World Peace Vs Human Extinction

[Destian]

Just wondering which most of you think will come first. Obviously the end of humanity could come tomorrow, but world peace, if possible, will take quite a while to achieve. However, if we do manage to refrain from blowing ourselves up (or getting getting destoryed some other way), then eventually things should get better and better until reaching an apex. So what do you think?

[kongit]

I think that if human extinction were to occur it would have to with the next hundred years or so. Hopefully by then we will not be stuck here on this planet. Once we start colonizing space we could theoretically survive as a species, excluding evolution, but I am not sure that we haven't hit the limit on that, until the universe implodes and everythin goes byby.

World peace will never occur as long as humans exist. So once humans become extinct world peace will then be there.

[Joe Red]

Human extinction.

There is no possibility of world peace. There will always be human confrontation, let's just hope in the future (if we survive) that the level of violence is much lower than the unprecedented amount that has occured within the last 100 years and will come in the immediate future. Perpetual war for perpetual peace?

My guess would be extinction from environmental catastrophe.

[BroChaos Veteran]

you guys ever read rainbow six by tom clancy? interesting stuff...

[nuka_t]

war is human nature, there is no way people would just stop having wars. maybe they wont be nationvs nation but there will be gangs against gangs, or black people vs azns or other "civil war" type situations.

[Winky]

There is no way short of an asteroid strike

that the human race could ever become extinct.

And world Peace isn't a possibility in the near term

so what you are left with is:

Business as usual.

[Japlabot]

I think that would peace will be achieved first.... after some of the poorer/looked down apon races/nations (namely ones in africa, asia, and middle east) are extinct first, probably through a WW3 or beyond. :s

[mAcOdIn Veteran]

There is no way short of an asteroid strike

that the human race could ever become extinct.

And world Peace isn't a possibility in the near term

so what you are left with is:

Business as usual.

My vote as well.

We have the means and stuff now to prevent outright extinction, and world peace will never be acchieved so life goes on.

[threetonesun]

you guys ever read rainbow six by tom clancy? interesting stuff...

lol, I read that and then everytime one of the homeless guys around my old place would disappear I would wonder who stole them for some sort of horrible testing.

[digipoi]

My vote as well.

We have the means and stuff now to prevent outright extinction, and world peace will never be acchieved so life goes on.

Yeah my thoughts as well.

Put another strike next to the Business as Usual result.

[BroChaos Veteran]

lol, I read that and then everytime one of the homeless guys around my old place would disappear I would wonder who stole them for some sort of horrible testing.

haha, yeah, thats funny :p

[Valkyre]

World peace is an ideal, and only that. It can never exist because human nature defies pure utopia.

Therefore, I choose human extinction.

[Winky]

Heh Heh Good one Valkyre

is that like:

"Cake or death?"

"Eh, cake please."

"Very well! Give him cake!"

"Oh, thanks very much. It's very nice."

"You! Cake or death?"

?Uh, cake for me, too, please."

"Very well! Give him cake, too! We're gonna run out of cake at this rate. You! Cake or death?"

"Uh, death, please. No, cake! Cake! Cake, sorry. Sorry..."

"You said death first, uh-uh, death first!"

"Well, I meant cake!"

"Oh, all right. You're lucky I'm Church of England!" Cake or death?"

"Uh, cake please."

"Well, we're out of cake! We only had three bits and we didn't expect such a rush. So what do you want?"

"Well, so my choice is 'or death?? I?ll have the chicken then, please.

?Taste of human, sir. Would you like a white wine? There you go, thank you very much.?

? Thank you for flying Church of England, cake or death?"

[Ian Crosby]

I vote world peace.

Why? I think humans are going to begin colonizing other planets quite soon. Why is this significant do you ask?

50,000 years ago, before the existence of huge empires, conflicts were smaller and more confined. There were no wars with millions of deaths, it was simply village against village. Later, villages started banding together for protection against outside forces. As a general rule, the larger a nation is, the stronger its military power. Thus, as external threats become greater, humans band together into larger and larger nations.

The implication is that once the human race populates multiple worlds, entire planets will have to band together against enemy planets. World peace will be achieved, but peace for all humanity will not.

[DsnBehind]

The one where everybody is dead, hopefully. :|

[Valkyre]

I vote world peace.

Why? I think humans are going to begin colonizing other planets quite soon. Why is this significant do you ask?

50,000 years ago, before the existence of huge empires, conflicts were smaller and more confined. There were no wars with millions of deaths, it was simply village against village. Later, villages started banding together for protection against outside forces. As a general rule, the larger a nation is, the stronger its military power. Thus, as external threats become greater, humans band together into larger and larger nations.

The implication is that once the human race populates multiple worlds, entire planets will have to band together against enemy planets. World peace will be achieved, but peace for all humanity will not.

You would still have the strong possibility of civil wars on each planet.

[Ian Crosby]

I didn't say permanent world peace. :p

[DsnBehind]

I didn't say permanent world peace. :p

Now, you're talking. :devil:

[zhangm Supervisor]

World Peace is the result...human extinction is the means.

[aemon]

50,000 years ago, before the existence of huge empires, conflicts were smaller and more confined. There were no wars with millions of deaths, it was simply village against village.

At some controversial point between 50,000 and 200,000 years ago, homo sapiens (man) experienced a population bottleneck of less than 100,000 individuals (probably far less). The leading theory is that a volcanic eruption in Sumatra 71,000 years ago, followed by the coldest 1,000 years of the last Ice Age, brought widespread famine and death to modern human populations around the world.

I mention this only because not only did humans of that time not possess the means to kill millions, but there were not millions to kill. As to extinction, I think it very likely that we could be nearly wiped out. Combine the ever growing strains of antibiotic resistant viruses with a major natural disaster (such as the Sumatra eruption 71,000 years ago) and we may see something akin to extinction. While total elimination of the species seems unlikely a catastrophic event could reduce our numbers to a staggering low level. Ironically, it would be this point in which we would have our best chance at world peace.

[Liebe]

World Peace is the result...human extinction is the means.

you cant really argue anything else.

[Dave Veteran]

Evolution is the history of the more aggressive flourishing at the expense of meek, it's always been a dog eat dog world, well before even primates existed. Trick is not to be caught wearing the milk-bone underwear.

I have a reasonable about of faith that human beings as a species can survive until the end of the universe, and zero faith in world peace. It just isn't the way successful species have ever operated.

[darksoul]

when there is one human left there will be external world peace, they might be having an internal struggle being the last human and all but that would be world peace before extinction :p

[poind]

Well, I do think humans may well eventually better recognize/evolve the long-term benefits of "group cooperation".

However, I think there are always going to be those who find even short-term gains from surviving off of conflict. It's part of the natural "diversity" of the human race.

General civility is likely to eventually increase as time goes on, but I don't think there's ever going to be outright, permanent, sustainable "world peace".

Human extinction (even humans extinguishing themselves) is far far far more likely than everyone everywhere totally "getting along".

[Si Veteran]

Humans suck. End of story