JohnsonBox Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 China Pulls Plug On Internet BlogsMarch 19, 2004 Two websites being used by tens of thousands of people to post weblogs (blogs) have been shut down by Chinese officials for carrying objectionable content--rumoured to be opinions on a letter from a well-known doctor to China's senior leadership asking them to reassess the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests. The two sites--BlogBus, with more than 15,000 Chinese users, and Blogcn--have both been closed, at least temporarily. Dr. Jiang Yanyong, who reported China's cover-up of the spread of SARS in 2003, asked the Communist Party's Politburo to reverse the official verdict that the student-led movement was a "counter-revolutionary rebellion." His letter was leaked to journalists in early March. Popular Chinese portals, including Sina, Sohu, and NetEase, patrol their sites for "politically incorrect" statements and delete such comments. Last year, Chinese netizens were blocked access to the U.S.-based "Blogspot" Web site. http://www.chinatechnews.com/index.php?act...ype=news&id=951 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxBoy Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 another reason i'm glad i don't live in china.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkcrad Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 yea.... dont like living in china, but certainly proud to be chinese :) guangzhou just scares me :pinch: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnsonBox Posted March 19, 2004 Author Share Posted March 19, 2004 yea.... dont like living in china, but certainly proud to be chinese :)guangzhou just scares me :pinch: (1) Yeah, govt is govt, while citizen is citizen. (2) Guangzhou sucks. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksoul Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 could you use a proxy to circumvent the blocking or would you be thrown in jail for doing that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PseudoRandomDragon Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 You would be thrown in jail for doing that. Circumventing it is not easy. Unfortunately, American companies profit from countries that need/use this kind of technology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPaul Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 Thank god, now if only the other blog sites would get shut down the Internet would be a much better place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Veteran Posted March 19, 2004 Veteran Share Posted March 19, 2004 Thank god, now if only the other blog sites would get shut down the Internet would be a much better place. HAHA ahem Teenage angst has paid off well,But now I'm bored and old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 what a great country (N) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyre Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 China hates access to information, this isn't surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksoul Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 You would be thrown in jail for doing that. Circumventing it is not easy.Unfortunately, American companies profit from countries that need/use this kind of technology. Are you implying they should give it away for free when they have to pay for it? Maybe a non profit should set up a proxy, the us govt had one set up for some country a while back if i remember correctly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PseudoRandomDragon Posted March 20, 2004 Share Posted March 20, 2004 Umm, how about American companies take a stand to not support this. How about people like you and me boycott companies that make technology for the soul purpose of violating human rights in other countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John S. Veteran Posted March 20, 2004 Veteran Share Posted March 20, 2004 Thank god, now if only the other blog sites would get shut down the Internet would be a much better place. that's two comments in two days that have come from some orifice other than your mouth Shameless Promotion for our site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PseudoRandomDragon Posted March 20, 2004 Share Posted March 20, 2004 that's two comments in two days that have come from some orifice other than your mouth **ducks** whoah, hey there, you almost hit me with that mud you were slinging. I hope that was mud anyway.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPaul Posted March 20, 2004 Share Posted March 20, 2004 that's two comments in two days that have come from some orifice other than your mouthhttp://www.modblog.com/template/modblog/ne...header/logo.gif Shameless Promotion for our site What was the other oh my mighty one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted March 21, 2004 Share Posted March 21, 2004 Or you could get over yourselves and accept that China wishes to take a different approach to managing their nation and their ideologies. Alot of people in here preech western values at China, and critizice them for the values they do regard, but China has become alot more liberal then it was, they are taking things slow. Whats more Chinas ideologies havent caused massive bloodshed, granted you have Tiananmen Square, where 20 people protesting were massacred, but how many innocent people have died because of Western ideologies; Sept 11th, Madrid, Bali........indicates to me Western cultures should spend a little less time trying to persuade other nations to accept their values, and a little more time reassessing their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PseudoRandomDragon Posted March 21, 2004 Share Posted March 21, 2004 How can you compare Tiananmen Square to 9/11? If we want other countries and the people of China to think we support giving them their rights, we actually have to support them. They are Chinese people rotting in jail for attempting to gain what we enjoy every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted March 21, 2004 Share Posted March 21, 2004 And there is