Alphisb0t Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 Limiting HALF OPEN connections, known as SYN for those who have any idea what is going on, doesn't make it any better. This is mostly an attempt at stopping SYN scanning techniques which has evaded firewalls for a very long time. Do you really think that limiting the Half Open connections will do anything beneficial? Why not leave it alone completely, as it should be? Why add the overhead of having to queue pending connection attempts because the current application is using its SP2 alloted quota of 10 current connections? That will give the system MORE things to handle, more memory usage, and slower speeds handling it! And for what? To SLOW DOWN worms? To SLOW DOWN SYN scanners? Do you seriously think its worth that? Not only that but it effects filesharing applications. Do you think its worth it? If you answered yes feel free to hang up your brain and balls and proceed to the exit marked "AOL+Microsoft love at last". Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/201363-general-sp2-tweak-2-get-rid-of-tcpip-limit/page/2/#findComment-584340080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryanjmchale Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 Dont forget to select Unblock as well in the tcpip properties :) http://homepage.ntlworld.com/voodoo.mchale...pproperties.jpg Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/201363-general-sp2-tweak-2-get-rid-of-tcpip-limit/page/2/#findComment-584340667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FBtje Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 hmm.. I've never seen that unblock button :woot: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/201363-general-sp2-tweak-2-get-rid-of-tcpip-limit/page/2/#findComment-584341427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
meb18 Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 Wow, rampant ignorance all over the place on this. This will in no way hinder filesharing that's configured properly. The limit is on INCOMPLETE connections, so now with this patch you have 50 incomplete connections at a time instead of 10. Congradulations? It only slows down/blocks connections that would not be completed anyway. It does not prevent you from doing anything at all. I see this change as immensely beneficial and will cause any new worms/trojans to spread far more slowly or not at all. Disabling this protection makes all of us less secure in the future. There is NO GOOD REASON for the avg person to be installing this hack. Ever. Also, installing a 3rd party hack over something important as tcpip.sys is a really stupid idea that could open you up to vulnerabilities in the future. But you can have as many failed connections as you want though, right? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/201363-general-sp2-tweak-2-get-rid-of-tcpip-limit/page/2/#findComment-584341668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildies Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 I dont have thats unblock option in my TCP/IP File inspite i have changed it.. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/201363-general-sp2-tweak-2-get-rid-of-tcpip-limit/page/2/#findComment-584341764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
severach Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 Since a large torrent takes a good 5 minutes to get all the connections going, I don't see how a delay will affect anything at all. A slowdown must be due to some other bug. I have yet to see anyone post: Yay, I applied the patch and everything is faster. Microsoft is the suck! Besides all the torrent clients I've used have connection limits. If there is an issue, it's up to the client authors to work around it. Does anyone really think that Microsoft can implement a one shot kill to P2P sharing? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/201363-general-sp2-tweak-2-get-rid-of-tcpip-limit/page/2/#findComment-584342817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobsgrg Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 I've not noticed BitTorrent downloads going any slower after installing SP2, so I shall for one be leaving at the current limit of 10. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/201363-general-sp2-tweak-2-get-rid-of-tcpip-limit/page/2/#findComment-584343104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamthief Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 From what i tested on my computer. I found out that some p2p apps aren't affected and some are. Not affected Kazaa Lite Kazaa Bittorrent clients DirectConnect Affected Gnutella, Gnutella 2 based clients Edonkey, Overnet, Emule clients Ares, Warez P2P Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/201363-general-sp2-tweak-2-get-rid-of-tcpip-limit/page/2/#findComment-584343125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pookster Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 It's interesting to see everyone arguing over the TCP/IP limit fix. Some of you say it does affect speed and file sharing, while others say it doesn't affect it at all. Well, when I was using file sharing, I received really slow connections as soon as I switched to SP2. Also, when I was running these programs and used Internet Explorer, IE's speed was EXTREMELY slow. So I decided to apply this TCPIP.SYS patch for the hell of it and see if it worked. Well folks, it did. My file sharing proggies run as fast as they did on SP1 and I can use IE and file sharing at the same time without any slowdowns. So if people on here are saying that applying the patch doesn't really fix anything, then why did it work for me? :blink: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/201363-general-sp2-tweak-2-get-rid-of-tcpip-limit/page/2/#findComment-584343161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemesisv Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 Here is a automated version that support uninstalling https://a833.c1s1.net/seos/833/mpd/x1000f0^...PSP2Patch%2EEXE Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/201363-general-sp2-tweak-2-get-rid-of-tcpip-limit/page/2/#findComment-584382246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal_termite Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 (edited) My ED2K speeds are again as fast as they were while using SP1. The speeds were at a crawl before installing this patch. Does the automated patch set the concurrent number of connections to 50 or unlimited, and where did you get it? PS "You can overcome this by modifying the registry," -Where in the registry? Edited August 18, 2004 by shatter_my_spinal_cord Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/201363-general-sp2-tweak-2-get-rid-of-tcpip-limit/page/2/#findComment-584382305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhangm Supervisor Posted August 18, 2004 Supervisor Share Posted August 18, 2004 God, I hate it when people do this. You don't like limits...even when they're practical? Their motivation? To stop (1) Port scanning (2)DoS attacks (3)(just a guess) to hurt P2P file sharing and thats bad. Ok... So we've proven that #3 is bull****. So I guess this patch is just helping people do portscans and DoS attacks. Yeah, go on, keep patching... ...idiots... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/201363-general-sp2-tweak-2-get-rid-of-tcpip-limit/page/2/#findComment-584382318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkmark327 Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 I've noticed a slowdown when I'm running P2P programs and surfing websites, it seems that the sites take a long time to start loading; I'm going to try the patch and see if it helps. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/201363-general-sp2-tweak-2-get-rid-of-tcpip-limit/page/2/#findComment-584385104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
