UnitedHealthcare CEO shot dead outside Manhattan Hilton hotel in ‘targeted attack’

[Som]

On 11/12/2024 at 21:17, adrynalyne said:

Did you even try reading what I said? I explained a possible reason people are acting how they are. The way they are due to corruption. Nobody is expected to shed a tear or outrage for the thousands killed by our healthcare overlords but you sound like you expect them to condemn a single murder? People are reacting to a crappy situation that is consistently a growing powder keg, something you seemingly cannot relate to. 

You mentioned Trump, I commented on MAGA in return.

 

Did you even try reading what I said?  Not shedding a tear for the CEO is fine., he was probably a prick. That wasn't my point. it was the cheerng on of the muderer and the fact that the public are on his side. His face was recognisable. not one person who knew him turned him in. The guy killed a man in cold blood in dayliught on the street, you can see a women was standing right behind him, what if there was a stray bullet and it hit her?  people are celebrating him. I don't see how anyone can see how that is acceptable behavour in a supposed civilized country or anywhere for that matter

Why does everyone have to argue about everythning all the time

[adrynalyne]

On 11/12/2024 at 14:24, Som said:

Did you even try reading what I said?  Not shedding a tear for the CEO is fine., he was probably a prick. That wasn't my point. it was the cheerng on of the muderer and the fact that the public are on his side. His face was recognisable. not one person who knew him turned him in. The guy killed a man in cold blood in dayliught on the street, you can see a women was standing right behind him, what if there was a stray bullet and it hit her?  people are celebrating him. I don't see how anyone can see how that is acceptable behavour in a supposed civilized country or anywhere for that matter

Why does everyone have to argue about everythning all the time

Not shedding a tear vs cheering on aren’t that much different. If people are celebrating them, I’d say they are sick of corruption. We all know what happens when they are sick enough of it, people get ugly. People die. People say terrible things and if it doesn’t resolve itself, possible war. That’s never happened anywhere before, right?

As for why people argue, maybe it’s how you are saying it? It pisses me off every time I see someone lump an entire nation of people together as single-minded and guilty. 

[Som]

On 11/12/2024 at 21:28, adrynalyne said:

Not shedding a tear vs cheering on aren’t that much different.

They are very very different

[adrynalyne]

On 11/12/2024 at 14:32, Som said:

They are very very different

Everyone has opinions. 

[Som]

On 11/12/2024 at 21:33, adrynalyne said:

Everyone has opinions. 

very astute 

[adrynalyne]

On 11/12/2024 at 14:34, Som said:

very astute 

Yup.

[FloatingFatMan]

On 11/12/2024 at 21:28, adrynalyne said:

Not shedding a tear vs cheering on aren’t that much different. If people are celebrating them, I’d say they are sick of corruption. We all know what happens when they are sick enough of it, people get ugly. People die. People say terrible things and if it doesn’t resolve itself, possible war. That’s never happened anywhere before, right?

As for why people argue, maybe it’s how you are saying it? It pisses me off every time I see someone lump an entire nation of people together as single-minded and guilty. 

Maybe in the barbaric wild wild west where loads of people are pushed beyond their limits by corrupt corporations, are packing guns, and quickly resort to them to resolve their problems, but not in the civilised world.  Here, we either use our words, the courts, or maybe in some very extreme cases, violence, but almost never a gun.

[+Kyle Subscriber¹]

On 11/12/2024 at 16:24, Som said:

Did you even try reading what I said?  Not shedding a tear for the CEO is fine., he was probably a prick. That wasn't my point. it was the cheerng on of the muderer and the fact that the public are on his side. His face was recognisable. not one person who knew him turned him in. The guy killed a man in cold blood in dayliught on the street, you can see a women was standing right behind him, what if there was a stray bullet and it hit her?  people are celebrating him. I don't see how anyone can see how that is acceptable behavour in a supposed civilized country or anywhere for that matter

Why does everyone have to argue about everythning all the time

Because we grew up watching Batman, Westerns, Die Hard and other media where the lone hero saves the day from an evildoer; most of the time, a greedy capitalist or foreigner. We have been molded into a society that roots for the underdog in the absence of true justice. This feels like justice to many because this CEO had previously managed to "get away" with thousands of deaths as a direct result of his actions facing 0 repercussions. 

