safe-yet-to-buy-intel-cpus/#findComment-598948220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockingbird Posted Tuesday at 23:51 Share Posted Tuesday at 23:51 Intel only rolled out the microcode update a couple of months ago. Since silicon degradation is a long term issue, we can’t determine for sure if the issue has been resolved by just looking at the past couple of months. Sikh 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1449108-so-is-it-safe-yet-to-buy-intel-cpus/#findComment-598948221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockingbird Posted Tuesday at 23:55 Share Posted Tuesday at 23:55 On 19/11/2024 at 08:38, StrikedOut said: The issue I believe were only on the i9 too. On 19/11/2024 at 09:44, Xenon said: I am looking at i7, so that is good to know. That is incorrect. Intel acknowledged that the following processors are affected. Sikh, StrikedOut and Xenon 3 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1449108-so-is-it-safe-yet-to-buy-intel-cpus/#findComment-598948222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenon Posted Wednesday at 00:10 Author Share Posted Wednesday at 00:10 On 19/11/2024 at 18:55, Mockingbird said: That is incorrect. Intel acknowledged that the following processors are affected. Well then. I haven't had a AMD cpu in a long time. The Ryzen 7 7800X3D looks good. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1449108-so-is-it-safe-yet-to-buy-intel-cpus/#findComment-598948227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockingbird Posted Wednesday at 00:12 Share Posted Wednesday at 00:12 On 19/11/2024 at 16:10, Xenon said: Well then. I haven't had a AMD cpu in a long time. The Ryzen 7 7800X3D looks good. I believe AMD stopped making the Ryzen 7 7800X3D in favor of the Ryzen 7 9800X3D. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1449108-so-is-it-safe-yet-to-buy-intel-cpus/#findComment-598948228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindovermaster Global Moderator Posted Wednesday at 00:18 Global Moderator Share Posted Wednesday at 00:18 On 19/11/2024 at 18:12, Mockingbird said: I believe AMD stopped making the Ryzen 7 7800X3D in favor of the Ryzen 7 9800X3D. Nope.. If you don't need such a beefy CPU, that one is great. (the 7800X3D) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1449108-so-is-it-safe-yet-to-buy-intel-cpus/#findComment-598948231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
neufuse Veteran Posted Wednesday at 00:32 Veteran Share Posted Wednesday at 00:32 (edited) On 19/11/2024 at 18:48, Mockingbird said: That is incorrect. Intel set the Vcore very high right out of the box and that causes the degradation issue. we're talking about NOW not back then, if you but a "Affected" CPU now that is new you shouldn't have issues, and if you guy a current gen it shouldn't either Mindovermaster and +hedleigh 1 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1449108-so-is-it-safe-yet-to-buy-intel-cpus/#findComment-598948233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockingbird Posted Wednesday at 00:47 Share Posted Wednesday at 00:47 (edited) On 19/11/2024 at 16:32, neufuse said: we're talking about NOW not back then, if you but a "Affected" CPU now that is new you shouldn't have issues, and if you guy a current gen it shouldn't either Previously, the Vcore was going >1.66V. In the microcode update (0x129), Intel capped the Vcore at 1.55V, which is still very high. Accelerated silicon degradation could still be happening. We just don't know because the microcode update has only been out for 2 months and silicon degradation is a long term issue. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1449108-so-is-it-safe-yet-to-buy-intel-cpus/#findComment-598948236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrikedOut Posted Wednesday at 10:28 Share Posted Wednesday at 10:28 On 19/11/2024 at 23:55, Mockingbird said: That is incorrect. Intel acknowledged that the following processors are affected. Good to know as my CPU is in the list (13700K) but I have been updating hte BIOS since the issue was flagged plus I dont over clock so I happy but usefull to know. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1449108-so-is-it-safe-yet-to-buy-intel-cpus/#findComment-598948303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellowalkman Reporter Posted Wednesday at 10:58 Reporter Share Posted Wednesday at 10:58 On 20/11/2024 at 05:40, Xenon said: Well then. I haven't had a AMD cpu in a long time. The Ryzen 7 7800X3D looks good. for gaming it is the best chip in terms of value and performance. much more efficient too. even the 7950X3D is stomps Intel 13/14th Gen in terms of efficiency https://www.neowin.net/reviews/core-i5-14600ki9-14900k-review-intel-snatches-crown-from-amds-ryzen-7950x3d-with-6ghz/#:~:text=Intel's flagship needing-,108.5W,-(over 75%) more Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1449108-so-is-it-safe-yet-to-buy-intel-cpus/#findComment-598948311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
