[g-n-t]

I dont know if its true.. but somewhere on the net, i have seen something about microsoft using a powermac G5 for their Xbox 2 development.

enough said.

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:rolleyes:

there is a reason for that. its because the cpu on the xbox is the same architecture as the one in the G5. it has nothing to do with it being better for 3d design, its just hte only computer that has that processor.

i bet they ran linux on that thing too :laugh: its like bill gates's worst nightmare.

[TEX4S]

Remember Microsoft owns a HUGE perentage of apple. Remember about 10 years ago when Microsoft bailed Apple out of financial turmoil ??

BTW, Like my orange sign ??? :)

[ph3412t3h13]

STUPID IDIOTS STOP TROLLING AND FLAMING

macs are better performers and are mostly more efficient than pcs

pcs are better at running prgrams such as games and other demanding applications like that

in other words go for the mac because, and i think even pc fanboys will agree, pcs crash way more often and are wayyyyyyyy slower

in fact i think ive only had one crash on a mac and that was on my mac mini when i was running a dvd, on neowin, photshop, and limewire :D

[ManMountain]

Yep, I also read that they are the development platform of choice for the Xbox 360.

However, what has that to do with anything? The fact remains that workstation cards for the PC are certified by the software application vendors to offer enhanced stability and performance in such industry leading products as:

ABAQUS ABAQUS/CAE/Alias StudioTools/ANSYS Multiphysics/ANSYS Design Space/Autodesk AutoCAD/Autodesk Inventor/Autodesk Mechanical Desktop/Bentley MicroStation/CoCreate One Space Designer/Dassault Systemes CATIA/DELCAM PowerShape/ICEM ICEM Surf/MSC.Software/MSC.Patran/MSC.Software/MSC.visualNastran Desktop/Nemetschek ALLPLAN/PTC

Pro/Engineer Wildfire/PTC Pro/MECHANICA/SolidWorks SolidWorks/Tebis Tebis/UGS Solid Edge/UGS Unigraphics NX/UGS

I-DEAS NX/Adobe After Effects/Adobe Audition/Adobe Encore/Adobe Premiere Pro/Alias Maya/Discreet 3ds max/Discreet combustion/GNS-MBH Animator3/MAXON BODYPAINT 3D/MAXON CINEMA 4D/Newtek LightWave 3D/Side Effects Houdini/Softimage SOFTIMAGE?|XSI/Softimage SOFTIMAGE?|3D/ESRI ArcGIS ...

As his primary concern is 3D Design I really can't see why someone would opt for a MAC in this scenario.

Edited February 19, 2005 by ManMountain

[vincent]

STUPID IDIOTS STOP TROLLING AND FLAMING

macs are better performers and are mostly more efficient than pcs

pcs are better at running prgrams such as games and other demanding applications like that

in other words go for the mac because, and i think even pc fanboys will agree, pcs crash way more often and are wayyyyyyyy slower

in fact i think ive only had one crash on a mac and that was on my mac mini when i was running a dvd, on neowin, photshop, and limewire?:DD

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reported>

you make no sense and are being hypocritical

[g-n-t]

STUPID IDIOTS STOP TROLLING AND FLAMING

macs are better performers and are mostly more efficient than pcs

pcs are better at running prgrams such as games and other demanding applications like that

in other words go for the mac because, and i think even pc fanboys will agree, pcs crash way more often and are wayyyyyyyy slower

in fact i think ive only had one crash on a mac and that was on my mac mini when i was running a dvd, on neowin, photshop, and limewire  :D

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i thought you got your mac like 5 days ago :blink:

3d animation is about as demanding as it gets. pc's dont crash unless you do something to crash them. stop trolling and spreading crap.

[Matrix XII]

Yeah I know, I read that and was just like..... whaa... lol

[noyb]

Oh dear the kids are up late tonight i see.

Anyways on topic for price/performance ratio you might find the G5 would come out as a better option not to mention that not only do you get around the pains of putting the machine together yourself but you get added extras such as support and warranty issues that can be a problem with a DIY mission critical system, if you want to save even more money get a refurb from Apple or one of the big resellers like Cancom, but a PC wouldn't be a bad choice but to match the G5 you are looking at the XEON range and thats an expensive range.

And to clear up some myths.

1) PowerPC chips do have a slight advantage in graphics due to the Altivec instruction set although its not all that different from the SSE found in x86 chips not to mention that PowerPC chips don't have the performance advantage they did a few years back, there is very little between them anymore but i personally would go with the Mac because i find OS X a much better operating system than Windows.

2) Pixar used to use Linux farms to render there films but are now using XServes running OS X, and despite this likely being down to Jobs if you do some googling you will find that Mac's running OS X do pretty damn well for this not only for performance but also price.

