g-n-t Posted April 4, 2005 Share Posted April 4, 2005 winFS will come a year or so after longhorn, and it looks like it will work on windows xp as well. we dont know for sure, yet, but it does look that way. cream says the sidebar isnt in the new builds, and the article on the sidebar has been taken off of msdn. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/302920-longhorn-could-be-tough-sell-for-microsoft/page/7/#findComment-585721971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cork1958 Posted April 4, 2005 Share Posted April 4, 2005 Of course MS won't have a hard time selling LH to alot of people. But, those people will mostly be the geeks that think they have to have the latest and greatest of everything and love to play "keep up with the Jones'!!" There are millions of just those type people all around. I have absolutely no intentions of dumping my XP Pro installations and couldn't give a rats a** if MS EVER comes out with a new OS. :p Sure, somewhere down the road, I may come up with a computer that has LH on it, but it won't be from buying it. I have 3 XP Pro systems here that I acquired for the grand total of $125 just because people thought they had blown them up and had to have a new system. They were some of those have to have the latest/greatest type people!! :laugh: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/302920-longhorn-could-be-tough-sell-for-microsoft/page/7/#findComment-585722031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristotle-dude Posted April 4, 2005 Share Posted April 4, 2005 Aristole, as much as i respect you (yes i do) You *really* need to read up on WinFS :)Summary; * Extensible library type systems (Documents, Music, Games etc.) developers can add custom ones. * You dont need to bother about actual physical locations (No real need for drive letters, no duplicates of the same files) as theyre all aggregated into libraries. * Searching is *part* of WinFS - Its more on relational metadata (images sent by john etc.) again; developers can plug in their own metadata much like spotlight :p * More ways to sort and filter information, im a little sketchy on this. * Contacts, IMs etc. part of the store not as files also can be relational to files, other contacts etc. Theres also other stuff i havent read about. And NT upwards has had an indexing system, its just really crappy/unexposed. 585720484[/snapback] Didn't I say that? http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/developer/asmo...urces/96992.htm WinFS is "not" a filesystem but rather search/query/meta data layer running on top of NTFS. It is merely an abstraction layer hiding the user from the drive letters,volume mount points and dirrectories. http://www.pikeus.freeserve.co.uk/articles/winfs.html Spotlight provides the "option" of abstraction/grouping of files into logical units based meta data/search criteria through smart folders but it does not take away the power to access files directly. I'm not sure I like the idea of WinFS abstracting me away from my data but i can sort of understand why they might be doing it given the mess the windows file system hierarchy is today. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/302920-longhorn-could-be-tough-sell-for-microsoft/page/7/#findComment-585722126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BajiRav Posted April 4, 2005 Share Posted April 4, 2005 Didn't I say that?http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/developer/asmo...urces/96992.htm WinFS is "not" a filesystem but rather search/query/meta data layer running on top of NTFS. It is merely an abstraction layer hiding the user from the drive letters,volume mount points and dirrectories. http://www.pikeus.freeserve.co.uk/articles/winfs.html Spotlight provides the "option" of abstraction/grouping of files into logical units based meta data/search criteria through smart folders but it does not take away the power to access files directly. I'm not sure I like the idea of WinFS abstracting me away from my data but i can sort of understand why they might be doing it given the mess the windows file system hierarchy is today. 585722126[/snapback] from what I've read Spotlight is a subset of features WinFS is supposed to provide...whenever it ships that is. See how iTunes abstracts ur music files from you ? now imagine a complete OS file system...it will abstract all kinds of data...music/movies/documents/pics...AND you can still directly access your files bypassing the WinFS abstraction layer. This was IIRC the original WinFS concept. Everything is a "Library". Windows always had 2 interfaces to access a PC...1 for avg joe & other for advanced users. It is unlikely that it will change with LH. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/302920-longhorn-could-be-tough-sell-for-microsoft/page/7/#findComment-585722157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeing 787 Posted April 4, 2005 Share Posted April 4, 2005 I would agree totally with you although I am curious to know if there are any issues of 3.1 for ACDSee running on XP? I had some problems that is why I deleted it... 585700654[/snapback] I'm running ACDsee 3.1 on Windows XP sp2 and I've had no bugs or problems. What problems did you have ? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/302920-longhorn-could-be-tough-sell-for-microsoft/page/7/#findComment-585722547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristotle-dude Posted April 4, 2005 Share Posted April 4, 2005 (edited) With WinFS having been cut, Longhorn will be a tough sell to businesses. I would say that it will be even more a tough sell than XP was for companies which had standardised on Windows 2000. @dhan: I don't think that either one is a subset of the other. Both have been in development since the late 90's. http://images.apple.com/macosx/tiger/pdf/S...ew_20050111.pdf They will have very similar features and I think the reason why Apple bought out Schemasoft was to shore up support for the for MS Office documents right away without need for third-party plugins. When it finally arrives, WinFS will be a good thing for windows I think. Edited April 4, 2005 by aristotle-dude Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/302920-longhorn-could-be-tough-sell-for-microsoft/page/7/#findComment-585722807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrilix Posted April 4, 2005 Share Posted April 4, 2005 I'm going to buy it mainly for the security enhancements. It'll probably run worse than Windows XP, but at least I'll have a more secure system. Interesting how each Mac OS X release gets faster on fairly modern hardware while each Windows release seems to get slower. I'd like the same trend that's happening in Mac OS X to happen in Windows. 585717668[/snapback] Wouldn't you think that Longhorn would be less secure at first until they ironed out the bugs? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/302920-longhorn-could-be-tough-sell-for-microsoft/page/7/#findComment-585723111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
galoosh33 Posted April 4, 2005 Share Posted April 4, 2005 I'm sure people will get it... It might take a while, but evantually they'll buy it. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/302920-longhorn-could-be-tough-sell-for-microsoft/page/7/#findComment-585723785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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