[+Kyle Subscriber¹]

On 11/12/2024 at 17:16, FloatingFatMan said:

Maybe in the barbaric wild wild west where loads of people are pushed beyond their limits by corrupt corporations, are packing guns, and quickly resort to them to resolve their problems, but not in the civilised world.  Here, we either use our words, the courts, or maybe in some very extreme cases, violence, but almost never a gun.

Public trust of the court system in the United States is lower than it has been in 50 years. 

Why would anyone trust the courts to do anything?

[adrynalyne]

On 11/12/2024 at 15:16, FloatingFatMan said:

Maybe in the barbaric wild wild west where loads of people are pushed beyond their limits by corrupt corporations, are packing guns, and quickly resort to them to resolve their problems, but not in the civilised world.  Here, we either use our words, the courts, or maybe in some very extreme cases, violence, but almost never a gun.

Yep, wars and armed conflict have never happened in the past of other civilized countries. 
 

Edit:

What I’m getting at is it’s a wonderful and lovely dream that words solve things violence also does, but we all know that since the beginning of time, humanity resorts to violence when words fail.  While id like to think we can’t go to war or need to resort to violence, the corruption runs deep enough that the country may need to resort to it before it can heal. Words and courts are failing us. 

Edited December 11 by adrynalyne

[MuffinMullet09]

On 12/12/2024 at 03:39, Som said:

Anyone else find it disturbing how Americans have reacted to that killing. The guy was probably a prick but shooting someone in cold blood on the street and applauding it. On Jon Stewart they booed when he said the murderer was caught. On Reddit they're posting his manifesto like he's the second coming of jesus. Maybe Americans deserve tr

Look at some of the comments on here it has been disgusting.  But trying to tell people here that two wrongs do not make a right falls on deaf ears.

 

[+Kyle Subscriber¹]

On 11/12/2024 at 18:38, MuffinMullet09 said:

Look at some of the comments on here it has been disgusting.  But trying to tell people here that two wrongs do not make a right falls on deaf ears.

 

I think the point you're missing is that it's far more than two wrongs. This is the result of a systematic injustice that empowers a for-profit private company to decide who lives and dies. 

I am not agreeing with the action taken, but I understand why it was taken and agree that it is an insult to the American people we allow these companies to operate in the way they do.

[adrynalyne]

On 11/12/2024 at 16:38, MuffinMullet09 said:

Look at some of the comments on here it has been disgusting.  But trying to tell people here that two wrongs do not make a right falls on deaf ears.

 

Neither does one wrong. Offer a solution instead? People are fed up with the corruption and their reactions are an indicator of that. 

[mudslag]

On 11/12/2024 at 13:39, Som said:

Anyone else find it disturbing how Americans have reacted to that killing. The guy was probably a prick but shooting someone in cold blood on the street and applauding it. On Jon Stewart they booed when he said the murderer was caught. On Reddit they're posting his manifesto like he's the second coming of jesus. Maybe Americans deserve trump and what's coming to them. I find it all abhorrent 

This isn't new. Ill just leave this here

 

 

[mudslag]

 

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On 11/12/2024 at 19:39, Som said:

Anyone else find it disturbing how Americans have reacted to that killing. The guy was probably a prick but shooting someone in cold blood on the street and applauding it. On Jon Stewart they booed when he said the murderer was caught. On Reddit they're posting his manifesto like he's the second coming of jesus. Maybe Americans deserve trump and what's coming to them. I find it all abhorrent 

As I've mentioned before, I don't applaud what happened but I struggle to find sympathy for the situation.

What we're seeing is possibly the beginning of America's French Revolution. A wealthy man making profits off other people's suffering gets shot and the people applaud. And now their government is going to be made up of the wealthiest people in the country, striking down decades of work to line their own pockets while the lower classes suffer because of it.

I would say that I wouldn't be surprised if the guillotine made a comeback. But the Americans have enough guns and ammo to make it unnecessary.

[+Peter Alexander London Subscriber²]

On 05/12/2024 at 03:37, mram said:

Thoughts and prayers!

