MPAA still stricking BT sites hard!

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metal_termite

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It is an ongoing cat-and-mouse game that will never end. :whistle:

As much I hate to see these sites go down -- they are in a sense, redistributing content that people would otherwise have to pay for (especially movies now playing in theatres). So, I don't fault, or have ill feelings toward the MPAA for what they are doing. We would all do same given their predicament.

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I am desperately waiting until they get owned by us SuperSwedes  :D

http://www.intac.com/~douglas/smswedfl.gif

http://static.thepiratebay.org/legal/  :whistle:

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i always read those letters, those are absolutely brilliant. Big corportations always try to get them to remove software, and copyrighted material, and they always just fire back the swedish law.

update on Loki torrents:

$21024 in support so far, $30,000 needed

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Chriz UK

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File sharing will never be stopped ( Just like most of you said ) If people are that desperate to share they'll meet eachother etc.

I know of 7 markets, each that sell atleast 50 pirated cd's dvd's software cd's a day.

( Thinks back to the days when kazaa was hyped by lil children running windows ME )

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I am more concerned about software myself. Music and DVDs are cheap, relatively, already. I never spend more than about $15 even on new movies, and music I usually pick up for less than that. Software though? $50 for every game out there! Listen, I used to buy a ton of software and most of that used to be about being able to pirate it first. Now-a-days I stear away from the pirating and simply buy only what I know is a good (no where near as much believe me). Too risky to pirate these days.

I know folks have made this argument before, but IMO, it's a solid argument. Pirating promotes the growth and purchase of hardware, but in the end the moral reality is clear - it's wrong to take what naturally shouldn't be yours. If software companies would drop their prices like ESPN NFL 2k5 tried, then this would be a moot point.

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ECEGatorTuro

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You won't if you ever find yourself needing it to protect you or your interests.  The reason it exists is because some people don't seem to be able to respect the rights and/or properties of others... such as using P2P to avoid compensating the owners of the products they've developed.

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Excuse me but I respect the rights and properties of others. In fact, I am always glued to the TV when "24" is on but sometimes I find myself in a situation where I cannot watch the episode on TV at the current moment (test, class, etc). So what do I do? I download the episode! And you know what? Fox does not lose money by me downloading their episode because I am a fan of the show and I have all three seasons in DVD box sets (which cost quite a bit might I add). In fact, I didn't start watching 24 until I had downloaded the entire first season to watch it and see what it was about and then I was hooked. So if anything, Fox GAINED the sales of three seasons PLUS any future ones released because I was able to download the TV show online.

I would understand the argument with movies and downloading but regarding TV shows, I don't see why there should be a problem. If someone goes out of their way to watch the show on TV, why should they be punished if they miss an episode and try to catch up by downloading it on BT?

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The_Wired

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DVD's and CD's are too expensive.

it's hard to find 3 new DVD's that are less then $100 all together (In Canada.)

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That still doesn't give you the right to steal. Just because you can't afford something is your problem, and you know they would probably tell you the high prises are because people are stealing and there losing revenue from it. Look at it this way, would you steal a Lamborghin Gallardo or a Porsche Carrera GT just because you can't afford them?
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The problem isn't P2P. And there are many independent studies which actually show that it isn't. In fact many of them show that P2P actually increases sales. The problem is the pirates in Asia which sell this on the street. The MPAA is acting like the Bush Whitehouse and going after Saddam instead after who they should be going after which is bin Ladin.

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so what you are saying is that because of bit torrent, the movie / music / software industries arent losing any money at all. i find that very hard to believe. i'd like to see your sources that say that p2p is not PART of the problem.

hey, i'm with you guys in hoping that the bit torrent technology stays around. yes i've used suprnova, yes i've used lokitorrent, yes i've used pirates bay. i'm just saying that we are responsible for what is happening also.

edit: the pirtates bay's legal responses crack me up. what a great section to add. i especially like the graph that shows the ratio of legal threats to torrents taken down. haha.

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That still doesn't give you the right to steal. Just because you can't afford something is your problem, and you know they would probably tell you the high prises are because people are stealing and there losing revenue from it. Look at it this way, would you steal a Lamborghin Gallardo or a Porsche Carrera GT just because you can't afford them?

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theres a HUGE difference.

also i didnt say i ONLY steal, i do buy movies and cd's all the time, but to waste $25 on a CD i only want for 1 song? what a waste.

and there is a HUGE difference between Data on a disc, and a CAR!

you can NOT compare the two.. it is insane.

People sell you a disc, with a movie on it, and they make the $20M from it at the box office, DONT GET GREEDY! not every movie must be sold... by the origional.

last but not least, people steal cars every day. same with movies.

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Valiant

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Wrong, Loki is like the newspaper's movie listings.

