chavo Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 ok so if you have installed this patch how do you uninstall? 585254325[/snapback] Shoot yourself. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/267665-windows-xp-sp2-tcpip-patch/page/2/#findComment-585258070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dissonation Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Thanks for the info, I was a tad suspicious but it came highly recomended, by an idiot... i mean friend... *restores backup* Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/267665-windows-xp-sp2-tcpip-patch/page/2/#findComment-585259551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastertech Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 There is nothing to be suspicious about the fix is legitimate, here is a good link explaining it in detail. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/267665-windows-xp-sp2-tcpip-patch/page/2/#findComment-585259955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamend Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 I applied the patch and I have noticed significant improvements. Before I applied it, browsing the web was slow and I had trouble making connections while using Bit Torrent (with ~20 files downloading at once), but now everything is running fine again. I wouldn't recommend it for people who don't have as many torrents as I do going at once though since it does create a security risk. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/267665-windows-xp-sp2-tcpip-patch/page/2/#findComment-585260031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastertech Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 If you read the link there is no security risk. Restricting TCP/IP settings is not going to stop the spread of viruses, only antivirus software will. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/267665-windows-xp-sp2-tcpip-patch/page/2/#findComment-585260656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 Would you please point out some of these third party applications? These applications have to send out 10 unanswered connections a second in order for this limitation to take affect. 585249709[/snapback] I think your understanding of TCP/IP is a little off. SYN requests stay in the queue for 75 seconds (according to the RFC, the MS implementation may be slightly more or less), not 1 second. eMule typically creates 300 full connections for a single popular file. Lets say that on average 50% of connection attempts fail. That would mean 600 connection attempts are made and 300 connection attempts fail. 300 SYN requests going through a queue with a 10 request limit and 75 second purge time would take 37.5 minutes to complete. ((300 / 10) * 75 seconds) / 60 seconds per minute. Thankfully eMule is smart enough to cancel these requests before the TCP stack drops them, so it doesn't take a half hour in reality, but this is just an example of problems caused by the limits. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/267665-windows-xp-sp2-tcpip-patch/page/2/#findComment-585266703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrike Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 (edited) never mind... found it Edited January 10, 2005 by shrike Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/267665-windows-xp-sp2-tcpip-patch/page/2/#findComment-585266764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mando Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 I'm glad you guys created this thread. The "TCP/IP patch" almost tops the "LargeSystemCache" tweak for its uselessness and danger.I think some P2P apps will trigger 4226s because the nodelist is always in flux (people log out, etc.), making it appear as if the P2P app is making many connections to invalid destinations. In any case, all SP2 does is throttle the invalid lookups. 585250703[/snapback] "Adjust LArgeSystemCache" works perfectly fine with XP & a NVIDIA based gfx card. Only ATIS fall over when you enabled largesystemcache. My 3dmark 05 value went up 75 or so marks since adjusting my large sys cache. But this is well documented on the web. makes a fair difference to my machine having tweaked "AdjustLargeSystemcache" :yes: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/267665-windows-xp-sp2-tcpip-patch/page/2/#findComment-585267421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Live Veteran Posted January 16, 2005 Veteran Share Posted January 16, 2005 I think your understanding of TCP/IP is a little off. SYN requests stay in the queue for 75 seconds (according to the RFC, the MS implementation may be slightly more or less), not 1 second. eMule typically creates 300 full connections for a single popular file. Lets say that on average 50% of connection attempts fail. That would mean 600 connection attempts are made and 300 connection attempts fail. 300 SYN requests going through a queue with a 10 request limit and 75 second purge time would take 37.5 minutes to complete. ((300 / 10) * 75 seconds) / 60 seconds per minute. 585266703[/snapback] That has nothing to do with this limitation, though. And removing it isn't going to affect the way the Pre-SP2 TCP/IP stack worked. If you think you're seeing an improved P2P experience after installing this patch, the real problem is called observer error. Sure, you can be downloading a file at 20KB/s, install this patch, start the download again and get 70KB/s. But it has nothing to do with the patch. You simply got a better connection to a seed. If you had left the download going and not installed the patch, chances are your download speed would have increased to 70KB/s anyway. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/267665-windows-xp-sp2-tcpip-patch/page/2/#findComment-585304699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Veteran Posted January 16, 2005 Veteran Share Posted January 16, 2005 ^ Exactly. Instead of using file-sharing apps (in which speeds are largely unreliable) test with network diagnostic tools to determine speeds, or run speed tests from any of the hundreds available online (Y) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/267665-windows-xp-sp2-tcpip-patch/page/2/#findComment-585304839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastertech Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 This patch has nothing to do with download speeds only search speeds where there are alot of failed outbound connection attempts. With P2P apps this very common. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/267665-windows-xp-sp2-tcpip-patch/page/2/#findComment-585306224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkellner Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 (edited) One thing I'll point out is that the 4226 system events are not errors, only warnings. The system marks this event as a warning because it could potentially be a virus or some other malicious type of program. Frank and gameguy are both correct in saying this does not affect P2P applications, as I've been saying since this patch was released, and have posted in the original patch threads and on other forums. About P2P applications, I commonly get over 250kb/s with bittorrent and connect to over a hundred people on each torrent file open. I have never patched. This should be proof enough that the limit does not affect P2P applications. Also, I reach those speeds within minutes from starting the download. Edited January 17, 2005 by knigitz Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/267665-windows-xp-sp2-tcpip-patch/page/2/#findComment-585306263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastertech Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 I don't know where it got started that this affects download speeds, it has nothing to do with data transfer rates of files. But saying it does not affect P2P apps is just not true. It directly affects search queries where you get alot of failed connection attempts, this can happen frequently with P2P apps. Therefore search results can take much longer to display. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/267665-windows-xp-sp2-tcpip-patch/page/2/#findComment-585306353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dane Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 If its not against the rules, where may i get this patch to download or something? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/267665-windows-xp-sp2-tcpip-patch/page/2/#findComment-585309117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastertech Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 There are no rules regarding this patch, you can download it as you wish. Get it here: Optimize XP. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/267665-windows-xp-sp2-tcpip-patch/page/2/#findComment-585311433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeIvan Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Wht is the recomended connectios number? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/267665-windows-xp-sp2-tcpip-patch/page/2/#findComment-585346940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gowcra Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Game guy :yes: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/267665-windows-xp-sp2-tcpip-patch/page/2/#findComment-585348944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
umteen Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 hehe, I was one of the ones against the patch and was often correcting people on forums when they called it connections instead of connection attempts per second, but now I have used the patch or a version of it, just to stop getting the notifications in event viewer. In some circumstances using bittorrent it can make a difference if you are in a hurry to download a big file and the swarm is huge. That's my experience anyway. It can make the difference of staying low down in the swarm with bad speeds or climbing up quickly and finishing the download at a decent speed. Bittorrent can be like that. And to Frank who suggested to someone earlier in this thread to check for virus when they had 70-ish notifications in event viewer, that is totally wrong, you obviously don't do much bittorrenting, or havn't observed what happens under a wide vaiety of circumstances with huge swarms. These notifications can be fairly common and getting about 70 of them is easy to do. It has in the case of using bittorrent (or eMule I think) absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with a virus. When you are infected with one of the pests that attempt to connect out on to the net, you will see a lot more than 70 notifications. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/267665-windows-xp-sp2-tcpip-patch/page/2/#findComment-585369129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshpo Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 I also will take a stand and defend the patch, I was getting lots in the event viewer on BT and it cleared that up, I download from a big swarm at 500-600k. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/267665-windows-xp-sp2-tcpip-patch/page/2/#findComment-585369172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Veteran Posted January 28, 2005 Veteran Share Posted January 28, 2005 I also will take a stand and defend the patch, I was getting lots in the event viewer on BT and it cleared that up, I download from a big swarm at 500-600k. 585369172[/snapback] Yes, of course it will "clear them up", but you should be more interested in WHY so many connections are being attempted (note: not made/completed) in the first place. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/267665-windows-xp-sp2-tcpip-patch/page/2/#findComment-585372259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenNT Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 I agree with GameGuy on this. Fix the issue and not just bodge it / cover it up and pretend it's not there. it's there for a reason Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/267665-windows-xp-sp2-tcpip-patch/page/2/#findComment-585372285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
umteen Posted February 5, 2005 Share Posted February 5, 2005 The patch is not a botch job, it's not cosmetic, it's real, it works for the situations it's supposed to work in. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/267665-windows-xp-sp2-tcpip-patch/page/2/#findComment-585419295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted February 6, 2005 Author Share Posted February 6, 2005 The patch is not a botch job, it's not cosmetic, it's real, it works for the situations it's supposed to work in. 585419295[/snapback] Like what? I am currently downloading 10 items through Bittorent (Azureus) and have not seen a single error. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/267665-windows-xp-sp2-tcpip-patch/page/2/#findComment-585420189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonBetrayal Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 Well all I have to say is, if your using legit software and have configured your network right (yes Im assuming many of you may connect through a high speed modem or router such and an ADSL or SDSL connection) then you should not need this patch. If your not configured properly then most likely you will get many of these errors as the packets are not making it through. reversing security on your system and bitching at MS for putting security in place when you've spent the last 15 years bitching about the lack of security is a little like the pot and the kettle dont you think?? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/267665-windows-xp-sp2-tcpip-patch/page/2/#findComment-585420730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamend Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 Well all I have to say is, if your using legit software and have configured your network right (yes Im assuming many of you may connect through a high speed modem or router such and an ADSL or SDSL connection) then you should not need this patch. If your not configured properly then most likely you will get many of these errors as the packets are not making it through. reversing security on your system and bitching at MS for putting security in place when you've spent the last 15 years bitching about the lack of security is a little like the pot and the kettle dont you think?? 585420730[/snapback] Are you a RIAA fanboy or what? P2P programs are not illegal... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/267665-windows-xp-sp2-tcpip-patch/page/2/#findComment-585420840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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