FearMeAll Posted March 22, 2004 Share Posted March 22, 2004 They're both deceivers. Neither of them is going to do what they say they are simply because they can't. Congress spends the real money and without a line item veto all this talk of Kerry vs. Bush is nonsense. Might as well stop arguing about it because it doesn?t matter who wins, spending will increase, taxes will increase and with that a self perpetuating cycle that neither party has the stones to really do anything about. If you don?t believe me, look back over the last however many years you want. We always trend up. Higher spending and higher taxes. You aren?t going to change that with either guy. You are right about neither party having the stones to do anything about it. Both sides are cowards with these issues. I at least want to slow down the process, but I think the US in inevitably headed to being a completely socialist nation, then it will crumble, rebuild as a capitalist nation once again, slowly become more socialist as people become lazy, and so the cycle will continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 Kerry is rich and is in favor of taxing the rich, he is no cheap ass, practices what he preaches, its that simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digipoi Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 The entire basis of this thread is silly. An "Anti-Kerry Debate"? That makes no sense. Someone needs to look up the word debate. I agree, but still, we hear alot of crap about Bush daily in this board. this thread was meant (Im assuming) in hearing why Kerry is supposed to be better than Mr. Bush, or whats his better qualities, better game plans, to sway the thread starter, or us Bush supporters to vote for Kerry. Really havent heard much at all but, Shrub is bad, Kerry will increase taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3beanlimit Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 WTF? you do realize that small business owners are typically those making 200 grand or more a year and that Kerry is calling these people the "wealthy" that should be taxed even more.He wants to hike taxes on small businesses and this causes employers to fire people. My dad owns a small business, makes a little over 200grand a year, and pays taxes out the nose. When the taxes go up, he fires people, when they are cut he hires more. It's really a simple concept. He always tells me how he has to make twice what he wants in order to get half it. How can you view Kerry as the champion of small business? Sorry, no pudding for you......Kerry isn't calling a business making over 200,000, wealthy...he's talking about individuals...and he's only asking that the 2 percent go back to what their taxes were during the Clinton years.....A time when they actually MADE more money as a whole than right now.. Kerry during the debates, actually wants to cut taxes on small business simply because he knows full well that they are the backbone of the economy.... Which I might add, the President doesn't seem to understand. Not that he's not for business....he is...only it's BIG business...like tax cuts for the top 3 energy companies...who I might also add...MADE a KILLING before and especially AFTER them tax cuts. The reason for them? So they would invest the extra income into more refinerys.......What happened? My guess by looking at the cost of gas is that those top people in them companies made a killing in the last few years... Now if someone can point me to a credible site suggesting otherwise, I'll stand corrected....Credible is the catch word here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isomer Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 Sorry, no pudding for you......Kerry isn't calling a business making over 200,000, wealthy...he's talking about individuals... hey bunkie... Individuals own a company as well as individuals own company stock/shares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destian Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 hey bunkie... Individuals own a company as well as individuals own company stock/shares All right, we'll try this one last time. Yes, individuals can own companies, and yes, those individuals can conceivably make more than 200,000USD/year. If an individuals income is greater than 200,00USD/year then he is considered wealthy. However, if a smalls business owner's (or large business owner for that matter) company makes more than 200,000USD/year that does not necessarily mean he is considered wealthy. One's personal income is the determining factor, not the ammount of money his company makes. Now, yes or no, do you understand this? Read it more than once if you need to. Just a simple yes or no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Veteran Posted March 23, 2004 Veteran Share Posted March 23, 2004 I would personally like it if no one spoke about Bush in here any more than has already been done. From my perspective, Kerry seems to avoid a lot of issues and likes to feed off of Bush's "mistakes". Let me say that it's obvious Bush isn't the greatest president (not that there haven't been worse) but I for one would like to know what Kerry stands for and why he is the best candidate. There is too much anti-Bush floating around in our society, and not enough pro-anyone. We get it, Kerry hates Bush, now what's he going to do if he is elected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destian Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 I would personally like it if no one spoke about Bush in here any more than has already been done. From my perspective, Kerry seems to avoid a lot of issues and likes to feed off of Bush's "mistakes". Let me say that it's obvious Bush isn't the greatest president (not that there haven't been worse) but I for one would like to know what Kerry stands for and why he is the best candidate. There is too much anti-Bush floating around in our society, and not enough pro-anyone. We get it, Kerry hates Bush, now what's he going to do if he is elected? This is being discussed in the "Why vote for you candidate" thread. Don't expect anything worth reading in a thread named "Anti -John Kerry Debate?