blitzkrg Posted October 29, 2001 Share Posted October 29, 2001 I sent this in (via the submit news) on this web site, but i guess the webmasters didnt think it was worthy of any kind of a post.. which is kewl.. however i think it's a really neat discovery.. while hacking away @ msn messenger 4.5 i found some hidden (not used yet) dialogs and screens.. check them out DIALOGS: 730, "You are using a BETA VERSION of the interoperability feature.nnThis feature relies on services not under the control of %s. Using other messaging services may not be comparable in performance and quality to using Messenger directly." 163, " IMUnified" 169, "This server (%s) is reserved for use by other compatible instant messaging clients." 156, "http://svcs.microsoft.com/svcs/mms/interop.asp?Plcid=%hs&Version=4.5&CLCID=%04x&BrandID=%s&Country=%hs" Screens: (i have 12 screenshots they will be compressed into a zip and attached to this post, since this board only allows 1mb to be posted per post, i will make 3 posts) BLiTZKRiEG Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/3457-messenger-is-interoperable/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzkrg Posted October 29, 2001 Author Share Posted October 29, 2001 more screens Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/3457-messenger-is-interoperable/#findComment-23421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzkrg Posted October 29, 2001 Author Share Posted October 29, 2001 and the last zip of screens, there were some more that i didnt include just becuz they were not relavent to the interoperability features that is upcoming.. stuff like kids passports and all kinds of other junk.. anywayz.. final screens Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/3457-messenger-is-interoperable/#findComment-23422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortensen Posted October 29, 2001 Share Posted October 29, 2001 I have a Yahoo!, AIM and ICQ account that I don't use at the moment. I might use them if they added support for them into Windows Messenger but there wasn't any indication in the screenshots you have shown that they intend to add support for rival IM types like AIM or ICQ. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/3457-messenger-is-interoperable/#findComment-23433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract Posted October 29, 2001 Share Posted October 29, 2001 Now Yahoo and AOL will sue MS for doing this, unfortunately. This will be a cool feature that allows you to use one program (similar to others) to access different IM accounts. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/3457-messenger-is-interoperable/#findComment-23465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
betax Posted October 29, 2001 Share Posted October 29, 2001 I wonder if we can patch the program to allow us to use these dialogs. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/3457-messenger-is-interoperable/#findComment-23474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
E3L Posted October 29, 2001 Share Posted October 29, 2001 theres probably a lot of code that needs to be implemented before this stuff is of any use...just showing the dialog forms wont make the system work :) But good idea. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/3457-messenger-is-interoperable/#findComment-23483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
betax Posted October 29, 2001 Share Posted October 29, 2001 Microsoft may, indeed, want this to be seen by hackers... they know they can not release it PUBLICLY so they just put it in and do not tell anyone about it.. When a hacker patches this program. Microsoft will not be totaly blamed. LOL thats one way of looking at it Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/3457-messenger-is-interoperable/#findComment-23484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
betax Posted October 29, 2001 Share Posted October 29, 2001 I bet the code lies with XML... I KNOW someone will hack it.. it is bound to be done Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/3457-messenger-is-interoperable/#findComment-23488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronXP Posted October 29, 2001 Share Posted October 29, 2001 Judging by Image15 in 3333.zip does this mean I can use MSN Messenger on my 4 PC LAN network? We currently use a crap messenger from Vypress which sucks. It would be great to use a better messenger such as MSNs on our LAN. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/3457-messenger-is-interoperable/#findComment-23498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
458727 Posted October 29, 2001 Share Posted October 29, 2001 Originally posted by AaronXP Judging by Image15 in 3333.zip does this mean I can use MSN Messenger on my 4 PC LAN network? We currently use a crap messenger from Vypress which sucks. It would be great to use a better messenger such as MSNs on our LAN. Yes, MSN Messenger now allows you to set it up to work with a local LAN via the Exchange Instant Messaging server protocol. :) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/3457-messenger-is-interoperable/#findComment-23504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingrat Posted October 29, 2001 Share Posted October 29, 2001 As a side note, for those interested in an 'all in one' program that doesn Yahoo, AIM, MSN and ICQ: http://www.trillian.cc/ Trillian is a pretty nifty program that they are constantly working on. Last time I tried it it was great except the organization of the buddy lists, but its come a long way. 2 cents> Mike Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/3457-messenger-is-interoperable/#findComment-23505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
betax Posted October 29, 2001 Share Posted October 29, 2001 I still can not stand trillian.. I dont like the way the program is organized.. I love MSN.. the ONLY flaw is that you can not dock it to the side of the screen. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/3457-messenger-is-interoperable/#findComment-23509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronXP Posted October 29, 2001 Share Posted October 29, 2001 Originally posted by 458727 Yes, MSN Messenger now allows you to set it up to work with a local LAN via the Exchange Instant Messaging server protocol. :) Where can I get details on this so I can set it up on my LAN? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/3457-messenger-is-interoperable/#findComment-23515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStvo Posted October 29, 2001 Share Posted October 29, 2001 i found one flaw with msn messenger. 1) everybody uses aim not msn would be great for me, and ms, if everybody migrated to msn messenger. or if they really were interoperable it wouldnt matter. somebody needs to get the interoperability to work.:) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/3457-messenger-is-interoperable/#findComment-23529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzkrg Posted October 29, 2001 Author Share Posted October 29, 2001 Microsoft didnt put this in here for hackers to see, it's something that will happen in the very near future, prior to the AOL Time warner merger, microsoft lobbied the fcc to force AOL to open up it's instant messenger to everyone, and with that, microsoft formed a coalition with yahoo, att, odigo and paltalk, and others it was the UNIFIED MESSENGER (i dont remember the name of the group, do some research on the net and you will find it, they have a web page and everything. Aol PROMISED the fcc it would open up it's messenger very soon, and they announced publicly that by the end of the summer they would have internal betas ready.. now wether they do have those internal betas ready or not is a different story. HOWEVER.. BY LAW.. AOL HAS to open up its messenger, as it was a condition put on them by the FCC prior to them allowing the merger with time warner company.. so, what these screen shots tell me, is microsoft is PRE-PAIRING there messenger for this OPEN standard. I doubt it's functional because it requires the use of specialized servers, that i dont know are online (i dont know if they are or are not) however one of the text's i found inside gave a link to the server and has a interop.asp ending meaning it's in the works.... i would expect this interoperability very soon (1-8 months) time frame would be likely.. as the FCC and microsoft wont let AOL take forever on this.. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/3457-messenger-is-interoperable/#findComment-23532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
betax Posted October 29, 2001 Share Posted October 29, 2001 Yeah I know .. I just thought it would be kinda odd if MS did it for that reason (off the wall thing). I can not wait for AOL to open up!! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/3457-messenger-is-interoperable/#findComment-23536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gergith Posted October 29, 2001 Share Posted October 29, 2001 you know what i would love?? if IM-ing would turn the way e-mail is, every one has it, every one uses different hosts, yet, they are all inter-somthing er other able, but like certain e-mail clients and places, some have more options between users then others, so like icq, having voice chat, or msn, having that phone service or whatever..wouldnt that be awsome?? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/3457-messenger-is-interoperable/#findComment-23542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzkrg Posted October 29, 2001 Author Share Posted October 29, 2001 whoever said nobody use's MSN messenger and everyone uses AOL IM.. uhh. check your stats.. yes more ppl use aol (cuz there are more idiots using the internet) but something like 20 some million use MSN.. aol has like 38 million or something crazy like that.. but to say ppl dont use MSN is not even close.. the good thing about MS having so much power is they can (and did) force aol to open up.. so everyone can talk no matter what client they use.. after all it was the crack addicts at AOL who started this "shut down everyone elses clients" crap.. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/3457-messenger-is-interoperable/#findComment-23543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzkrg Posted October 29, 2001 Author Share Posted October 29, 2001 Gergith: that is the way it will be.. each client i'm sure will have it's own specialized services.. but all of them will be able to communicate via, voice, video, text and file transfer.. as that is the basics of the open standard.. everything else is up in the air (as far as i know) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/3457-messenger-is-interoperable/#findComment-23545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
radioboy Posted October 29, 2001 Share Posted October 29, 2001 Originally posted by blitzkrg microsoft formed a coalition with yahoo, att, odigo and paltalk, and others it was the UNIFIED MESSENGER (i dont remember the name of the group, do some research on the net and you will find it, they have a web page and everything. That would be IM Unified, accessible at http://www.imunified.org/. HOWEVER.. BY LAW.. AOL HAS to open up its messenger, as it was a condition put on them by the FCC prior to them allowing the merger with time warner company.. That's not entirely true. The conditions of the deal were AOL had to open it's instant messenger network before introducing advanced services such as video conferencing and application sharing in the service. So AOL can drag their heels as long as they want to on this one, because even though there are people asking for this, they know they could never add a new feature again and people would continue to use their service, because with 30 million and growing, AOL holds the dominant place in instant messaging and unless there's a mass migration from AIM to Windows Messenger and from AOL to MSN (with AOL's marketing that ain't happenin) that won't be changing any time soon. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/3457-messenger-is-interoperable/#findComment-23546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gergith Posted October 29, 2001 Share Posted October 29, 2001 blitzkrg i hope thats true, but what do you figure will happen for people, well, for instance, i have a few people that are on both my icq, and my msn contact list? who knows! but im glad to see with icq, that there contacts are now online, with 2001b im testing, and icq webbie, pretty sweet deal if you ask me :-) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/3457-messenger-is-interoperable/#findComment-23555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzkrg Posted October 29, 2001 Author Share Posted October 29, 2001 I didnt say they had to open up there network and give away all the features.. i said they had to open up there network period.. which is entirely true :) like i said.. i dont expect all the bells and whistles at first.. i would imagine it just be basic text at first.. with file transfer and voice/video to follow.. either way.. i'm happy it's going to happen.. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/3457-messenger-is-interoperable/#findComment-23558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzkrg Posted October 29, 2001 Author Share Posted October 29, 2001 Gergith: this is just a guess, but i would imagine it will look something like trillian or odigo, where you see all your people from msn with little msn icons by there names and a list of aol f00s with little aol icon by there name.. so if you have people on both, i would guess they both show up (if using both services) just 1 in each list.. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/3457-messenger-is-interoperable/#findComment-23560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
radioboy Posted October 30, 2001 Share Posted October 30, 2001 blitzkrg, you're missing the point entirely. Until AOL decides they want to add advanced services like videoconferencing they are under NO OBLIGATION WHATSOEVER to open up the IM service. Those features cannot be added by AOL until the service is opened. So they never ad "advanced services", they never have to open the service. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/3457-messenger-is-interoperable/#findComment-23583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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