3) MS do/did (not sure anymore) own $150 million in NON VOTING shares of Apple, this could be down to one of two things A... MS did it as a PR thing due to the Monopoly cases surrounding them at the time or B... It was a way of paying off Apple over a patent dispute but one thing is true, Apple really needed the money.

4) MS are sending out G5 units due to the chips inside but as to what OS they are running I doubt it would be Linux, Windows hasn't had a PPC version since NT4 and why didn't they just get IBM to rig something up for them.

[g-n-t]

4) MS are sending out G5 units due to the chips inside but as to what OS they are running I doubt it would be Linux, Windows hasn't had a PPC version since NT4 and why didn't they just get IBM to rig something up for them.

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it was a joke. i REALLY doubt ms would use anything linux(other than running their objective "get the facts " campaign :rolleyes:)

a pmG5 is just a much easier option. they would need to manufacture a custom motehrboard and all that. why do that when you can get a computer just as good for a LOT less money?

[Steve]

do any of you guys know if there are any websites that document Pixar's tooling? I want to know about what workstations/apps/server farm in particulat. Ta.

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I found this,

http://www.macnn.com/articles/04/03/10/pix...hes.to.os.x.g5/

According to that they use PowerMac G5's. I have no idea myself though, I don't particularly care either... :sleep:

[Jimny]

pcs crash way more often and are wayyyyyyyy slower

in fact i think ive only had one crash on a mac and that was on my mac mini when i was running a dvd, on neowin, photshop, and limewire  :D

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Playing a dvd, having photoshop, limewire, and a web browser open is not doing a lot. Please don't mention that your mac crashed while doing that if you want to convince people to buy a mac. I currently have photoshop, illustrator, acrobat, firefox, gaim, kapsules, and hydraIRC running and am playing a xvid encoded movie in the background, and my computer is running fine. In fact I do this all the time. And my computer is almost a year old.

Pixar used to use Linux farms to render there films but are now using XServes running OS X, and despite this likely being down to Jobs if you do some googling you will find that Mac's running OS X do pretty damn well for this not only for performance but also price.

I was wrong then. However, I doubt that switch was forced upon them by Jobs. According to the macnn article, apple developed a technology based on wavelet compression for pixar.

[Andre]

If you are doing graphics 24/7, so to say, for instance in Photoshop then what matters is not where and how you do it, but what you do (the end result). So to me it seems that whether it's Mac or PC, it won't matter that much.

[Raikou Tch]

Windows XP has basically never crashed unless I was playing a game, which isn't that often. I personally think it's great.

Boz's setup is very nice, and seems to do a great job. And if you're going to be gaming, Macs are pretty worthless for playing any recent games.

[TEX4S]

If you are doing graphics 24/7, so to say, for instance in Photoshop then what matters is not where and how you do it, but what you do (the end result). So to me it seems that whether it's Mac or PC, it won't matter that much.

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Thats true, whenever I give golf lessons I always tell beginners it doesnt matter if youre using $100.00 irons, or $1500.00 irons..youre gonna suck regardless, and Tiger Woods could beet you with a hockey stick...

But I think people tend to really stress efficiency, that 1 sec difference makes the other suck I guess :unsure:

[DELETEMYACCOUNTTTTTTTT]

Windows XP has basically never crashed unless I was playing a game, which isn't that often. I personally think it's great.

Boz's setup is very nice, and seems to do a great job. And if you're going to be gaming, Macs are pretty worthless for playing any recent games.

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Hmm, WoW, D3 (soon), UT2K4, CoD... Only things I don't see are Hl2 and Farcry (which isn't even good enough to be considered for this argument IMHO)

[g-n-t]

Hmm, WoW, D3 (soon), UT2K4, CoD...? Only things I don't see are Hl2 and Farcry (which isn't even good enough to be considered for this argument IMHO)

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doom 3 has been out for months for windows.

and hl2 is by far the best game of the year. the only OS that doesnt support it is OSX. are we through yet? or are you going to try and convince me nanosaur is better than half life 2?

[vincent]

Doom3 and Half life 2 are both good, lets not get off subject kids.

[Jimny]

Hmm, WoW, D3 (soon), UT2K4, CoD...  Only things I don't see are Hl2 and Farcry (which isn't even good enough to be considered for this argument IMHO)

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Citing four games out for mac does not convince us that the mac is a decent gaming platform, because everyone here could rattle off HUNDREDS of AWESOME GAMES in an INSTANT that were never relased for mac, or released much after the windows release.

Call of Duty was released over half a year later.

UT2k4 was also released after the windows version.

Doom 3 is already out for windows.

WoW was released simultaneously. Props to blizzard.

Farcry is awesome.

HL2 is awesome

Enemy Territory is awesome.

If your objective is to game, why pay more just to wait longer?