CatnipOligarchy Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 ok, this whole situation ****es me off.. but wtf? white vs black has NOTHING to do with anything here. NOTHING AT ALL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshpo Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 ok, this whole situation ****es me off.. but wtf? white vs black has NOTHING to do with anything here. NOTHING AT ALL. 584943414[/snapback] it definitely does. take a look at what tony dungy said yesterday about it (check out ESPN) in light of the kobe bryant/white chick from colorado scandal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatnipOligarchy Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 i know what tony dungy said yesterday. and he is wrong. its bad enough as it is. a bunch of old prudes didnt have anything to bitch about so they saw a womans back and went crazy. if it had been a black woman jumping on TO, same thing would be happeneing right now. if the woman had jumped on lets say jeremy shockey.. same reaction. race is irrelevant here and in most other cases where the race card gets pulled.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kak Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 blame it on the administration.this is crap. 584942873[/snapback] Yeah, when all else fails .. blame Bush! Its not like the nation hasn't been like this for the past two decades. But it is no doubt GWB's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshpo Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 I do agree that people play the race card too much. That's what I'm saying. I think it is ridiculous, but the fact is that people are reacting this way. I think if it was Brett Favre and whats her name this story wouldn't have legs to make it out the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cube Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 :rofl: first time i've seen someone refer to europeans as euro.. sound funny lolyou euro.. lol 584941743[/snapback] well I could call him euro trash :shifty: but somone would probably call that racist. hear that Tony Dungy? your favorite word :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshpo Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 here is an article illustrating my exact point, from salon magazine, mentioning a similar NFL commercial involving kim catrall from sex in the city, and towels. read on...... King Kaufman's Sports Daily Nov. 18, 2004 | You readers have been writing, and what you've been writing about mostly is the ongoing, ridiculous controversy over the Terrell Owens-Nicollette Sheridan skit at the beginning of "Monday Night Football" this week. And many of you have brought up a subject I didn't mention in Wednesday's column about the brouhaha: race. "Am I the only one who thinks there is a racial element to this whole 'MNF' flap?" writes Geoffrey Reed. "Was the problem that it was racy? Or was the problem that it was a black man with a blond, white woman?" I assured Reed he isn't the only one who thinks that, and he wasn't anywhere near the only one who wrote to say the same thing. The race issue has been strangely absent from most of the national discourse on this matter, though a few people have addressed it, and don't we miss the late Ralph Wiley this week? On the controversy's second day, someone connected with the league finally brought up race when Colts coach Tony Dungy called the skit "racially insensitive." "It hit at a lot of stereotypes towards athletes, the black athlete in particular," Dungy said. "Any player, I would have been outraged, but the fact it was a black player, me, as an African-American man, I was hurt even more." I guess it's never strange, exactly, when Americans don't want to talk about race, but considering how many of my readers and friends brought it up in the Owens-Sheridan flap, and how quickly, it's a little odd how quiet the typing and chattering crowd has been about it. Me included. Here's why I didn't mention race in Wednesday's column: My initial feeling was that the flap wasn't racial. I thought about that aspect of the controversy, but the indignation just didn't feel racially motivated. I thought, and still think, that there were parents genuinely upset to find their kids watching a steamy little minidrama when they expected to be tuning in a game of good ol' American appropriate for all ages football. And there's the "I've rewound the tape and watched it 12 times and boy am I outraged!" crowd, who would have been outraged if the player and actress had both been white. Those people are feeling their power at the moment, and I think they're seizing any opportunity to wield it. But, as I've written before, I also think pretty much nothing in this country is not about race at least a little bit, and the more I think about it and listen to the thoughts of others, the more I think that while the flap still would have happened if the player had been, say, Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, it was intensified by the racial element. Sometimes the effect of that element is subtle enough that we don't even notice what's behind our reaction. Jenice Armstrong of the Philadelphia Daily News points out that the skit had Owens portraying "some of the usual stereotypes about black men. That they're hypersexed. Irresponsible. Bucks even." This is what Dungy was referring to also. He went so far as to say it never would have occurred to ABC to tape that skit with a white player. The Colts coach noted to Indianapolis Star columnist Bob Kravitz, "We played [on 'Monday Night Football'] last week, and they didn't ask Peyton Manning to do it." Reader Steve Hicken writes that the Owens-Sheridan scene "embodied the two biggest threats to white male America that we know: Female sexuality (active female sexuality, as opposed to the passive sexuality of cheerleaders) aggressively directed at a black male. We can't have that now, can we?" Not according to reader Edward Tarkington, who writes: "White America has carried on a love-hate relationship with black manhood ever since the days of blackface minstrelsy. We love to watch 'em perform, but just let 'em look at a white woman with desire, and we'll hang 'em from the nearest tree. Similarly, Nipplegate, while focused on Janet Jackson's bare boobie, was another example of suggested miscegenation. "But it's not polite to talk about such things, so everyone just focuses on nipple-rings and dropped towels, while the rest of us reasonable people are left scratching our heads, wondering what the fuss is all about." We don't really have to imagine what the reaction would be if such a sexualized scene were shown without the black man-white woman racial element. Such a scene was shown, repeatedly, in 2001. "Am I the only person in the world who remembers the TV commercial that ran repeatedly during NFL games and elsewhere a few years ago," wonders John Wilheim, "in which Kim Catrall of 'Sex and the City' was shown sneaking into an NFL locker room during a game, then soaking in the whirlpool? The team came in to find her in the tub, drinking soda. When she said, 'Anyone have a towel?' the players with towels all hastily hid them behind their backs." You're not the only one, John, and why do my readers seem to feel so alone? Catrall was the star of a series of ads for Pepsi One that had a fairy tale theme. In the locker room ad, a Goldilocks riff, she tries a Coke and a Diet Coke -- "too many calories ... too diet-y" -- before finding the Pepsi One, which is, of course, "just right." The NFL had a big problem with that ad. But not with the fact that by the end of the spot Catrall had apparently slipped out of her slinky red dress to take a bubble bath naked in the metal whirlpool tub that one player referred to as "my hot tub." That player, by the way, was white, same as Catrall, though the player who said, "Somebody's been drinking my Coke" and some others were black. There was no significant outrage on the part of the league or the public about the sexuality of the ad. No, the NFL's issue was that the locker room was that of the "Bears" -- get it? Bears? -- and the team's uniforms looked a lot like those of the Chicago Bears. The NFL, which counts Coke as a sponsor, didn't like its trademarks being used in an ad for Pepsi. The cola company made some post-production changes in the commercial to appease the league. That's one color nobody around the NFL is reluctant to share their feelings about: green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrana Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Was it really nudity? I saw a video of it, and it just looked like the upper part of the womans back, nothing more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniPi Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 I thought it was funny how Dungy was saying that the whole thing is inappropriate and what not, but on a view of the Colts' website, you can download numerous pictures of the Colts' cheerleaders along with videos and screensavers. Theres even a video of Peyton Manning and a cheerleader. A kid could just as easily view something online as he could on TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sin-ergy Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 all that censorship and still tons of crime on the streets. blame videogames! :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdb815 Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 OH GAWD WILL IT EVER END! :angry: The FCC needs to die! :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxpor Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 You people need to realize that there is a HUUUUGE difference between a prime time football game, which runs with a G rating, and day or night soap operas. They come with ratings so parents may protect younger kids from this crap. I'm sorry, but if I had a kid and that was on tv, I'd go nuts. ESPECIALLY during something which is supposed to be for the family. 584941806[/snapback] Acculy Sports and News are unrated. You can see just as much crap in primetime exept when ~15 people are watching rather than ~30 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callaway Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Eh...if it was a white guy she jumped on, or if the chick was a hot black chick, I'd really doubt we'd be hearing anything about it. ESPN showed it tons of times, and nothing. Nothing obscene about it. 584941478[/snapback] haha, how true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshpo Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 It pushes buttons with people because it fulfills the stereotype that black men like white blonde women and that black athletes are oversexed. and it was especially appalling to the security mom crowd because it depicts aggressive female sexuality, as supposed to cheerleader passive sexuality (see salon article I posted above in thread) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackcoffee Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 harmless m8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Acculy Sports and News are unrated. You can see just as much crap in primetime exept when ~15 people are watching rather than ~30 million. 584945489[/snapback] Sports are rated. The XFL ran with an ma rating. If this is shown during the day or late at night, OR on cable, we wouldn't be hearing anything about it. But you have to realize that with a G rating, something like this is not right. You people talk about sex in the city? Cable. Morning/afternoon talk shows? Well that's just is...they aren't on during Primetime. Soap opera? Again, day time. Movies? Well, this one is obvious. Believe it or not, parents do pay attention to what their kids watch. I EXPECT this type of stuff during the day or late at night, as do parents. But during a primetime football game, with millions of kids watching, it is uncalled for. So don't be posting this crap about how it's a double standard, and how you can see this type of stuff on that show or this show....bull. You DON'T see it on family shoes during primetime of ABC, CBS, or NBC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L3thal Veteran Posted November 20, 2004 Veteran Share Posted November 20, 2004 The XFL ran with an ma rating. 584948263[/snapback] :blink: If I can recall, it was TV 14 :huh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvbfan Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 THERE WAS NO NUDITY!!!!! You saw her back, thats all!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L3thal Veteran Posted November 20, 2004 Veteran Share Posted November 20, 2004 THERE WAS NO NUDITY!!!!!You saw her back, thats all!!! 584953667[/snapback] But there was the intent of doing so. Afterall, naked or not, the intent was there, which is all that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvbfan Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 But there was the intent of doing so. Afterall, naked or not, the intent was there, which is all that matters. 584953677[/snapback] Good lord , If T.O was white we wouldn't even be talking about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L3thal Veteran Posted November 20, 2004 Veteran Share Posted November 20, 2004 Good lord , If T.O was white we wouldn't even be talking about this. 584953687[/snapback] Actually, if TO wasn't there at all, we wouldn't be talking about this (maybe the first two days). Since we all know TO is in the mouth of everyone, there has to be gossip about it and complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvbfan Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 I think this has more to do with race, Than any implied nudity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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