branfont Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 So, I decided to test out Condusiv DymaxIO using the 30-day free trial. I don't currently notice any difference, I did have to change only one setting. What I don't like is it's not an actual application, everything is Web-based instead of a dedicated Windows app like what they used to make. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1452686-defragmentation-tools-on-windows-11-with-nvme-ssd-drives/page/2/#findComment-598975396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
devHead Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 On 25/03/2025 at 20:17, branfont said: So, I decided to test out Condusiv DymaxIO using the 30-day free trial. I don't currently notice any difference, I did have to change only one setting. What I don't like is it's not an actual application, everything is Web-based instead of a dedicated Windows app like what they used to make. Expand You will never notice a difference. You're using software to defragment a drive for which there is never any fragmentation. Everyone posted this simple fact, yet you still decide to use some third-party web-based software to do what your operating system is already doing? Of course you'll not notice a difference. Just don't use it after the 30 day trial. Software like this which still exists out there is a scam, plain and simple. Never let anyone tell you differently. Taliseian and +Dick Montage 1 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1452686-defragmentation-tools-on-windows-11-with-nvme-ssd-drives/page/2/#findComment-598975459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaceelf Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 On 26/03/2025 at 01:31, devHead said: You will never notice a difference. You're using software to defragment a drive for which there is never any fragmentation. Everyone posted this simple fact, yet you still decide to use some third-party web-based software to do what your operating system is already doing? Of course you'll not notice a difference. Just don't use it after the 30 day trial. Software like this which still exists out there is a scam, plain and simple. Never let anyone tell you differently. Expand I agree about never noticing the difference, but I don't believe I've ever seen a source saying solid state drives never have fragmentation. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1452686-defragmentation-tools-on-windows-11-with-nvme-ssd-drives/page/2/#findComment-598975462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+thexfile Subscriber² Posted March 26 Subscriber² Share Posted March 26 Solid-state drives have errors. The errors are from the dead bits in those drives. The best way to maximize the lifespan of solid-state drives is to avoid defragmenting them, which helps minimize errors. +Dick Montage, devHead and Jim K 3 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1452686-defragmentation-tools-on-windows-11-with-nvme-ssd-drives/page/2/#findComment-598975467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
branfont Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 (edited) On 26/03/2025 at 01:31, devHead said: You will never notice a difference. You're using software to defragment a drive for which there is never any fragmentation. Everyone posted this simple fact, yet you still decide to use some third-party web-based software to do what your operating system is already doing? Of course you'll not notice a difference. Just don't use it after the 30 day trial. Software like this which still exists out there is a scam, plain and simple. Never let anyone tell you differently. Expand No, I am not using 'defragment' on the drive, since you didn't see my post about DymaxIO, here's the relevant part: * Auto-detects SSD or HDD and applies correct performance-boosting technologies Since I have an SSD, guess which technology is being used, and it's not defrag. +Dick Montage 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1452686-defragmentation-tools-on-windows-11-with-nvme-ssd-drives/page/2/#findComment-598975552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe User Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 With Windows 10 and 11, it's best to just let Windows manage Windows. Additional apps are rarely needed for things like defrag and disk clean up. Microsoft has decades of experience with this, it just works if you let it. The one thing these third party apps are all great at speeding up is the flow of cash out of your bank account. Jim K 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1452686-defragmentation-tools-on-windows-11-with-nvme-ssd-drives/page/2/#findComment-598975621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Dick Montage Subscriber² Posted March 26 Subscriber² Share Posted March 26 On 26/03/2025 at 15:23, branfont said: No, I am not using 'defragment' on the drive, since you didn't see my post about DymaxIO, here's the relevant part: * Auto-detects SSD or HDD and applies correct performance-boosting technologies Since I have an SSD, guess which technology is being used, and it's not defrag. Expand Snake oil. Just leave it alone. devHead, +hedleigh and Jim K 3 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1452686-defragmentation-tools-on-windows-11-with-nvme-ssd-drives/page/2/#findComment-598975626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athlonite Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 23/03/2025 at 18:17, cooky560 said: I haven't used anything other than the default "Optimize and Defragment" tool that comes with Windows since Windows 10. It does a good enough job of knowing which drives to TRIM, which to defrag, and when to do it. Expand Sometimes it does but at others it seems to forgets to run it set mine for weekly defrag and or trim 208 days later still hadn't done a trim Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1452686-defragmentation-tools-on-windows-11-with-nvme-ssd-drives/page/2/#findComment-598975962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaceelf Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 28/03/2025 at 03:50, Athlonite said: Sometimes it does but at others it seems to forgets to run it set mine for weekly defrag and or trim 208 days later still hadn't done a trim Expand Generally I've seen that on a fresh install. It's gotten much better about that though...I usually don't need to intervene anymore. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1452686-defragmentation-tools-on-windows-11-with-nvme-ssd-drives/page/2/#findComment-598975963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goretsky Supervisor Posted March 28 Supervisor Share Posted March 28 Hello, It's not exactly snake oil, it is just that there are few benefits except in a few niche edge cases. For example, it make a small amount difference when you are copying multiple terabytes of files around (think hundreds of thousands of individual files), working with OLTP databases, and so forth. Those are very large sets of data, and cumulatively microseconds are going to add up over time. If you have a batch or real-time job that runs continuously, it can be a competitive advantage to run it in a shorter time than your competition. Another scenario where it might be more important is in certain industries where the lifetime of a device and it reliability over that time takes priority. You may want to perform some intelligent write-caching to extend the lifespan of a SSD because it is cost-prohibitive to service and replace, or has very tight maintenance windows. Consider space-based hardware like satellites, or scientific or industrial equipment which may have maintenance scheduled out years in advance with prescribed service windows. The thing is that in the case of typical consumer drive usage, the amount of time saved is not going to be amazingly noticeable. Regards, Aryeh Goretsky Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1452686-defragmentation-tools-on-windows-11-with-nvme-ssd-drives/page/2/#findComment-598975975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Dick Montage Subscriber² Posted March 28 Subscriber² Share Posted March 28 On 28/03/2025 at 05:58, goretsky said: It's not exactly snake oil, it is just that there are few benefits except in a few niche edge cases Expand The tool itself does have benefits - marketing it to general consumers is the snake oil. goretsky 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1452686-defragmentation-tools-on-windows-11-with-nvme-ssd-drives/page/2/#findComment-598975992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goretsky Supervisor Posted March 28 Supervisor Share Posted March 28 On 28/03/2025 at 09:32, Dick Montage said: The tool itself does have benefits - marketing it to general consumers is the snake oil. Expand Hello, I think that description could be applied to a lot of marketing in general. Regards, Aryeh Goretsky +Dick Montage 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1452686-defragmentation-tools-on-windows-11-with-nvme-ssd-drives/page/2/#findComment-598975995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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