john smith 1924 Veteran Posted August 18, 2004 Veteran Share Posted August 18, 2004 i find that; i haven't worked out what causes it yet tho. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/201363-general-sp2-tweak-2-get-rid-of-tcpip-limit/page/2/#findComment-584385226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzSaw Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 I tried the patch and it seems like my connection is running a little faster. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/201363-general-sp2-tweak-2-get-rid-of-tcpip-limit/page/2/#findComment-584385267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
karma_police Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 just a placebo effect :p My dload speed is the same. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/201363-general-sp2-tweak-2-get-rid-of-tcpip-limit/page/2/#findComment-584385283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal_termite Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 Which patch? I'm not sure I trust the patch nemesisv posted. I saw someone else post that file on a similiar thread, on another board and that member too had only one post and poor english. Yes, I'm paranoid. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/201363-general-sp2-tweak-2-get-rid-of-tcpip-limit/page/2/#findComment-584385289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzSaw Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 metal_termite I tried the patch and nothing bad as happend to my computer so fare. "So fare" being the keyword. :p Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/201363-general-sp2-tweak-2-get-rid-of-tcpip-limit/page/2/#findComment-584385299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
feverish- Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 God, I hate it when people do this. You don't like limits...even when they're practical? Ok... So we've proven that #3 is bull****. So I guess this patch is just helping people do portscans and DoS attacks. Yeah, go on, keep patching... ...idiots... Ok, for those of us that DO have antivirus installed and running realtime, and DO have a firewall in place, and in some cases, more than one, and DO decide to use this patch because it simply puts the TCP/IP stack back to the way it was in vanilla XP and SP1...are we still idiots? :rolleyes: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/201363-general-sp2-tweak-2-get-rid-of-tcpip-limit/page/2/#findComment-584385300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhatWarning Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 Ok, for those of us that DO have antivirus installed and running realtime, and DO have a firewall in place, and in some cases, more than one, and DO decide to use this patch because it simply puts the TCP/IP stack back to the way it was in vanilla XP and SP1...are we still idiots? :rolleyes: That is what I have been arguing in another post. https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=204016&st=15 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/201363-general-sp2-tweak-2-get-rid-of-tcpip-limit/page/2/#findComment-584385363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhangm Supervisor Posted August 18, 2004 Supervisor Share Posted August 18, 2004 Ok, for those of us that DO have antivirus installed and running realtime, and DO have a firewall in place, and in some cases, more than one, and DO decide to use this patch because it simply puts the TCP/IP stack back to the way it was in vanilla XP and SP1...are we still idiots? Yes, unless you're somehow under the impression that having the TCP/IP stack back the way it was in vanilla XP and SP1 made them the pinnacle of security... :rolleyes: And BTW, running two firewalls is like wearing two condoms, its stupid and may hinder more than help you. And is it just me, or have the mods deleted fully 2/3rds of your total posts? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/201363-general-sp2-tweak-2-get-rid-of-tcpip-limit/page/2/#findComment-584385398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzSaw Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 It's funny how you compared it to a condom. Not computer related but funny stuff. LOL. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/201363-general-sp2-tweak-2-get-rid-of-tcpip-limit/page/2/#findComment-584385730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKnight Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 just a placebo effect :pMy dload speed is the same. my sentiments exactly. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/201363-general-sp2-tweak-2-get-rid-of-tcpip-limit/page/2/#findComment-584386166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemesisv Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 That patch was made by me. It was based on lvl's tcpip.sys and all I did was packaged it so that it can be uninstalled in case anything went wrong. Sorry about my bad english. :) BTW, any suggestions or bugs found, please let me know. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/201363-general-sp2-tweak-2-get-rid-of-tcpip-limit/page/2/#findComment-584389374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
feverish- Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Yes, unless you're somehow under the impression that having the TCP/IP stack back the way it was in vanilla XP and SP1 made them the pinnacle of security... :rolleyes:And BTW, running two firewalls is like wearing two condoms, its stupid and may hinder more than help you. And is it just me, or have the mods deleted fully 2/3rds of your total posts? Not the pinnacle of security, but I don't like the restriction if I don't feel it's neccesary. I threw the patched file into my slipstream disc and install it from there. Big deal. And BTW, I have XP's firewall running and these PCs are sitting behind a WiFi firewall/router. So it's not "hindering" anything. Notice I didn't specify two *software* firewalls, but way to assume. Sorry, I don't need a high post count to know an idiot when I see one, trust me. If you want to patch, go ahead. If not, don't. I just don't understand why you're bitching and moaning about something such as this. Chances are, if someone has the knowledge level required to even understand what this patch is for or fixes, they are probably "safe" enough to take care of themselves and aren't the ones Microsoft is probably worrying about. But I'll let you get back to knowing everything. Don't strain yourself too much. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/201363-general-sp2-tweak-2-get-rid-of-tcpip-limit/page/2/#findComment-584389407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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