UnitedHealthcare CEO shot dead outside Manhattan Hilton hotel in ‘targeted attack’

[FloatingFatMan]

On 07/12/2024 at 10:03, allannyholm said:

You can't just go around assasinating people... USA, USA, USA: What a world. Don't you guys have some governing body to take care of all such things? Not assasinations, but what Brian Thomson ought to have done to many people. 

Yeah, they do.. It's called the NRA.

[xMorpheousx416]

On 06/12/2024 at 19:40, MuffinMullet09 said:

Rip. He is the victim of a targeting shooting here. Love how some of you scally wags are rejoicing. Keyboard warriors who wouldn't dare it say in front of his kids .

You mean, targeted, not targeting. Scallywags is one word, not two.

Keyboard warriors who wouldn't mention a person getting blown away in front of their kids... huh, how long did it take for you to come up with this? This is some of the weakest rationale I've seen anyone ever post on this forum to justify their righteous capability of walking on water. Lemme guess... Kyle Rittenhouse, killing people at a rally that he brought guns to, to "defend himself" was worth rejoicing over?

The Republican party sure seems to think so.. they're still glorifying his 2nd Amendment rights... but alas, let's get back to your comment.

 

What is it, exactly, that you would say... to the kids of someone who controls the health decisions of millions as a business, putting profit of shareholders over that of say... their very own teacher dying of cancer? If his kids knew, that their own teacher died because daddy had to deny her her medicine, what would YOU say to them?

You peeled the onion... take a bite.

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On 07/12/2024 at 03:09, freedonX said:

Unless you actually care I could explain how an Insurance company actually works. How the make money, how they pay claims and so forth. Plot twist they work the same in all the world regardless of the category.
 

Stating that these companies work the same all over the world shows you have no idea what you're talking about. I live in Switzerland where we also have health insurance and have never been denied anything. My daughter has had knee surgery twice in two years, including copious amounts of physiotherapy and I haven't seen a bill. It is all handled by our insurance. Oh and no pre-authorizations or anything like that required.

So no, it isn't the same in all the world. Every country has it's issues and nuances but this is uniquely a problem in the US.

[mudslag]

On 06/12/2024 at 20:09, freedonX said:

You have 0 idea what you're talking about.

For a moment I thought I was  on reddit.

Unless you actually care I could explain how an Insurance company actually works. How the make money, how they pay claims and so forth. Plot twist they work the same in all the world regardless of the category.

Consider I'm a former IT guy with some certifications so it isn't like I can't think like a tech nor I was 'born' working in a white collar company, which I ain't becasue I'm just an independant agent  (i.e. I'm not an employee)

 

On 06/12/2024 at 19:40, MuffinMullet09 said:

Rip. He is the victim of a targeting shooting here. Love how some of you scally wags are rejoicing. Keyboard warriors who wouldn't dare it say in front of his kids .

 

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Insurance: a thing providing protection against a possible eventuality.

When the eventuality happens and the protection people paid for isn't there because profits are more important than providing said paid protections. Expect a lack of sympathy just like one finds a lack of protection they paid for. 

[FloatingFatMan]

On 07/12/2024 at 19:13, mudslag said:

When the eventuality happens and the protection people paid for isn't there because profits are more important than providing said paid protections. Expect a lack of sympathy just like one finds a lack of protection they paid for. 

Every once in a while though, Joe Public gets one back on the insurance companies.  Years ago I had a joint life & critical illness cover with my wife.  When I hit 40 they made me have a medical and after that cancelled the joint critical illness and made me take my own separate one.  Because of that, when my wife was diagnosed with cancer they had to pay out, and then when she passed away, they had to pay out again!  If they'd left it alone they'd have only had to pay out once.  

 

So, as much as I'd rather have my wife, screwing over the insurance people felt kinda good!

 

[xMorpheousx416]

On 07/12/2024 at 15:09, FloatingFatMan said:

So, as much as I'd rather have my wife, screwing over the insurance people felt kinda good!

I think you nailed it right there, FatMan... some of the posts people make are because they are not, or not yet, affected by some company screwing them over.

I call it the Snowglobe Effect... the inability to see past one's nose because they think the entire world of existence is something they can touch... everything else is unfathomable to them.

[Nick H. Supervisor]

On 07/12/2024 at 01:40, MuffinMullet09 said:

Rip. He is the victim of a targeting shooting here. Love how some of you scally wags are rejoicing. Keyboard warriors who wouldn't dare it say in front of his kids .

I'm not rejoicing. But "evil begets evil" and all that.

I wouldn't be happy about doing it, but I would sit down with his kids and explain why the man did what he did to their father.

Health insurance, with no regard to human life. Making it a business is hardly ethical, it's become a contradiction in the US. No wonder people are upset and instead are looking at this and going, "welp...you reap what you sow."

[MuffinMullet09]

On 07/12/2024 at 11:55, spaceelf said:

Finding out where his kids are so I could do that would be more than a little creepy.

Rejoicing on the other hand is fun.

Okay so by your standards when your wife or boyfriend is shot dead I can rejoice and make disgusting comments ? Cool let me know bro and I will do exactly that.

Anyway following this case , seems to me that the so called hitman must have been stalking this guy for months. Not sure if I would say this is a professional hit, more than likely a mentally disturbed individual who didn't get his own way with the insurance so lets go out and kill the CEO.

Yeah sounding more like a deranged skizofrenic off his med.

On 08/12/2024 at 06:09, Nick H. said:

wouldn't be happy about doing it, but I would sit down with his kids and explain why the man did what he did to their father.

But that's not your right to do that

 I don't think the kids would actually care since they just lost their dad.

I get why people are angry but using this guy as a scape goat is probably not I would personally do.

