Piepke Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 I can't believe governments are allowing this!!! Animals If it's been posted before, so what! Look @ it again :angry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linsook Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 this disgusted me.... made me very sad to watch it. i pitty the animals but it wont change my eating habits. i love meat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Biscuits Brown MVC Posted June 18, 2004 MVC Share Posted June 18, 2004 Since humans are by nature omnivorous (chemically and physiologically designed to eat meat as well as vegetables) and there are billions of people it is hard to imagine any other way to get the quantity of meat products we desire so efficiently. Until we are knocked off our post as 'top of the food chain', don't count on anything changing. My concern is that there are places on this planet where PEOPLE are treated worse than the way animals are in that video. For me, people are more important than chickens. PETA on the otherhand turns a blind eye to human suffering to promote animal rights. Seems backwards to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Veteran Posted June 18, 2004 Veteran Share Posted June 18, 2004 Since humans are by nature omnivorous (chemically and physiologically designed to eat meat as well as vegetables) and there are billions of people it is hard to imagine any other way to get the quantity of meat products we desire so efficiently. Until we are knocked off our post as 'top of the food chain', don't count on anything changing. My concern is that there are places on this planet where PEOPLE are treated worse than the way animals are in that video. For me, people are more important than chickens. PETA on the otherhand turns a blind eye to human suffering to promote animal rights. Seems backwards to me. Argeed PETA manages to do nothing but annoy people, myself included. Chickens for instance owe their continued existence as a species to the fact that they are so docile (and delicious!), otherwise they would have been wiped out by something because they would have served no purpose to human beings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemo Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 Argeed PETA manages to do nothing but annoy people, myself included. Chickens for instance owe their continued existence as a species to the fact that they are so docile (and delicious!), otherwise they would have been wiped out by something because they would have served no purpose to human beings. yeah chickens along with pigs and the majority of other farm animals that we eat. if it wasn't for the fact that we eat them they would all die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threetonesun Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 It annoys the crap out of me when someone goes to jail for mistreating animals. While I think it's cruel, they're still just animals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piepke Posted June 18, 2004 Author Share Posted June 18, 2004 So you agree with this kind of treatment? Wow, maybe we should switch places with those animals for a day... And don't talk about people getting treated even worse on some places on our planet, you don't want them to be treated like that too do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b3n Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 i used to be vegetarian but mcdonalds got the better of me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemo Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 So you agree with this kind of treatment? Wow, maybe we should switch places with those animals for a day...And don't talk about people getting treated even worse on some places on our planet, you don't want them to be treated like that too do you? I spent two semesters debating this for my english classes. I didn't watch that video, i don't plan to - because i don't like peta. I don't think animals should be tortured - basically certain things in medical use... like the Draize and LD50 tests... blah blah blah lol who said i was going to talk about that? i didn't watch the video, so i don't know what happens, but i'm sure i've seen the video, or something of the sort. And yes, i can gaurantee there are people who get treated worse - but that's not the point. I'm going to eat meat for as long as i live - unless i get some disease where the second meat goes into my body i just keel over and die without warning. Otherwise, i :wub: meat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clonk Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 If people would pay 8 dollars for a pound of 80/20 ground beef, then we could see better treatment for the animals. But people demand cheap prices, so the treatment these animals recieve is in direct correlation to everyone's desire to eat as cheap as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoyablue Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 I think even vegetarions are a contradiction at some point... Imagine, the mass forests we destroy to put up more houses for human beings are the same forests these animals live in. In essense, we are coercing an animal to leave their habitat. I surmise that any vegetarian who does not eat meat on the principle that it is wrong to harm animals and lives in a house which resides in an area where animals use to live is living a contradiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PseudoRandomDragon Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 Unless people can gain nourishment from the sun, they will have to eat something living. Here are the reasons why some people don't eat meat: 1) It is healthier, though special attention must be made to ensure that enough protein is consumed. 