goheels681 Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 I'm not totally sure if this is the right fourm, but for the people that believe in Darwinism, saying we evolved from the ape family, I have a question for you. Out of curiosity, what do you believe made what you evolved from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goheels681 Posted June 11, 2004 Author Share Posted June 11, 2004 Can someone fix the title, I meant to say Darwin Creation Question. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted June 11, 2004 Veteran Share Posted June 11, 2004 Don't forget to read up on how the dinosaur bones were put in the ground to confuse the scientists and other non-believers: https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?show...609 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aem4162 Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 I'm not totally sure if this is the right fourm, but for the people that believe in Darwinism, saying we evolved from the ape family, I have a question for you. Out of curiosity, what do you believe made what you evolved from? this is what i evolved from: WELL...there was the big bang. then the planets formed and cooled. there were little living beasties in the primordial sludge; they met, dated, got married, and made more primordial sludge. each generation was a wee bit more complicated from the previous. then dinosaurs were added from someone's dinosaur terrarium. those dinosaurs made more dinosaurs. birds evolved from dinosaurs so that they could poo on new paint jobs millions of years in the future. there were several periods of mass extinctions so that most of the animals could die off and make oil. the ones that didn't die off evolved into other animals. people evolved from apes in africa. back then, it was a beach....you can see footprints in rock because it used to be sand. the apes went to the beach to get tans and build sand castles. termite mounds are really fossilized sand castles. the continents were one big mass and animals and people went to visit each other. the land mass drifted apart to form the continents. australia drifted the farthest so that it could evolve strange animals and aussies. the great pyramids were built by intergalactic contractors. stonehenge was built with leftovers from the pyramids because the english felt left out. then the scots felt left out because england had a circle of stones so the contractors gave them the callanish standing stones. people moved to france because it needed artists for the caves, but they became disillusioned and turned into the huns. the romans tried to take over the world by building hadrians wall in england. china was jealous of this and decided to build their own wall and tell everyone it was visible from space. thousands of years passed before the astronauts said that they were lying. china got mad and made the terra cotta warriors but then decided that they weren't that scary if they were made out of clay. back in italy, galileo discovered human-powered flight but didn't fly anything because he was busy discovering other stuff. the wright bros rediscovered flight and went to north carolina because it was known for its' wind. england was invaded by the normans and they made the bayeune tapestry to celebrate it. italy invented catholics so that they could have a pope because they could decide on which pagan god was the coolest. then the pope invented the inquisition because he was afraid that people didn't believe in him. pilgrims got mad at england because they had to believe in something that they didn't believe in so they went to america to find people and force them to believe in stuff that they didn't believe in. henry viii invented divorce because he wanted a son. the people in the colonies got mad at england for taxing their tea so they had a war on july 4, 1776 to tell geo iii to go away. abraham lincoln discovered gettysburg in time to write a speech about it. they he won the war and liberated the slaves. america single-handedly won wwi. then the bolsheviks killed the romanovs so that they could invent communism. then america single-handedly won wwii and the korean war, which wasn't really a war, but was referred to as one so that the show mash could be filmed in california. the vietnam war was declared a draw because the americans couldn't win it. richard nixon was booted from office because he taped conversations without telling the people that they might be recorded for customer service purposes. aids was invented by monkees because they were fed up with being lab animals. ronald reagan destroyed communism when he told the commies to take a wall down because it violated zoning laws and was built without a permit. bill clinton discovered a new use for cigars so that they wouldn't cause cancer. then geo bush was appointed to be the president so that he could make up new words for the english language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 I'm not totally sure if this is the right fourm, but for the people that believe in Darwinism, saying we evolved from the ape family, I have a question for you. Out of curiosity, what do you believe made what you evolved from? we evolved from the same origens of the ape family, not "the apes" :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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.... Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 WELL...there was the big bang. then the planets formed From what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdb815 Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 From what? Where did God come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemania Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 From what? http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa...4F483414B7F0000 read it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.... Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 Where did God come from? Same place, I presume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aem4162 Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 From what? what was left over from a previous universe. the universe keeps cycling through its' life span and starts over when it's time. it's either that or a mistake with a chemistry se;);) sometimes a person just can't comprehend time on that scale. i know i can't. BUT...i do know that the universe is a physical thing and that we can use telescopes to see what used to be. god is not a physical thing. god is something made up by people who need a reason for stuff instead of trying to discover it for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Veteran Posted June 12, 2004 Veteran Share Posted June 12, 2004 what was left over from a previous universe. the universe keeps cycling through its' life span and starts over when it's time. That's just a theory, albeit a very interesting one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caustiK Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 you're asking the age-old question of how everything came to be. god vs. science. i don't think anyone will ever come up with a satisfactory explanation to 'how everything got here.' you can argue for god, but i don't really see all that much evidence that would make an arguement for science invalid. i think it's possible 'something' created the universe, but then you have the obvious question of what created that 'something'. and if you say 'nothing because it's god and we can't understand' like *some* people, why couldn't we just say the same thing about the universe and cut out the middle man? honestly i don't know, and no one does for sure. i think it's something everyone has to decide individually. whether or not there is a god however, i don't believe most religions (that i've come into contact with) actually represent the true will of god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyntek Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 Don't forget to read up on how the dinosaur bones were put in the ground to confuse the scientists and other non-believers:https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?show...609 Conspiracy theorist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyntek Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 you're asking the age-old question of how everything came to be. god vs. science. i don't think anyone will ever come up with a satisfactory explanation to 'how everything got here.' you can argue for god, but i don't really see all that much evidence that would make an arguement for science invalid. i think it's possible 'something' created the universe, but then you have the obvious question of what created that 'something'. and if you say 'nothing because it's god and we can't understand' like *some* people, why couldn't we just say the same thing about the universe and cut out the middle man? honestly i don't know, and no one does for sure. i think it's something everyone has to decide individually. whether or not there is a god however, i don't believe most religions (that i've come into contact with) actually represent the true will of god. Well here is how I see it. God didn't tell us the whole sotry. The bible, specificallly Genesis, if it was told by God to the writer of Genesis, was written in a way that those with litlle to no scientific knowledge would be able to understand. I think science and God can co-exists. God may have sewn the seeds of life here on this planet but let if form on its own, letting life evolve, and when a sentient being evolved, certain things were told to them, but not everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b3n Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 theory i belive is the universe is now expanding, we can tell this from the red shift from stars which shows that light is being streched from other universes which mean the space inbetween the universes is expanding. Eventually the expanding will run out of energy. Atoms in the universe will then rush back to the point in which they originated in a straight line. The universe will then colapse into a singular point. The heat from the friction will cause it to explode again. Exactly the same as before becuase atoms travel in a straight line. And because it exploded exactly the same as before. The atoms will be in the same place as last time so life will begin again exactly how it is now. And becuase the atoms that make up your brain will be in exactly the same place as last time the same atoms will be there. So you will have the same chemical make up in your head. So you will be the same person. it may be a bit insane. but what created the original matter is a mystery to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdb815 Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 Well here is how I see it. God didn't tell us the whole sotry. The bible, specificallly Genesis, if it was told by God to the writer of Genesis, was written in a way that those with litlle to no scientific knowledge would be able to understand. I think science and God can co-exists. God may have sewn the seeds of life here on this planet but let if form on its own, letting life evolve, and when a sentient being evolved, certain things were told to them, but not everything. That makes sense, but so do a lot of other theories. The bottom line is NOBODY KNOWS, and we will never know. Maybe there is a God and we are just his/her science experiment, maybe the "God" we often refer to are in fact super intelligent aliens from a distant planet, or maybe God doesn't exist and we all formed form amino acids from a comet. There are a lot of good theories out there, and people really need to just accept the fact that we don't know who we are or what's going to happen to us in the future, we all just need to chill out and learn to swim, lol. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caustiK Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 Well here is how I see it. God didn't tell us the whole sotry. The bible, specificallly Genesis, if it was told by God to the writer of Genesis, was written in a way that those with litlle to no scientific knowledge would be able to understand. I think science and God can co-exists. God may have sewn the seeds of life here on this planet but let if form on its own, letting life evolve, and when a sentient being evolved, certain things were told to them, but not everything. oh, i think you can definitely make that argument. when i said "god vs. science" i meant specifically the creationist part. some people seem to go ape-sh*t when they hear the word evolution, but it is only the creation part that conflicts in my view. i think you're right - if there is a god, he used evolution/science as a means for creation of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoyablue Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 oh, i think you can definitely make that argument. when i said "god vs. science" i meant specifically the creationist part. some people seem to go ape-sh*t when they hear the word evolution, but it is only the creation part that conflicts in my view. i think you're right - if there is a god, he used evolution/science as a means for creation of life. I'd rather say that there is a conflict between "Science" and "Philosophy". Whereas philosophy subsumes religious content which really is just a... philosophy. It is also noted that philosophy has stopped science in its tracks while science as done the same. In example of this can be seen in the "Time Machine". Scientists believed that creating one would be possible by inducing enough negative energy to step through a wormhole and come out the other side. However, the philosophers shot back be stating "if you went back to kill your father and you did, you would cease to exist and thus would've never been able to kill your father in the first place." I know I'm babbling, but even if you don't believe in philosophy subsuming religion, at the very least it's safe to say that a trichotomy exists between religion, science, and philosophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotwheelz Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 Could the big bang theory match up with God creating us? Could it be that God created us using a Big Bang? Ive long thought that evolution and creation could come together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Veteran Posted June 12, 2004 Veteran Share Posted June 12, 2004 Don't forget to read up on how the dinosaur bones were put in the ground to confuse the scientists and other non-believers: :laugh: (Y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyntek Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 I'd rather say that there is a conflict between "Science" and "Philosophy". Whereas philosophy subsumes religious content which really is just a... philosophy. It is also noted that philosophy has stopped science in its tracks while science as done the same. In example of this can be seen in the "Time Machine". Scientists believed that creating one would be possible by inducing enough negative energy to step through a wormhole and come out the other side. However, the philosophers shot back be stating "if you went back to kill your father and you did, you would cease to exist and thus would've never been able to kill your father in the first place." I know I'm babbling, but even if you don't believe in philosophy subsuming religion, at the very least it's safe to say that a trichotomy exists between religion, science, and philosophy. Well this is getting on a whole different topic but I'll give it a shot. Continuing on the whole "killing your father" theme, that would create a rip in the space-time continuoum (little science fiction babble, I know, sounds stupid.) But there may be another theory. That of seperate time-lines. I believe each possible decision that a person could make has it's own timeline so therefore if you did thoeretically go back in time to kill your father, you would cease to exists, but would not cause problems with the Space-Time continuoum becasue for the point you killed your father, a new timeline would be created Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoyablue Posted June 12, 2004 Share Posted June 12, 2004 Well this is getting on a whole different topic but I'll give it a shot. Continuing on the whole "killing your father" theme, that would create a rip in the space-time continuoum (little science fiction babble, I know, sounds stupid.) But there may be another theory. That of seperate time-lines. I believe each possible decision that a person could make has it's own timeline so therefore if you did thoeretically go back in time to kill your father, you would cease to exists, but would not cause problems with the Space-Time continuoum becasue for the point you killed your father, a new timeline would be created Very correct! It was discussed as a matter of "parallel realities" being created. A professor at Oxford University started firing photons of soms sort and half of the ended up in another reality! That could be a possible explanation, however, that doesn't change the fact that philosophy and science often conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goheels681 Posted June 12, 2004 Author Share Posted June 12, 2004 Actually, I was just asking about what people that believe in the Darwin theory think that the first being evolved from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aem4162 Posted June 13, 2004 Share Posted June 13, 2004 Actually, I was just asking about what people that believe in the Darwin theory think that the first being evolved from i answered that in my previous post :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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