Guy is dead. Family.lost a loved one. Doesn't matter what his job was.

[FloatingFatMan]

On 08/12/2024 at 01:41, MuffinMullet09 said:

Yeah sounding more like a deranged skizofrenic off his med.

It'd be rather ironic if the killer were off his meds because they were denied by the insurance company...

 

I'm neither happy nor sad the guy was murdered, but I do think it's a good example of what can happen when profit comes before health.

[Dick Montage]

On 08/12/2024 at 01:41, MuffinMullet09 said:

skizofrenic

Please, purchase a dictionary.

I know you strive to come across as someone who has a valid argument, but you undermine yourself!

[Nick H. Supervisor]

On 08/12/2024 at 01:41, MuffinMullet09 said:

But that's not your right to do that

 I don't think the kids would actually care since they just lost their dad.

I get why people are angry but using this guy as a scape goat is probably not I would personally do.

Guy is dead. Family.lost a loved one. Doesn't matter what his job was.

Huh? Of course it's not my right to do that. But your statement was, "you wouldn't dare talk to his kids about it." My response is that I would.

As for, "it doesn't matter what his job was." It does, because it provides context. I assume Putin is a loving father, but with context he is still a terrible man that has got a target on his head.

[Mockingbird]

[MuffinMullet09]

On 08/12/2024 at 19:00, Nick H. said:

? Of course it's not my right to do that. But your statement was, "you wouldn't dare talk to his kids about it." My response is that I would

I wouldn't even do that. It's one thing to lose a parent but then insult the wound into the two kids coz they can't control what their dad supposedly did. It has never been established how old the kids are.

I just think it's distasteful. You can't blame whatever health care issues on just one man you need to take a line in probably the board and the employees too.

[Nick H. Supervisor]

On 08/12/2024 at 14:51, MuffinMullet09 said:

I wouldn't even do that. It's one thing to lose a parent but then insult the wound into the two kids coz they can't control what their dad supposedly did. It has never been established how old the kids are.

I just think it's distasteful. You can't blame whatever health care issues on just one man you need to take a line in probably the board and the employees too.

No, hold on for a moment there. Your initial argument was that I wouldn't dare talk to them about it. I disagreed, saying that if someone were to ask me to do so then I would.

Am I going to track them down to explain the situation to them? No. As you rightly pointed out, who am I to get involved in their business? But if I was dared (i.e. put in front of the kids to explain, or say nothing at all about it) I would have no problem explaining the situation to them.

I do also agree that you cannot blame one person for an entire company's choices. But the reason for a hierarchy is responsibility. And when you're towards the top of the hierarchy (e.g. a CEO) you take on more responsibility for what that company does. Was he aware that his company was using AI that denied 90% of claims? I don't know. Should he have been aware? Yes. He was a key decision maker in what the company does.

His actions (or inactions) within the company had consequences for the people using his company's services. Those consequences hurt people irreapably financially, and even resulted in deaths. All so that the company he was in charge of could benefit.

You say that I should feel sorry for the events that happened. I'm afraid I can't do that. Again, I don't condone what happened, but it does seem like consequences of his own actions (or lack thereof).

[astropheed Veteran]

On 09/12/2024 at 01:51, MuffinMullet09 said:

blah blah blah

He reached the "find out" stage of his life, and he found out. If he wanted to find out something different than he shouldn't have ######ed around.

[spacelordmaster]

The death of the United Healthcare CEO was a sad and unnecessary thing, however not an event that surprises me. United Healthcare has a wonderful tracking record of denying 90% of all insurance claims according to data. There is motive behind this killing. No one deserves a bullet, however, this man got shot for a reason. Either the shooter or someone in his family got denied coverage or the shooter is an upset employee who was fired. Only time will tell, but these insurance companies are ripping people off every month, charging ridiculous amounts of money only to deny their insurance claims when they need them so maybe this is a lesson to be learned by them and rethink their business models because this kind of atrocities are what happens when you push people to their limits.

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It's a rare thing where a person's life is lead with such reckless disregard for humanity that when they die the majority of their country is ok with it, and even slightly celebrating it. 

[spaceelf]

On 07/12/2024 at 19:41, MuffinMullet09 said:

Okay so by your standards when your wife or boyfriend is shot dead I can rejoice and make disgusting comments ? Cool let me know bro and I will do exactly that.

Go nuts.  People can rejoice for whatever reason they choose.

[+Eternal Tempest MVC]

On 07/12/2024 at 05:03, allannyholm said:

You can't just go around assasinating people... USA, USA, USA: What a world. Don't you guys have some governing body to take care of all such things? Not assasinations, but what Brian Thomson ought to have done to many people. 

Back in the day, it was legal to be un-insurable or pay $$$$ due to a having a "pre-existing" condition if your insurance lapsed, such as losing a job.

Hoping those times don't come back.

For profit insurance company plus the messed up system we have.

Laws changed to make the chargemaster public, but doesn't change the "game".

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The guy that shot him might have been caught about an hour away from me in Altoona PA

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[FloatingFatMan]

On 09/12/2024 at 17:53, primortal said:

 

An unsurprising event given the combination of the dreadful state of US mental health care and gun culture.  I'm kinda surprised it hasn't happened sooner TBH.

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On 09/12/2024 at 13:13, FloatingFatMan said:

An unsurprising event given the combination of the dreadful state of US mental health care and gun culture.  I'm kinda surprised it hasn't happened sooner TBH.

The interesting part of this is the shooter knew exactly where he was when shot.  But yes, I think this might open the door to more health insurance CEO 'shootings'.

[neufuse Veteran]

the 26yr old "may" have been a computer science major with a history of issues with health care insurers just hearing leaking details