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digipoi Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 This is being discussed in the "Why vote for you candidate" thread. Don't expect anything worth reading in a thread named "Anti -John Kerry Debate?" Then "you" should not even be posting here in the first place unless "you" want to elaborate on Kerrys primo game plan or defend Kerrys position. Which I have yet to see. "No no, Bush is bad! How bout that Turkey?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destian Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 Then "you" should not even be posting here in the first place unless "you" want to elaborate on Kerrys primo game plan or defend Kerrys position. Which I have yet to see."No no, Bush is bad! How bout that Turkey?" It's in the thread I just mentioned, as I just mentioned. /me boggles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digipoi Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 It's in the thread I just mentioned, as I just mentioned./me boggles Right! good, hey, I know, close the thread then. /me boggles why you cant close the thread. :wacko: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PseudoRandomDragon Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 We get it, Kerry hates Bush, now what's he going to do if he is elected? You're probably not going to like this answer, but he is going to clean up what Bush messed up. At least Kerry better do so if he is elected. :crazy: I hope he will bring things back to "normalcy". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3beanlimit Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 hey bunkie... Individuals own a company as well as individuals own company stock/shares True...but those are two seperate issues.....What you earn vs what your company earns are two different things. As such, that is the point of my post. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Veteran Posted March 24, 2004 Veteran Share Posted March 24, 2004 You're probably not going to like this answer, but he is going to clean up what Bush messed up. At least Kerry better do so if he is elected. :crazy: I hope he will bring things back to "normalcy". You're right, I didn't like that answer ;) I'm asking what specifically is Kerry going to do, assuming he's elected? According to most pro-Kerry/democrats, there are too many things Bush "messed up" for me to begin to make any of my own assumptions as to what Kerry will "clean up", so I'd like to know exactly what Kerry's plan is for this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PseudoRandomDragon Posted March 24, 2004 Share Posted March 24, 2004 Watch him on TV. Listen to what he says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isomer Posted March 24, 2004 Share Posted March 24, 2004 Watch him on TV. Listen to what he says. Then wait an hour and he'll say something else. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winky Posted March 24, 2004 Share Posted March 24, 2004 I got this today from a buddy who was real combat veteran so why not post it: Besides Kerry is going to lose in November bigger than Mondale did in 84. ------------------- John Kerry on Defense I hadn't seen this list printed until today. It would make one helluva mailer if it were sent to voters. (So... send it to as many voters as you can!) He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank He voted to kill every Aircraft carrier laid down from 1988 He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system He voted to Kill the F-15 strike eagle He voted to Kill the Block 60 F-16 He voted to Kill the P-3 Orion upgrade He voted to Kill the B-1 He voted to Kill the B-2 He voted to Kill the Patriot anti Missile system He voted to Kill the FA-18 He voted to Kill the F117 In short, he voted to kill every military appropriation for the development and deployment of every weapons systems since 1988 including the battle armor for our troops. With Kerry as president our Army will be made up of naked men running around with sticks and clubs. He also voted to kill all anti terrorism activities of every agency of the U.S. Government and to cut the funding of the FBI by 60%, to cut the funding for the CIA by 80%, and cut the funding for the NSA by 80%. But then he voted to increase OUR funding for U.N operations by 800%!!! Is THIS a President YOU want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Veteran Posted March 24, 2004 Veteran Share Posted March 24, 2004 He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting VehicleHe voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank He voted to kill every Aircraft carrier laid down from 1988 He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system He voted to Kill the F-15 strike eagle He voted to Kill the Block 60 F-16 He voted to Kill the P-3 Orion upgrade He voted to Kill the B-1 He voted to Kill the B-2 He voted to Kill the Patriot anti Missile system He voted to Kill the FA-18 He voted to Kill the F117 In short, he voted to kill every military appropriation for the development and deployment of every weapons systems since 1988 including the battle armor for our troops. With Kerry as president our Army will be made up of naked men running around with sticks and clubs. He also voted to kill all anti terrorism activities of every agency of the U.S. Government and to cut the funding of the FBI by 60%, to cut the funding for the CIA by 80%, and cut the funding for the NSA by 80%. But then he voted to increase OUR funding for U.N operations by 800%!!! Can anyone verify this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winky Posted March 24, 2004 Share Posted March 24, 2004 Yawn, what you are to lazy to research his voting record ZZzzzzzzz..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Veteran Posted March 24, 2004 Veteran Share Posted March 24, 2004 No, just that I'm not sure where to start looking :blush: I'm not very active in the political arena, but I know what I agree with and what I don't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winky Posted March 24, 2004 Share Posted March 24, 2004 Oh sorry My bad So if all that was true would it say something about Kerry??? Gimme a sec. and I'll verify it for Ya's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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