Look for Anthony Jeselnik standup

On 05/12/2024 at 03:15, neufuse said:

the murder seems way too much like a professional hitman

I think you saw to many movies

Anybody with a healthy brain can do this

[Astra.Xtreme]

On 13/12/2024 at 05:38, Nick H. said:

As I've mentioned before, I don't applaud what happened but I struggle to find sympathy for the situation.

What we're seeing is possibly the beginning of America's French Revolution. A wealthy man making profits off other people's suffering gets shot and the people applaud. And now their government is going to be made up of the wealthiest people in the country, striking down decades of work to line their own pockets while the lower classes suffer because of it.

I would say that I wouldn't be surprised if the guillotine made a comeback. But the Americans have enough guns and ammo to make it unnecessary.

This is a strange and ironic take...  The US govt is already made up of rich people that line their own pockets.  When members of congress have a yearly salary of $175k, but yet their net worth skyrockets into the millions, it's no secret what they're doing.  Corporations and the nation's richest have been funneling them money forever.
You say that the incoming admin striking down decades of work like it's a bad thing.  Clearly the US govt has been corruptly spending (wasting) far too much money and running itself into default, so why should we maintain that path?  The lower class has always suffered and the ever increasing inflation and costs of living have hurt them the most and keeps them down.  Come election time, the left panders for their votes, gets their votes, and then doesn't help them.  Rinse and repeat every 4 years.  The system clearly isn't working.  The waste needs to be eliminated so that the taxpayers aren't p*ssing away money on things that don't benefit them at all.  This is probably the first time that a major govt change will actually benefit not just the rich, but everybody.  Inflation will down and taxes can go down if the spending is under control.  Everybody should be rooting for that...

No there isn't going to be a new Revolution and public executions isn't coming back either.  Not sure why you'd even think that... 
This CEO being killed is just another example of a mentally unstable person that needed help or to be locked away.  It's pretty sick that people on the left are celebrating the guy.  First they rooted for the terrorists and now they're rooting for murders.  And they wonder why they lost the election...

[+Peter Alexander London Subscriber²]

On 05/12/2024 at 05:29, astropheed said:

What does 90% error rate to provide care mean exactly?

They only pay for 10 % of the claims

[neufuse Veteran]

On 13/12/2024 at 11:35, Peter Alexander London said:

Look for Anthony Jeselnik standup

I think you saw to many movies

Anybody with a healthy brain can do this

"healthy brain" yeah...... any murderer isn't thinking straight to start with, he definitely spent time planning this out and training himself but he still wasn't thinking clearly and slipped up a few times

and that comment was from when this first happened, all the media showed us was something that looked a bit too perfect, then they started showing more and more, so of course this far after the fact you can criticize a comment made at the start of this when we knew just what looked like a paid hit

[+Peter Alexander London Subscriber²]

On 13/12/2024 at 17:42, neufuse said:

"healthy brain" yeah...... any murderer isn't thinking straight to start with, he definitely spent time planning this out and training himself but he still wasn't thinking clearly and slipped up a few times

and that comment was from when this first happened, all the media showed us was something that looked a bit too perfect, then they started showing more and more, so of course this far after the fact you can criticize a comment made at the start of this when we knew just what looked like a paid hit

Have you seen Jeselnik's Standup, if not do it 

[+Kyle Subscriber¹]

On 13/12/2024 at 11:37, Astra.Xtreme said:

First they rooted for the terrorists and now they're rooting for murders.  And they wonder why they lost the election...

They rooted for the terrorists? What are you talking about?

[adrynalyne]

On 13/12/2024 at 13:57, Kyle said:

They rooted for the terrorists? What are you talking about?

LOL, he is trying to make it political🤣 

[+Kyle Subscriber¹]

On 13/12/2024 at 11:38, Peter Alexander London said:

They only pay for 10 % of the claims

Kinda

90% error rate means that for claims which were checked by United's AI, 90% of them were incorrectly denied even if they should have been approved. AI wasn't checking every claim, but even as someone who can code well a 90% error rate is irresponsible and dangerous when people's lives are at stake. The real knife twist was that the United CEO who was murdered knew how bad it was and from what I understand actively pushed against fixing it despite people dying.