2) The animals they eat have feelings and sometimes exibit traits that humans have as well. Because of this, they conclude that eating an animal is just as bad as killing a human. 3) Religous reasons. 4) They think an animal is "cute", so they refuse to eat it. The only problem I have with PETA is that they are trying to impose their morals (sometimes violently) on other people when their own morals are flawed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Biscuits Brown MVC Posted June 18, 2004 MVC Share Posted June 18, 2004 So you agree with this kind of treatment? Wow, maybe we should switch places with those animals for a day...And don't talk about people getting treated even worse on some places on our planet, you don't want them to be treated like that too do you? No I don't agree with this treatment of animals but I am not going to get worked up over it until we have taken care of the HUMANS. I have my priorities in order - People first, animals second - no exceptions. Until all the peoples of the world can live lives that are free from that kind of abuse I could care less about helping the animals. I only have a limited amount of time and financial resources to spare. I donate those resources to helping the humans because you have to start with the cause most likely to improve the world as a whole. For example, if my donations help produce a cure for AIDS and millions of lives are spared, then my God man, I did a far better thing for the planet than saving some chickens or pigs. Of those millions of people I saved, some will become doctors or scientists. Some might invent new technologies. Your chickens however will do nothing. They will just eat, producing nothing of value (unless one of my new scientists creates a technology using chicken poop). I said it before and I'll say it again. It?s all about priorities. I have mine in the order that logically make the most sense. If you don't want to eat meat, don't. If you don't like the way animals are raised and killed for food and food by-products then stop eating then by all means stop participating in the system that allows this to happen. Throw out your leather shoes, and your belt. Rip out your leather car interior and replace it with vinyl or 'cloth' (note: non-leather car fabrics are made from petroleum based so you?re protesting against the ethical treatment of animals but bolstering the evil oil companies). Stop eating butter and cheese because conditions on the dairy farms producing these products are also grossly un-ethical to dairy cows and goats. Never mind the fact that nearly a million people were maimed, tortured, raped and killed for no reason in Sudan. Never mind the people starving in third world nations because of the corruption of their governments. Never mind the innocent people that are victims in armed conflicts. Never mind the potential dangers of global warming (depending on your thoughts regarding this). Never mind the potential threats caused by the proliferation of weapons grade nuclear material or the loss of clean drinking water. Damn to all of these - but lets save the chickens and pigs from such horrible deaths. I think there are bigger problems that need addressing than how our food stock is handled and destroyed. Once again I am not saying what we do to the animals is 'right', I'm just saying right now they have to wait their turn while we work on other larger issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piepke Posted June 18, 2004 Author Share Posted June 18, 2004 If people would pay 8 dollars for a pound of 80/20 ground beef, then we could see better treatment for the animals. But people demand cheap prices, so the treatment these animals recieve is in direct correlation to everyone's desire to eat as cheap as possible. If you looked at the video you would've seen that the animals are still alive while they are hung on hooks to get slaughtered. They could've killed them 1st so this has nothing to do with the price of food. For all those who dislike PETA, I don't know PETA (until this morning when I saw this video) and I'm not going to support PETA with donations and protests and fights blablabla but I wanted to point out how the animals were treated so everyone of you could think about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piepke Posted June 18, 2004 Author Share Posted June 18, 2004 No I don't agree with this treatment of animals but I am not going to get worked up over it until we have taken care of the HUMANS. I have my priorities in order - People first, animals second - no exceptions. Until all the peoples of the world can live lives that are free from that kind of abuse I could care less about helping the animals. I only have a limited amount of time and financial resources to spare. I donate those resources to helping the humans because you have to start with the cause most likely to improve the world as a whole. For example, if my donations help produce a cure for AIDS and millions of lives are spared, then my God man, I did a far better thing for the planet than saving some chickens or pigs. Of those millions of people I saved, some will become doctors or scientists. Some might invent new technologies. Your chickens however will do nothing. They will just eat, producing nothing of value (unless one of my new scientists creates a technology using chicken poop). I said it before and I'll say it again. It?s all about priorities. I have mine in the order that logically make the most sense. If you don't want to eat meat, don't. If you don't like the way animals are