Jellman Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 umm aside from their powerpc processors and shiny outter casing everything in a mac you could get in the PC world. infact i personally feel that aside from the G5 processors those same components you can get in the PC world, are lower end components. the only reason (i feel) that OSX runs so smooth on this lower powered hardware is because of both optimization of mac software to work on these components and the fact that there are very few things u can customize inside a mac and thus most of the different 'packages' are the same under the hood. 586026318[/snapback] seconded Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/328955-official-wwdc-2005-keynote-discussion/page/15/#findComment-586026328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconboy Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 Two and a half years ago I bought an iBook for OS X, but now I am going to be buying an iMac because of how good the hardware is. I dont know if you work around PCs, but they are so cheap and ugly these days I cant stand it.I could do everything I want on linux and a cheap PC, but I prefer macs for their quality hardware and software integration. 586026196[/snapback] umm aside from their powerpc processors and shiny outter casing everything in a mac you could get in the PC world. infact i personally feel that aside from the G5 processors those same components you can get in the PC world, are lower end components. the only reason (i feel) that OSX runs so smooth on this lower powered hardware is because of both optimization of mac software to work on these components and the fact that there are very few things u can customize inside a mac and thus most of the different 'packages' are the same under the hood. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/328955-official-wwdc-2005-keynote-discussion/page/15/#findComment-586026333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nose Nuggets Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 my next iBook will come down (plus a 4+Ghz iBook in sounding sweet!). 586025324[/snapback] yeah, but a 2ghz ibm chip is as fast as a 4ghz intel chip clock speed (ghz) is not the end all be all. in fact, the GHZ rating has very little to do with the perforamce of the chip. whats the fastest amd right now? 2.2ghz and they clean out the intel chips in most benchmarks. but i will agree that the chip the computer uses takes the back seat to the os its running, and the overall quality of the book. but i dont care what my laptop looks like, so, ill prolly go buy a $600 dell laptop and put osx x86 on it and call it a day. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/328955-official-wwdc-2005-keynote-discussion/page/15/#findComment-586026337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconboy Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 First, Macintosh is a brand, not an idea. If it's a computer and Apple sells it...it's a Macintosh.And yes...they buy 2000 dollars worth of hardware for the OS. There's a reason they don't spend that on a Dell. They have essentially the same parts. it's certainly not for the performance. We've known for some time that a highend Mac cannot keep up with a highend Dell/HP. Your looking way too much into this So you bought the iMac for the appearance...not the parts inside. Because the hardware is the exact same. Processor, ram, hd, cards 586026312[/snapback] Um, i dont know about you, but you can not compare a high end mac to a high end PC, because the highend mac's parts in the PC world are actual low end or middle end. you take that $2000 your gunna spend on a Mac, and if you know a little about putting a PC together you can have a powerhouse computer that even NASA would envy ;) (BTW, please dont take the above as mac bashing, im just pointing something out.) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/328955-official-wwdc-2005-keynote-discussion/page/15/#findComment-586026354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ka_lonewolf Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 KEYNOTE IS UP NOW http://stream.apple.akadns.net/ Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/328955-official-wwdc-2005-keynote-discussion/page/15/#findComment-586026393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxsquared Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 the keynote is online, and it's in h.264 format Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/328955-official-wwdc-2005-keynote-discussion/page/15/#findComment-586026398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerry Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 Um, i dont know about you, but you can not compare a high end mac to a high end PC, because the highend mac's parts in the PC world are actual low end or middle end.? you take that $2000 your gunna spend on a Mac, and if you know a little about putting a PC together you can have a powerhouse computer that even NASA would envy;)) (BTW, please dont take the above as mac bashing, im just pointing something out.)> 586026354[/snapback] LMAO How does a high end Mac = low end PC ? Read> the latest Anandtech article andstop> spreading FUD.:)) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/328955-official-wwdc-2005-keynote-discussion/page/15/#findComment-586026417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzla Veteran Posted June 6, 2005 Veteran Share Posted June 6, 2005 If what Phil said is true, and Windows ends up running on a Mac box then count me in. Windows during the day for work + OS X for out of work + gorgeous Apple laptop + Intel tech = Dazzla a happy guy. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/328955-official-wwdc-2005-keynote-discussion/page/15/#findComment-586026457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ji@nBing Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 ROFL. Mac zealots are so damn pathetic. "They've changed the processor!! It's the end of the universe!! I'm smashing my $2000 Powerbook!!" It's just a bloody processor. For the love of God!! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/328955-official-wwdc-2005-keynote-discussion/page/15/#findComment-586026510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axel Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 KEYNOTE IS UP NOW http://stream.apple.akadns.net/ 586026393[/snapback] the keynote is online, and it's in h.264 format 586026398[/snapback] Is there anyway to download the whole thing... the stream is very poor for me! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/328955-official-wwdc-2005-keynote-discussion/page/15/#findComment-586026629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyClaw Veteran Posted June 6, 2005 Veteran Share Posted June 6, 2005 what stream, ive been letting qt wait for like 20 min and still nothing... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/328955-official-wwdc-2005-keynote-discussion/page/15/#findComment-586026661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxsquared Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 After watch the keynote, I do think tiger looks very fast on Intel Pentium 4 3.6 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/328955-official-wwdc-2005-keynote-discussion/page/15/#findComment-586026665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoXY Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 wow...just wow.....h.264 blows me away...the quality on that thing is amazing...watching the strem now...it's like watching a nice video....very impressed...:D Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/328955-official-wwdc-2005-keynote-discussion/page/15/#findComment-586026710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fukachu Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 looks like i'll be selling my mac :( b4 its resale value is too small.. :( Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/328955-official-wwdc-2005-keynote-discussion/page/15/#findComment-586026723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
azcodemonkey Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 looks like i'll be selling my mac :( b4 its resale value is too small.. :( 586026723[/snapback] You don't think that G4/G5 macs will be collectors items? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/328955-official-wwdc-2005-keynote-discussion/page/15/#findComment-586026754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
roxics Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 It's just not working for me. I get up to the part where he talks about transitions and either I lose sound, it freezes or quicktime 7 crashes on me. In fact quicktime 7 isn't very stable at all for me. It crashed earlier when watching the Batman Begins trailer too. If someone has a download of this keynote please inform us as to where we can get it. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/328955-official-wwdc-2005-keynote-discussion/page/15/#findComment-586026759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
soypowered Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 wow...just wow.....h.264 blows me away...the quality on that thing is amazing...watching the strem now...it's like watching a nice video....very impressed...:D 586026710[/snapback] (with QT for Windows 7) it freezes after 13 seconds and the quality is that of a 28 kbps uber compressed .mov. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/328955-official-wwdc-2005-keynote-discussion/page/15/#findComment-586026767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acezo Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 You don't think that G4/G5 macs will be collectors items? 586026754[/snapback] I don't see why they would. 68k computers didn't become collectors items (value-wise) when Apple switched to using PPC Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/328955-official-wwdc-2005-keynote-discussion/page/15/#findComment-586026821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus- Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 First, Macintosh is a brand, not an idea.? If it's a computer and Apple sells it...it's a Macintosh.And yes...they buy 2000 dollars worth of hardware for the OS.? There's a reason they don't spend that on a Dell.? They have essentially the same parts.? it's certainly not for the performance.? We've known for some time that a highend Mac cannot keep up with a highend Dell/HP.? Your looking way too much into this So you bought the iMac for the appearance...not the parts inside.? Because the hardware is the exact same.? Processor, ram, hd, cards 586026312[/snapback] sure ok well with that resoning they could call it Tatertots insead of Macintosh, but once its running the same architecture that runs microsoft windows its:yes:. :yes: (theres a reson in the comming years it will be called a mactel like people call them wintel machines.) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/328955-official-wwdc-2005-keynote-discussion/page/15/#findComment-586026878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
azcodemonkey Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 I don't see why they would. 68k computers didn't become collectors items (value-wise) when Apple switched to using PPC 586026821[/snapback] They were beige box turds, that's why. lol At least the newer macs look nice. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/328955-official-wwdc-2005-keynote-discussion/page/15/#findComment-586026894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoXY Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 (with QT for Windows 7) it freezes after 13 seconds and the quality is that of a 28 kbps uber compressed .mov. 586026767[/snapback] um...no....I just watched the whole thing with no problem...and I stretched the image 110 times it's orginal size (the small one) and the image is still crystal clear, I don't know why people are having trouble, it's working famously for me...:D Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/328955-official-wwdc-2005-keynote-discussion/page/15/#findComment-586027009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kr0z Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 They were beige box turds, that's why. lol At least the newer macs look nice. 586026894[/snapback] I actually liked the look of the original Mac's. A lot better than the PC from the same time. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/328955-official-wwdc-2005-keynote-discussion/page/15/#findComment-586027022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dL Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 So does that mean Intel PC users can buy Tiger and make it work on their PC? dL Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/328955-official-wwdc-2005-keynote-discussion/page/15/#findComment-586027096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
angrybrit Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 No. There will be Macs with Intel CPUs for Tiger. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/328955-official-wwdc-2005-keynote-discussion/page/15/#findComment-586027098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconboy Posted June 7, 2005 Share Posted June 7, 2005 so i guess this means no G5 Powerbook :( Steve said they werent able to pull it off :( now im torn, take a chance and wait for a G5 Powerbook, or just bute the bullet and buy a G4 Powerbook! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/328955-official-wwdc-2005-keynote-discussion/page/15/#findComment-586027122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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