[VS] Azar

[OmART]

If every WindowBlinds skin was just a Luna-derivative as so many msstyles are then what would be the justification to use WindowBlinds in the first place?

It's a self-selecting group.  The people who use WindowBlinds generally prefer skins that are a different style than the typical msstyles user.

Having been on here for years, many times msstyles advocates come across as people who would be perfectly happy with Windows classic but couldn't figure out how to change the title bar color from display properties.

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But most of the time the people who really use the computer like clean interfaces to work flawlessly without a headache (thats why luna was made probably, and Aqua) but Luna doesnt really get that good, so people mod' it, and you even notice Luna modification goes further than Aqua themes, but you shouldnt call eveyrhting a Luna modification just because it doesnt have a 150pixel thick taskbar with a ultra high bevel and a rusty look with buttons positioned all over the boarders, Humans are people of habit and organization, and the whole point is to stay with a good productivity for the people who use the PC even more (aka neowin people, and many others) :unsure:

Most of the time you can tell people who use Msstyles are the people who spend more time on the computer so they can figure out they can patch to have a theme other than buying software, and in my opinion making msstyles is harder, so not every kid tries to be like "I want to be a skinner" (just because they want) cause skinstudio is easier, and thats good, I personally use windowblinds for the less memory usage and videocard memory cache, since I make my own themes to use them, I dont really seek for good themes like most people do, but if I didnt do themes, Maybe I would go msstyle too

If you are aiming for the market of people who use the computer 1hour a day just to see a winnie pooh wallpaper all pixelated and a Peter Pan skin; I wouldnt post here Those are the people that go to wincustomize most of the time, and they can see their styles there, I am not trying to make you go away, just that I would choose different place.

Those are my opinions, and I am just letting you know

[memNOC]

have people who use WindowBlinds heard of ClearType?

[Frogboy Administrators]

Uh yes and we use Cleartype all the time. WindowBlinds even includes Cleartype optimizations.

Koopey: I don't think msstyles users use their PCs any more than WindowBlinds users. I'd say the difference is a financial demographic based on what I see: $20 to most adults isn't a big deal. I spend that on a decent meal. To many msstyles advocates I've seen here in my 4 or so years of being on tihs site, $20 is a big deal.

The really vocal msstyles advocates have always struck me as people who are trying to rationalize that msstyles are BETTER rather than just admitting that they don't want to buy WindowBlinds or Object Desktop.

WordPad gets the job done for lots of people. But it's not better than Microsoft Word. And you can use Paint to do some good graphics, but it's not better than Photoshop.

If WindowBlinds were free, we wouldn't be having these debates. WindowBlinds users can use both native WindowBlinds skins and msstyles. At the end of the day, that fact is pretty hard to dismiss. WindowBlinds users can choose both. So it's pretty hard to argue that msstyles are "better". But it is obviously cheaper.

[mulder]

Well, i gladly pay for WB and have been using it for the last 2 versions...i dont even use msstyles anymore. So im definatley not in the catagory of someone who uses msstyles and doesnt want to pay for WB. I love WB, i just dont like the big, blocky, un-usable themes. But thats just my opinion. ;)

I just go by this: If it looks good and feels good...it is good. :yes:

[Frogboy Administrators]

I don't personally like a lot of the big clunky skins either. But that said, there's lots of horrible looking skins for msstyles too. In fact, MOST of them are big ugly and nasty looking IMO.

The difference, and this is key, is that only the best ones get listed here on Neowin where as Neowin users tend to compare the finest msstyles vs. the typical WindowBlinds skin put on WinCustomize.com

As I said in another post, I'll gladly put the skins on WinCustomize up against the msstyles on ThemeXP.

[#Michael]

Well, i gladly pay for WB and have been using it for the last 2 versions...i dont even use msstyles anymore. So im definatley not in the catagory of someone who uses msstyles and doesnt want to pay for WB. I love WB, i just dont like the big, blocky, un-usable themes. But thats just my opinion.  ;)

I just go by this: If it looks good and feels good...it is good. :yes:

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I don't personally like a lot of the big clunky skins either.  But that said, there's lots of horrible looking skins for msstyles too. In fact, MOST of them are big ugly and nasty looking IMO.

The difference, and this is key, is that only the best ones get listed here on Neowin where as Neowin users tend to compare the finest msstyles vs. the typical WindowBlinds skin put on WinCustomize.com

As I said in another post, I'll gladly put the skins on WinCustomize up against the msstyles on ThemeXP.

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My thoughts exactly. I guess I have been very opinionated lately about this and have probably ****ed some people off (no offense intended KoL), but those are great statements and I wish I had said that earlier.

[DeathSniper]

Great skin i've been using it a lot lately.

Awesome work :)

Tony

[-scorpio-]

Well why dont the artists who the make the best msstyles use their talents to make a good W.B skin. There is also a lot more you can do on windowblinds for e.g right click on a window to roll it up, custom positioning of the caption buttons etc...

I myself use windowblinds and msstyles but as i am lazy i tend just stick with windowblinds and so i am missing out on a number of great msstyles that have come out , kol - substance (waiting for w.b version), katana vs to name a few. There is also the fact you can port msstyles to wb using skinstudio but it is not the same as w.b specific skin.

I also don't like big and blocky themes as at the moment i am using opulence by bose a clean and minimal style but that doesn't mean big styles cannot be carried off, there is only one designer i have seen to make big styles look good, amazing infact; essorant look at his work over at wincustomize - amazing and all big styles!

So we need more designers like omart and essorant to go into w.b scene because you really cant compare Apocalypse to Bant!(no offence Apocalypse)

[Apocalypse_67]

None taken Graphixwolf. Compared to artists such as Essorant, Treetog, Bant (just to name a few) I am fairly new to the skinning world. I have learn much from them and I can only hope that one day I could be half as good as they are, but the point is that every one likes different things. I my self like different styles of skins and if you ever visit my gallery at WinCustomize you will see the different style of skins I have made, not only for WindowBlinds but other applications. Also keep in mind that 90% of my work I make for my self and I opt to share it with any one that wants to use it.

We all can spend the next 5 years of our lives debating on which is better msstyle or wb but bottom line is, a person will use/choose what is either more convenience or more appealing to him or her.