the fundamental problem, you assume they want your support. China has over a billion people in it, if the social contract between Chineese government and chineese citizens was being violated, no police or army would stop a revolution or riot of a billion people. perhaps the Chineese much like conservatives see the government as a good in society not an evil as Western libertarians have taken to. This amount that cry for western support or that are allegedly rotting in jails, are a minority. Merely because of its hardline stance and communist roots and connections, outsiders would suspect the evil doings from the government. But let us examine the Western states and their crimes. Hrmm what country is holding several thousand people captive delaying and denying justice, and breaking international human right conditions? Could it be the largest western state of them all, oh yes of course its the US. What makes you think your way of living is any better then the Chineese, when apart from the thousands of "terrorists" you hold captive, your prison population would probably rival that of Chinas. Just accept that different cultures, histories, nations, political ideologies, do not have to fall in line with Western Liberalism. To think that liberalism is the only cocievable way would indicate a lack of foresight, closed mindedness and lack of imagination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PseudoRandomDragon Posted March 21, 2004 Share Posted March 21, 2004 The US takes on a more totalitarian form during war time, this was most evident in the World Wars, as people's rights were temporarily suspended. It is just something that happens, too bad the Supreme Court ruled that the government could do it. Of course, that is only during war time. It sucks, but you have to admit that they do have some justification in suspending people's rights temporarily during war. If the Patriot act were whipped up and made law before 9/11, then we would be similar to China with a certain respect (kinda scary). The point is while our restrictions of basic rights are temporary and justifiable (okay, that can be argued), it is different for China. That is how I see it. But yeah, your right. Our government should not interfere with the lives of citizens of other countries. Instead people like me should form a movement in america and protest for Chinese rights. Oh wait, that isn't going to do anything. Darn. Hey, maybe we should have a lot of Chinese people do that. That would be more effective, right? Oh wait, we can't even get them to read our ideas. Darn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemania Posted March 21, 2004 Share Posted March 21, 2004 Whats more Chinas ideologies havent caused massive bloodshed, granted you have Tiananmen Square, where 20 people protesting were massacred, but how many innocent people have died because of Western ideologies; Sept 11th, Madrid, Bali........indicates to me Western cultures should spend a little less time trying to persuade other nations to accept their values, and a little more time reassessing their own. You obviously don't know anthign about the Chinese Governments History ..... People's Republic of China, Mao Zedong's regime (1949-1975) * Rural purges, 1946-49: 2-5M deaths * Urban purges, 1950-57: 1M * Great Leap Forward: 20-43M * Cultural Revolution: 2-7M <--- 70's * Labor Camps: 20M * Tibet: 0.6-1.2M * TOTAL: 44.5 to 72M Just accept that different cultures, histories, nations, political ideologies, do not have to fall in line with Western Liberalism. To think that liberalism is the only cocievable way would indicate a lack of foresight, closed mindedness and lack of imagination. Just for the right for expressing my opinion without being locked up. I for one welcome my new western overloads (Even though I don't agree that human right and freedom equates Western Liberalism). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted March 21, 2004 Share Posted March 21, 2004 Well I was only referring to events of the modern era, eg since China adopted Free Market economics with powerful government, but feel free to bring up your un referenced, past events, statistical sheet. Please illuminate to me a place where human rights and freedom dont end in a Western Liberal ideologically driven political system. The majority of the Chinese population enjoy luxuries and liberties they previously didnt have,they might be no were on a scale to the percieved freedom you and I take for granted. However it is a slow and evolving conservate process that China undergoes, and in the end I suspect China will probably adopt an Edmund Burke conservative society, however it takes time, and they will get there in their own way, and with the culture and convictions right for their nation, not by westerners constantly trying to ursurp the power of the chinese soverign state, with their criticisms and activisms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemania Posted March 22, 2004 Share Posted March 22, 2004 (edited) So basically you're saying that China should be allowed to do whatever it wants and the rest of the world shold turn their back ? Whats more Chinas ideologies havent caused massive bloodshed, granted you have Tiananmen Square, where 20 people protesting were massacred, but how many innocent people have died because of Western ideologies Well I was only referring to events of the modern era, eg since China adopted Free Market economics with powerful government, but feel free to bring up your un referenced, past events, statistical sheet. Chinese "ideology ? its only appropriate to bring up the past of that government. But for somethign more recent, China's attempt to crush the HK's democratic movement, calling the opposition leader traitors through the HK's media outlets and the threat of invasion on Taiwan. Granted, no dead bodies yet but to accept their ideology as you suggested where it could impede my rights and freedom. That would be unacceptable for me. Edited March 22, 2004 by davemania24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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