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What newspapers do you get ? Ones from the future. :blink:

I haven't never seen a newspapers movie listing page that lets you press on the movie listing and then you get to watch it for free and keep.

thats some amazing technology. ;)

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Monkeys4me

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Excuse me but I respect the rights and properties of others. In fact, I am always glued to the TV when "24" is on but sometimes I find myself in a situation where I cannot watch the episode on TV at the current moment (test, class, etc). So what do I do? I download the episode! And you know what? Fox does not lose money by me downloading their episode because I am a fan of the show and I have all three seasons in DVD box sets (which cost quite a bit might I add). In fact, I didn't start watching 24 until I had downloaded the entire first season to watch it and see what it was about and then I was hooked. So if anything, Fox GAINED the sales of three seasons PLUS any future ones released because I was able to download the TV show online.

I would understand the argument with movies and downloading but regarding TV shows, I don't see why there should be a problem. If someone goes out of their way to watch the show on TV, why should they be punished if they miss an episode and try to catch up by downloading it on BT?

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My statement wasn't meant as any sort of attack on you... what I was trying to convey was the notion that were you ever in a position where someone violated your person or property you wouldn't "hate the legal crap", because it's what provides you the ability to make things right.

Imagine how you would feel in this scenario: You spend a couple of years creating something... a product that you've invested thousands (if not millions) of dollars to develop. Now it turns out that this product is REALLY easy to make copies of, and can be distributed over the Internet in very little time. Would you be perfectly fine with thousands of people helping themselves to your product without paying you anything at all??? Remember, YOU'RE the one who put in all the work... YOU'RE the one who's taken all the financial risk... and YOU'RE the one who could lose the rights to your product if you DON'T take any action to protect your rights to it.

I agree that, in your case, there was arguably no harm done to Fox when you downloaded the first season of "24"... but let?s look at this from a broader perspective:

1) You certainly know that in all likelihood a great number of the people that downloaded that series DIDN'T purchase the DVDs, or ever contribute anything towards Fox as a means of compensation.

2) You could have rented the 1st season DVDs to satiate your initial interest in the show... downloading them was not your only option, it was just the cheapest and easiest.

3) TV networks have legal obligations to their affiliate stations, which could adversely be affected by excessive unauthorized distribution. These same distributions could also result in lost revenue when they sell the series for international markets.

4) Even if it could be proved that unauthorized P2P distributions resulted in higher revenues overall, don't you think the owner of the property should ultimately have the right to say that they don't want it to occur? Don't you have the right to say what you want to happen with your property, or would you be fine if people you don't know were to show up at your house whenever they liked to watch TV, use your computer, or take a dump in your toilet???

I'm not saying I don't understand your situation, I just think there's more to the issue that should be considered.

;);)

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yes there is lost revenue in these, we are small people who make no more then $25,000 a year if not less. the movie makers make $40M (around that) so who are they to complain?

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Monkeys4me

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DVD's and CD's are too expensive.

it's hard to find 3 new DVD's that are less then $100 all together (In Canada.)

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It's a tough case to make when you seemed to have found a way to spend a couple thousand (best guess) on your computer, let alone the monthly cost of Internet access.

You seem to be able to come up with the money for the things you want... at least for those that you can't get for free via the Internet.

I know that it's legal for you to do this in Canada because you've already paid your tax on the blank media, but there are plenty of people in the world who use the same excuse that are not in compliance with their local laws.

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thebigj

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What newspapers do you get ? Ones from the future.  :blink:

I haven't never seen a newspapers movie listing page that lets you press on the movie listing and then you get to watch it for free and keep.

thats some amazing technology. ;)

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The newspaper tells you where to go and get it, there are a lot of people who like to sneak into movies without paying, that is their choice and not the newspapers.

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Bling3k12

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I never used BitTorrent to download movies, mostly just TV shows that I couldn't get here in the USA.

Why does the BBC & Channel4 make really good shows? I want them here!

I've also just downloaded episodes of TV shows on Discovery Channel (American Chopper, Mythbusters, just to name a few) because I missed them or some other reason... I've deleted most of them as of recent, since you can practically turn on Discovery Channel and see a rerun of what I had downloaded, and with my DVR, why should I waste space on my hard drive?

I'm not saying it's right, but for shows that don't play over here, I'll do what I have to do to get to view these shows.

Edit: Well, besides moving to England... although I would if I could.

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Monkeys4me

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People sell you a disc, with a movie on it, and they make the $20M from it at the box office, DONT GET GREEDY!  not every movie must be sold... by the origional.

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You really don't hold the moral high ground here... the fact that you obtain copies of someone else's property without their permission or compensation is a demonstration of your greed.

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Monkeys4me

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how is it stealing when someone gives it to you? Don't be a RIAA or MPAA pawn.  :cool:

See #1: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=stealing

^ money. the root of all evil, especially the RIAA and MPAA. Politicians as well, and lawyers...etc..

What a burden you must bear... what with being the last moral person on earth. And here I thought Ghandi was dead!!!

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Monkeys4me

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yes there is lost revenue in these,  we are small people who make no more then $25,000 a year if not less.  the movie makers make $40M (around that) so who are they to complain?

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Well, for starters, they're the owners of the property.

Tell me, how many millions of dollars did you risk producing the movie?

Also, at what income level does it become OK for someone to steal your stuff? Does a homeless person have the right to take YOUR stuff? Compared to him YOU"RE rich!!!

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