neufuse Veteran Posted Wednesday at 13:29 Veteran Share Posted Wednesday at 13:29 On 19/11/2024 at 19:47, Mockingbird said: Previously, the Vcore was going >1.66V. In the microcode update (0x129), Intel capped the Vcore at 1.55V, which is still very high. Accelerated silicon degradation could still be happening. We just don't know because the microcode update has only been out for 2 months and silicon degradation is a long term issue. I have a bunch of 13th and 14th gen cpu's and even some OC'ed and not one of them has failed yet or had stability issues, yes some did fail out there but I think the rate was a bit over exaggerated by a few vocal people and Intel did offer to replace them for people with no questions asked so there's that also Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1449108-so-is-it-safe-yet-to-buy-intel-cpus/#findComment-598948328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockingbird Posted Wednesday at 15:41 Share Posted Wednesday at 15:41 (edited) On 20/11/2024 at 05:29, neufuse said: I have a bunch of 13th and 14th gen cpu's and even some OC'ed and not one of them has failed yet or had stability issues, yes some did fail out there but I think the rate was a bit over exaggerated by a few vocal people and Intel did offer to replace them for people with no questions asked so there's that also That’s just anecdotal evidence considering that you are unlikely to have a large enough sample size to make any reasonable conclusion. Alderon Games, developer of the game Path of Titans, experienced nearly 100% failure rate. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1449108-so-is-it-safe-yet-to-buy-intel-cpus/#findComment-598948354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
neufuse Veteran Posted Wednesday at 16:10 Veteran Share Posted Wednesday at 16:10 (edited) On 20/11/2024 at 10:41, Mockingbird said: That’s just anecdotal evidence considering that you are unlikely to have a large enough sample size to make any reasonable conclusion. Alderon Games, developer of the game Path of Titans, experienced nearly 100% failure rate. one game dev also anecdotal evidence....... the number of CPU's in the wild for 13th/14th gen vs the number of failures is no where near 100% or even 50% or even 20% their latest number was closer to 15% with some estimating it to be closer to 7% Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1449108-so-is-it-safe-yet-to-buy-intel-cpus/#findComment-598948361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenon Posted Wednesday at 16:26 Author Share Posted Wednesday at 16:26 On 19/11/2024 at 19:12, Mockingbird said: I believe AMD stopped making the Ryzen 7 7800X3D in favor of the Ryzen 7 9800X3D. Thanks for the info. I am looking into that now. Mockingbird 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1449108-so-is-it-safe-yet-to-buy-intel-cpus/#findComment-598948367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Eternal Tempest MVC Posted Wednesday at 16:28 MVC Share Posted Wednesday at 16:28 https://community.intel.com/t5/Processors/July-2024-Update-on-Instability-Reports-on-Intel-Core-13th-and/m-p/1617113#M74792 Quote Based on extensive analysis of Intel Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processors returned to us due to instability issues, we have determined that elevated operating voltage is causing instability issues in some 13th/14th Gen desktop processors. Our analysis of returned processors confirms that the elevated operating voltage is stemming from a microcode algorithm resulting in incorrect voltage requests to the processor. Intel is delivering a microcode patch which addresses the root cause of exposure to elevated voltages. We are continuing validation to ensure that scenarios of instability reported to Intel regarding its Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processors are addressed. Intel is currently targeting mid-August for patch release to partners following full validation. They were slowly frying the chips. That's on top of early manufactured defect of 13th gen had oxidation issues that they withheld information until until now and don't give exact SN / Bins of before - after the fix. Current (make sure ! new !) cpu's and motherboard with current micro code * should * avoid the above issue. Due to recent revelations, Intel trying to do damage control, I myself would be a little hesitant, and would not buy used 13th/14th gen cpu's unless Intel has a no question asked warranty, Xenon 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1449108-so-is-it-safe-yet-to-buy-intel-cpus/#findComment-598948369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockingbird Posted Wednesday at 17:38 Share Posted Wednesday at 17:38 On 20/11/2024 at 08:10, neufuse said: one game dev also anecdotal evidence....... Windel from Level1Techs talked to server operators who run thousands of these processors, but what does Windel know, right? He just happens to be one of the first to look deeply into this issue. On 20/11/2024 at 08:10, neufuse said: the number of CPU's in the wild for 13th/14th gen vs the number of failures is no where near 100% or even 50% or even 20% their latest number was closer to 15% with some estimating it to be closer to 7% Now, you are just making up numbers. There are undoubtedly plenty of people who have crashing computers who don't know their processor is failing. Xenon 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1449108-so-is-it-safe-yet-to-buy-intel-cpus/#findComment-598948388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockingbird Posted Wednesday at 17:57 Share Posted Wednesday at 17:57 On 20/11/2024 at 08:28, Eternal Tempest said: https://community.intel.com/t5/Processors/July-2024-Update-on-Instability-Reports-on-Intel-Core-13th-and/m-p/1617113#M74792 They were slowly frying the chips. That's on top of early manufactured defect of 13th gen had oxidation issues that they withheld information until until now and don't give exact SN / Bins of before - after the fix. Current (make sure ! new !) cpu's and motherboard with current micro code * should * avoid the above issue. Due to recent revelations, Intel trying to do damage control, I myself would be a little hesitant, and would not buy used 13th/14th gen cpu's unless Intel has a no question asked warranty, The via oxidation issue is a separate issue. It's wild that Intel knew about it since 2022 and didn't even acknowledge it until Gamers Nexus went digging. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1449108-so-is-it-safe-yet-to-buy-intel-cpus/#findComment-598948393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
neufuse Veteran Posted Wednesday at 18:02 Veteran Share Posted Wednesday at 18:02 (edited) On 20/11/2024 at 12:38, Mockingbird said: Windel from Level1Techs talked to server operators who run thousands of these processors, but what does Windel know, right? He just happens to be one of the first to look deeply into this issue. Now, you are just making up numbers. There are undoubtedly plenty of people who have crashing computers who don't know their processor is failing. If using Intel's own estimates of 15% failure rate is just making up numbers then sure I'm making up numbers I work for a company that has ~5,000 13th gen i9 systems and a few more 14th in a software validation farm that is distributed around the country and not a single CPU on any of them them has failed yet.. we've had more SSD's fail then CPU's in the past two years... we did have 2 14th gen CPU's die out of no where but that's nothing compared to our farm's total size and since I'm just making things up I'll throw this report up also https://www.guru3d.com/story/intel-core-13th-and-14th-generation-processors-failure-rates-compared-to-amd-ryzen-5000-7000-series/#:~:text=According to the survey%2C the,processors was slightly over 4%. goretsky 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1449108-so-is-it-safe-yet-to-buy-intel-cpus/#findComment-598948395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockingbird Posted Wednesday at 18:05 Share Posted Wednesday at 18:05 (edited) On 20/11/2024 at 10:02, neufuse said: If using Intel's own estimates of 15% failure rate is just making up numbers then sure I'm making up numbers I work for a company that has ~5,000 13th gen i9 systems in a software validation farm and not a single one of them has failed yet.. we've had more SSD's fail then CPU's in the past two years Do you really believe Intel? This is a company that knew about the via oxidation issue since 2022 and didn't even disclose it until Gamers Nexus went digging. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1449108-so-is-it-safe-yet-to-buy-intel-cpus/#findComment-598948396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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