Miranda 0.4 final released

[Menge]

  -scorpio- said:

Ok if your social interraction is purely done by a messaging client then what does that tell us about your interraction skills with ur friends and if you do 'socially interact'  with people out of the meassaging client then i am sure those features are not that important. I am able to go with the music feature being able show people what type music you like. As for ink messages unless u have a drawing tablet i am sure you cannot draw good 'funny' drawings to 'make fun of your friends' with a mouse and i am not sure why you want to do with that. And avatars u want ur messaging client to be 'social and friendly' wth! Its a program how 'sociable can you be with a program! Also as i said tabsrmm has a opiton to include them in the message window and Ieview offers them in the message log...

...and if you want to argue more on this subject we take it to the 'sociable and friendly' messaging client instead of filling this thread up with rubbish!  :D

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while i see the reason for your "angst" over these features, i believe that those very same reasons are the reasons that, for instance, linux was never mainstream. "config files work! why do we need a pretty UI for configuring". stop thinking like a developer, and think like a user (yes! you need that for some things!). and because you can't draw, it doesn't mean other people shouldn't.

about being sociable, thanks for the precipitated conclusion that because i want a more friendly IM program, that i dont interact with people in any other way :s i thought i could throw mature arguments at you but it seems i can't. sorry for even trying.

i'm done :)

[Silverity]

  Menge said:

it's nice features that make up the user. users aren't developers. it's the little things that make the users like a program.

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  -scorpio- said:

Ok if your social interraction is purely done by a messaging client then what does that tell us about your interraction skills with ur friends and if you do 'socially interact'  with people out of the meassaging client then i am sure those features are not that important.

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Why not? It's always good to have extra features as plug-ins, so they won't annoy people who don't need them.

[Pink Floyd Veteran]

the best by far (Y)

[-scorpio-]

  Menge said:

while i see the reason for your "angst" over these features, i believe that those very same reasons are the reasons that, for instance, linux was never mainstream. "config files work! why do we need a pretty UI for configuring". stop thinking like a developer, and think like a user (yes! you need that for some things!). and because you can't draw, it doesn't mean other people shouldn't.

about being sociable, thanks for the precipitated conclusion that because i want a more friendly IM program, that i dont interact with people in any other way :s i thought i could throw mature arguments at you but it seems i can't. sorry for even trying.

i'm done :)

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I did not say you did not interact with people i said as u obviously dont the features donot matter or something to the same lines and i said u cnt be picasso with a mouse and if you want a friendly IM use msn messenger they have all the features you want and more and its is very friendly.

[lav-chan]

MSN is not friendly at all. It works like NO OTHER WINDOWS PROGRAM EVER. It's hideous, it lacks features, it has a retarded lay-out, it's slow, and it doesn't do anything you'd expect it to. The only rad things about it are custom emoticons and hand-writing.

[chacho]

If/Once they get OSCAR in, their userbase will explode. I'm sure they realize this, too. Hopefully soon, I'm sick of AIM, and always wanted the ultra-minimalist app.

Changelog?

[kylejn]

Out of curiousity, what seems to be the difficulty in getting Oscar support in Miranda? Is it a coding issue, or is it a legal thing with AOL? I'm not too clear on the whole thing, so if somebody could explain it, I'd be most appreciative. :)

[lav-chan]

It's a coding issue. The API they're using now pretty much sucks, so they have to change all kinds of junk to fix it before they can add OSCAR support for AIM.

[XanDaMan]

  -scorpio- said:

I dnt really care what people are listening to tbh. Ink messages the point of that is?

When you could just type it. Avatars on contact do u know how big that would make your contact list you may no thave many contacts but the amount i have it would not be practical to have avatars on miranda and anyway you can get avatars in tabsrmm.

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:no:

Some people...

[OPaul]

  lav-chan said:

It's a coding issue. The API they're using now pretty much sucks, so they have to change all kinds of junk to fix it before they can add OSCAR support for AIM.

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Which is what they said they were doing with version 1.0 but I guess that fizzled out or something.

[Menge]

pardon my ignorance, but what;s the difference between OSCAR and the regular AIM protocol plugin they have there?

[OPaul]

  Menge said:

pardon my ignorance, but what;s the difference between OSCAR and the regular AIM protocol plugin they have there?

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The AIM protocol is the same that was and may still be used in AIM Express. It doesn't support many of the new features like file transfers and what not.

[username]

come on, lets get with the OSCAR support already...

[Ar3s]

easier said than done. thanx for the heads up. the nightly builds were getting really stable on 7th april there was a ton of plugin updates i thought it was a late april's fool.

[blueshirt]

Thanks for the heads up.

[lav-chan]

  OPaul said:

Which is what they said they were doing with version 1.0 but I guess that fizzled out or something.

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I'd always heard that OSCAR support would be added shortly after 0.4, so... i expect it'll be here soon enough. They have tons of stuff done with it already (away messages and avatars and status changes and junk work, they just need to fix the API so you can actually TALK), so... give it time. Based on the progress they've already made with OSCAR, it seems like it should be done in like a few months at most.

The difference between TOC ('Talk to OSCAR') and OSCAR is that TOC is a more simple version of the protocol that AOL has opened up for third-party developers to use freely instead of OSCAR (which is supposed to be proprietary). Other people aren't really supposed to use OSCAR, Trillian and GAIM (and Miranda, with ICQ) only support OSCAR through reverse-engineering.

[Ryne]

I've always thought that Miranda was meant to not have all that eyecandy. If you wanted the eyecandy, if you want skins, avatars in your contactlist, ink messages, you could program a plugin yourself (as some have done already). Miranda was always meant to be small, at least until the 1.0 edition; that is what I gleamed from the old forums.

I've always thought the developers of Miranda wanted practical, not "doing it pretty". If you want "pretty", there are other things out there that do pretty very well, or you can make a plugin that does "pretty" for you, or use one of the many plugins that do pretty. I don't think Miranda will have some of those things suggested by default; the developers have seemed to always take a stance against that sort of business.

Oscar, however...

[lav-chan]

When people say 'i wish Miranda had ___', they generally mean in plug-in form. So i don't think you have to worry terribly about the core becoming polluted with a bunch of garbage.

[vassie]

btw, I just downloaded this, and the installer says Miranda IM 0.4 (RC3)

Ben

[vbsodx]

  bennyboyamo said:

btw, I just downloaded this, and the installer says Miranda IM 0.4 (RC3)

Ben

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I noticed that also when I installed it yesterday. Guess its just a final bit they forgot to update.

[Dwarden]

about says build is from 7th that mean it's newer than one at dev pages ...

[Pink Floyd Veteran]

  brutalwit said:

This will be the best multi-protocol im client when it adds aol's oscar support.

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there is aol oscar support already

[MulletRobZ]

The only gripe I have with Miranda is that now, ICQ and AIM can interact between each other and I noted that when I logged into my ICQ, it wouldn't load up my AIM contacts on my ICQ list. GAIM does, but it wastes more resources than Miranda.

[bangbang023 Veteran]

  finalcut said:

there is aol oscar support already

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um not as far as the aim client goes and that's obviously what he's referring to.

[Toxikk Veteran]

wow VERY informative first post to this thread. :sleep: