Bearded Kirklander Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 I just read another article about an NHL team buying out a contract of a player: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050730/ap_on_...HNlYwMlJVRPUCUl I don't understand how this thing works. I was hoping someone could explain it to me. When they buy out a players contract, it includes the 24% rollback, right? So does that mean that the team has to pay 76% of the value of the contract when it buys out, or do they get away with paying less than that? Thank you. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/351263-nhl-can-someone-explain-these-contract-buy-outs/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
bayrider Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 im not too sure about the specifics of the 'buy out'. But some players who are contractually obligated to play for a team can be released from the contract if the team pays 1/3 (or 2/3?) of that players salary. The player is then released and is eligeble to play for any other team that wants to sign the player except the team they were bought out by. All of this is to allow some more room for teams that need to adjust to the new salary cap. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/351263-nhl-can-someone-explain-these-contract-buy-outs/#findComment-586296388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroChaos Veteran Posted July 30, 2005 Veteran Share Posted July 30, 2005 i don't really get it either. it just seems like we are going to have a bunch of superstars that won't have a team because they are worth too much. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/351263-nhl-can-someone-explain-these-contract-buy-outs/#findComment-586296543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted July 30, 2005 Veteran Share Posted July 30, 2005 My interpretation is that existing contracts were rolled-back 24% but then teams can buy them out for 2/3rds of the new amount. i.e. $7.5 million becomes $6 million but then they get bought out for $4 million. What is crucial is that the $4 million doesn't count against the cap. Sure, it may be wasted money but at least it doesn't harm your on-ice product. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/351263-nhl-can-someone-explain-these-contract-buy-outs/#findComment-586297341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearded Kirklander Posted July 30, 2005 Author Share Posted July 30, 2005 Don't suppose anyone has a link to something semi-official that explains things, do they? Also, is this Buy Out thing only allowed this season, or is it every season from now on? Thanks. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/351263-nhl-can-someone-explain-these-contract-buy-outs/#findComment-586297681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bayrider Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 (edited) i also find it will create more even match-ups. We wont have teams like Colorado, Detroit, Philly, Toronto always on top because they have some of the highest salary expenditures. This way, all teams can spend a max of 39mill. While teams with less quality players can sign these bought out players for a relatively cheaper price creating a more even matchup between all teams. Edited July 30, 2005 by bayrider Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/351263-nhl-can-someone-explain-these-contract-buy-outs/#findComment-586297684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearded Kirklander Posted July 30, 2005 Author Share Posted July 30, 2005 i also find it will create more even match-ups. We wont have teams like Colorado, Detroit, Philly, Toronto always on top because they have some of the highest salary expenditures. This way, all teams can spend a max of 39mill. While teams with less quality players can sign these bought out players for a relatively cheaper price creating a more even matchup between all teams. I don't much mind a salary cap I guess. But I would want all the contracts to be guaranteed, unlike the NFL, because the players deserve that. I also feel bad existing contracts had to be rolled back. If you were promised the money in a contract that was struck before this bargaining agreement, I think you should get paid that full amount. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/351263-nhl-can-someone-explain-these-contract-buy-outs/#findComment-586297699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bayrider Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Bearded Kirklander to answer ur previous post... i think mine and Fred's explanations pretty much sum it up. Also this buy-out thing is only for 6days betwen Jul23-29 and is only for this year. Free agency starts Aug 1 when most of these bought out players will end up being signed elsewhere. The entire buyout is so that teams that have high payrolls like Toronto which exceeds $60mil will have to adjust to the new $39m cap. The buyouts don't count towards the cap. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/351263-nhl-can-someone-explain-these-contract-buy-outs/#findComment-586297714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearded Kirklander Posted July 30, 2005 Author Share Posted July 30, 2005 Bearded Kirklander to answer ur previous post... i think mine and Fred's explanations pretty much sum it up. Also this buy-out thing is only for 6days betwen Jul23-29 and is only for this year. Free agency starts Aug 1 when most of these bought out players will end up being signed elsewhere. The entire buyout is so that teams that have high payrolls like Toronto which exceeds $60mil will have to adjust to the new $39m cap. The buyouts don't count towards the cap. Thanks for the clarification. I'm glad the buyout thing was for such a limited time. I'd hate to see players get shafted for all 6 years of the contract. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/351263-nhl-can-someone-explain-these-contract-buy-outs/#findComment-586297719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroChaos Veteran Posted July 30, 2005 Veteran Share Posted July 30, 2005 how willing are these big name guys gonna be to sign a new contract worth a fraction of what they were getting before? i guess we'll see who really loves hockey... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/351263-nhl-can-someone-explain-these-contract-buy-outs/#findComment-586298634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearded Kirklander Posted July 30, 2005 Author Share Posted July 30, 2005 how willing are these big name guys gonna be to sign a new contract worth a fraction of what they were getting before? i guess we'll see who really loves hockey... It looks as though they are not going to have a choice.Just seems unfair to be forced to take a cut over what your contract promised is all - at least to me. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/351263-nhl-can-someone-explain-these-contract-buy-outs/#findComment-586298667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted July 30, 2005 Veteran Share Posted July 30, 2005 It looks as though they are not going to have a choice.Just seems unfair to be forced to take a cut over what your contract promised is all - at least to me. 586298667[/snapback] A player that used to make $7.5 million that gets bought out and if forced to sign for only two million isn't exactly going to suffer. i.e. $7.5 million becomes $6 million but then they get bought out for $4 million. Remember their $2 million person would be in addition to the $4 million they collect from the buy out. The net result is that the player gets the same $6 million as if they were not bought out. The player doesn't lose. Sure the first team is out some money (pay your former player $4 million to go play for another team) but so long as it doesn't count against the cap then it is all good. This was needed so that the teams with a $60 million dollar payroll can meet the new cap. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/351263-nhl-can-someone-explain-these-contract-buy-outs/#findComment-586298770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scsgoal31 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Just as a clarification, the buyout price is 2/3 of whatever is left on the contract. A contract is worth say 25 million for the next 4 years, they'll pay 2/3 of that 25mil (after the 24%), not just the amount the player was set to earn this coming year. And yes, contracts are for the most part guaranteed (with SOME team, even if they're traded, the contract goes with them). However, part of ratifying this new CBA was to agree to the 24% rollback as well as putting in the 2/3 buyout clause. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/351263-nhl-can-someone-explain-these-contract-buy-outs/#findComment-586298791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted July 30, 2005 Veteran Share Posted July 30, 2005 Just as a clarification, the buyout price is 2/3 of whatever is left on the contract. A contract is worth say 25 million for the next 4 years, they'll pay 2/3 of that 25mil (after the 24%), not just the amount the player was set to earn this coming year. 586298791[/snapback] Yea, I didn't want to get too complicated. Just double my example numbers if there was two years left on the contract. Still it works out. Someone with two years left who goes from $7.5 million to $2 million (who would have been rolled back to $6 million anyway). They get a buyout of $8 million. Then they go and play with a new team for $2 million a season. It still works out to an average of $6 million per season ($12M / 2 years) although they'd get $10 million the first year and two million the next. Many people would rather have the money up-front anyway. I don't really see how the bought out players lose. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/351263-nhl-can-someone-explain-these-contract-buy-outs/#findComment-586298814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearded Kirklander Posted July 30, 2005 Author Share Posted July 30, 2005 Bought out players lose because they were guaranteed the money from the previous collective bargaining agreement and they get less than they were promised. Seems simple enough to me. If someone promised to buy your house for $500,000 but the bank changed rules after the deal had been signed and they only have to pay you $300,000, that would be kind of unfair, no? Just because they are talking millions instead of thousands doesn't mean they deserve to lose that previously guaranteed money. Just because they are rich doesn't mean they deserve to get the shaft "because they can afford it", after all. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/351263-nhl-can-someone-explain-these-contract-buy-outs/#findComment-586299533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted July 30, 2005 Veteran Share Posted July 30, 2005 Bought out players lose because they were guaranteed the money from the previous collective bargaining agreement and they get less than they were promised. Seems simple enough to me.If someone promised to buy your house for $500,000 but the bank changed rules after the deal had been signed and they only have to pay you $300,000, that would be kind of unfair, no? Just because they are talking millions instead of thousands doesn't mean they deserve to lose that previously guaranteed money. Just because they are rich doesn't mean they deserve to get the shaft "because they can afford it", after all. 586299533[/snapback] I don't think you understood my math. If they were making $7.5 million then they were destined to make $6 million (regardless of the buyout). If the player was bought out then they'd receive $4 million. If the sign with another team for only $2 million then they haven't lost a cent. The buyout could actually work in the player's favour if it was a multi-year deal (since they get the bulk of the money up front). Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/351263-nhl-can-someone-explain-these-contract-buy-outs/#findComment-586299867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvbfan Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 If someone promised to buy your house for $500,000 but the bank changed rules after the deal had been signed and they only have to pay you $300,000, that would be kind of unfair, no? 586299533[/snapback] How is this different than when players would hold out even though they had signed contracts? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/351263-nhl-can-someone-explain-these-contract-buy-outs/#findComment-586299893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroChaos Veteran Posted July 31, 2005 Veteran Share Posted July 31, 2005 lets just be happy there'll be a season ;) now we can see why they had such a hard time settling this. both sides are gonna be selfish. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/351263-nhl-can-someone-explain-these-contract-buy-outs/#findComment-586300184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steffan Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 If a contract gets bought out, that player can't resign with the same team for next year. I wonder if that player can be sign with another team and get traded to the team that bought out his contract. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/351263-nhl-can-someone-explain-these-contract-buy-outs/#findComment-586300311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted July 31, 2005 Veteran Share Posted July 31, 2005 If a contract gets bought out, that player can't resign with the same team for next year. I wonder if that player can be sign with another team and get traded to the team that bought out his contract. 586300311[/snapback] A team would not trade for a guy where there was a perception of animosity. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/351263-nhl-can-someone-explain-these-contract-buy-outs/#findComment-586300323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
insurektion Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 i also find it will create more even match-ups. We wont have teams like Colorado, Detroit, Philly, Toronto always on top because they have some of the highest salary expenditures. This way, all teams can spend a max of 39mill. While teams with less quality players can sign these bought out players for a relatively cheaper price creating a more even matchup between all teams. 586297684[/snapback] I dont know where you got Toronto from. Man I would like to see a cup that long overdue come out way soon. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/351263-nhl-can-someone-explain-these-contract-buy-outs/#findComment-586300328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted July 31, 2005 Veteran Share Posted July 31, 2005 I dont know where you got Toronto from. Man I would like to see a cup that long overdue come out way soon. 586300328[/snapback] Toronto (in the last decade) got slightly more value than the Rangers but that is about it. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/351263-nhl-can-someone-explain-these-contract-buy-outs/#findComment-586300340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearded Kirklander Posted July 31, 2005 Author Share Posted July 31, 2005 How is this different than when players would hold out even though they had signed contracts? I don't agree with players holding out either. :) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/351263-nhl-can-someone-explain-these-contract-buy-outs/#findComment-586300987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearded Kirklander Posted July 31, 2005 Author Share Posted July 31, 2005 I don't think you understood my math.If they were making $7.5 million then they were destined to make $6 million (regardless of the buyout). If the player was bought out then they'd receive $4 million. If the sign with another team for only $2 million then they haven't lost a cent. The buyout could actually work in the player's favour if it was a multi-year deal (since they get the bulk of the money up front). What if they don't get picked up with another team for $2 million? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/351263-nhl-can-someone-explain-these-contract-buy-outs/#findComment-586300989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted July 31, 2005 Veteran Share Posted July 31, 2005 What if they don't get picked up with another team for $2 million? 586300989[/snapback] I don't think there would be too many examples of players that were worth $7.5 million per season before the lockout that are suddenly worthless now. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/351263-nhl-can-someone-explain-these-contract-buy-outs/#findComment-586303504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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