raised and killed for food and food by-products then stop eating then by all means stop participating in the system that allows this to happen. Throw out your leather shoes, and your belt. Rip out your leather car interior and replace it with vinyl or 'cloth' (note: non-leather car fabrics are made from petroleum based so you?re protesting against the ethical treatment of animals but bolstering the evil oil companies). Stop eating butter and cheese because conditions on the dairy farms producing these products are also grossly un-ethical to dairy cows and goats. Never mind the fact that nearly a million people were maimed, tortured, raped and killed for no reason in Sudan. Never mind the people starving in third world nations because of the corruption of their governments. Never mind the innocent people that are victims in armed conflicts. Never mind the potential dangers of global warming (depending on your thoughts regarding this). Never mind the potential threats caused by the proliferation of weapons grade nuclear material or the loss of clean drinking water. Damn to all of these - but lets save the chickens and pigs from such horrible deaths. I think there are bigger problems that need addressing than how our food stock is handled and destroyed. Once again I am not saying what we do to the animals is 'right', I'm just saying right now they have to wait their turn while we work on other larger issues. Sounds sick to me... leave all the other problems as is until your main priority is solved... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glowstick Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 PETA has a talent to blow everything out of proportion. They'd better shift to penis enlargements, more money to be made! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Biscuits Brown MVC Posted June 18, 2004 MVC Share Posted June 18, 2004 Sounds sick to me... leave all the other problems as is until your main priority is solved... Pierreken, my main priorty is people then animals. There are litteraly tens of thousands of issues that directly impact the quality of life for humans on this planet. I am not going to say the way animals are cared for isn't horrible because it is. All I am saying is that I think my time, engery and money is better suited by helping people. If taking care of people first and animals second is 'sick' then once again, you may want to examine your own priorities a bit. And if you have a problem with that video, consider that in Sudan over the last several years it was not uncommon for people (you know, mothers, little kids etc. ) to be gutted while still alive. I'm sorry but I think a person hanging on a hook being gutted while still alive is FAR worse than a pig. I wish the pig didn't have to endure that but for now it does. I still don't see how you can put the animal suffering above human suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threetonesun Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 So you agree with this kind of treatment? Wow, maybe we should switch places with those animals for a day...And don't talk about people getting treated even worse on some places on our planet, you don't want them to be treated like that too do you? Yeah, and then I could be an animal with no ability to reason. Gosh my life sucks. Wait, no it doesn't, because I don't know any better! They're animals! Get over it. I treat my dog with respect because if I didn't, I'd expect her to bite me. But if we're raising animals for the purpose of food, their nothing more than a commodity. I mean, if you have a problem with the way its done, go out and hunt for meat and tell me how humane that is :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lardiop Veteran Posted June 18, 2004 Veteran Share Posted June 18, 2004 OMG... Meat is AWESOME :D I go through tubs of that dried up sausage stuff and jerky all the time. Great for late night frag sessions. Animals are here for US to EAT (Y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.... Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 I can't believe governments are allowing this!!!Animals If it's been posted before, so what! Look @ it again :angry: *yawn* They are animals. Not people. And I am hungry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Veteran Posted June 18, 2004 Veteran Share Posted June 18, 2004 Wow to be honest I thought there would be a whole grouping of people back up this video here in RWI. Trumpet blaring and shouts for "FREE THE CHICKENS!" I'd like to thank all of this forum collectively for surprising me. If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them so delicious after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lardiop Veteran Posted June 18, 2004 Veteran Share Posted June 18, 2004 *yawn*They are animals. Not people. And I am hungry. (Y)Y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threetonesun Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them so delicious after all. How do you know people with some A1 isn't delicious too? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuantumTrickery Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 They could be, but people aren't available at my favorite steak place in convenient sized peices. I'll stick with my cow thanks. Frankly I don't care much how they end up on my plate, I'm still gonna eat it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Veteran Posted June 18, 2004 Veteran Share Posted June 18, 2004 How do you know people with some A1 isn't delicious too? You sold me, well off to 7-11 for some soilent green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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