John S. Veteran Posted August 28, 2005 Veteran Share Posted August 28, 2005 bangbang023 said: That's not the genie effect. 586444193[/snapback] :blush: Well I've only been a Mac owner for 3 months...too many terms to learn. :cry: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/364623-why-is-objectdock-legal-but-yz-dock-is-not/page/2/#findComment-586445163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ev0| Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 you aren't going to have anything that emulates the genie effect very nicely until vista becasue xp just doesn't have the graphics foundation to do effects like that glitch free. Vista will probably have similar effects built in tho. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/364623-why-is-objectdock-legal-but-yz-dock-is-not/page/2/#findComment-586445168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
amrinders87 Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 adonai said: :blush: Well I've only been a Mac owner for 3 months...too many terms to learn. :cry: 586445163[/snapback] I didnt even know it was called the genie effect until today and I worked at Apple for a year. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/364623-why-is-objectdock-legal-but-yz-dock-is-not/page/2/#findComment-586445171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stadsport Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 Probably because the way it comes out of the dock is similar to how a genie comes out of a lamp? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/364623-why-is-objectdock-legal-but-yz-dock-is-not/page/2/#findComment-586445225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julius Caro Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 On topic: Since I suppose the company that develops objectdock is a serious one, maybe they pay whatever they are required not to get in trouble. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/364623-why-is-objectdock-legal-but-yz-dock-is-not/page/2/#findComment-586445292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelgenX Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 No, let's go back to that Genie Effect. Now I'm highly curious if there's a dock that has that, and holding shift doesn't do that. Apple is money hungry, and jealous that a little Japanese kid could emulate their "unique" dock in such little time. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/364623-why-is-objectdock-legal-but-yz-dock-is-not/page/2/#findComment-586446463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NetGX Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 Yes there is a dock that has something similiar to the genie effect... It's called rklauncher http://home.cogeco.ca/~raduking/ have fun edit: looks like it's already been talked about Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/364623-why-is-objectdock-legal-but-yz-dock-is-not/page/2/#findComment-586446483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelgenX Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 icecaveman said: You can do pretty close with Stardock's WindowFX... although it does not minimize them to the dock it does the same genie effect. 586446484[/snapback] Oh truth, thanks, I forgot... but I wish it would directly go back to the dock you know? I remember using WindowFX... slow as **** lol. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/364623-why-is-objectdock-legal-but-yz-dock-is-not/page/2/#findComment-586446493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
icecaveman Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 ev0| said: you aren't going to have anything that emulates the genie effect very nicely until vista becasue xp just doesn't have the graphics foundation to do effects like that glitch free. Vista will probably have similar effects built in tho. 586445168[/snapback] You can do pretty close with Stardock's WindowFX... although it does not minimize them to the dock it does the same genie effect. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/364623-why-is-objectdock-legal-but-yz-dock-is-not/page/2/#findComment-586446484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Live Veteran Posted August 29, 2005 Veteran Share Posted August 29, 2005 Stardock's "ObjectDock" program is based on their original Tab Launchpad application, we predates Apple's "dock" by several years. IMHO... Apple would have to be very cautious about provoking Stardock legally, as they may find themselves paying royalties to Stardock. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/364623-why-is-objectdock-legal-but-yz-dock-is-not/page/2/#findComment-586446509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoL Veteran Posted August 29, 2005 Veteran Share Posted August 29, 2005 icecaveman said: Y's Dock contained ripped OSX graphics, ObjectDock does not... 586442346[/snapback] Ripped graphics??????? Yz Dock didnt ripped any graphics and the Dock from OSX doesnt have any graphic. They are colors and transparency. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/364623-why-is-objectdock-legal-but-yz-dock-is-not/page/2/#findComment-586446518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
turkishdelight Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 *ahem* https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=111375 Sorry if it's been mentioned before. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/364623-why-is-objectdock-legal-but-yz-dock-is-not/page/2/#findComment-586446513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Live Veteran Posted August 29, 2005 Veteran Share Posted August 29, 2005 HeLGeN-X said: Oh truth, thanks, I forgot... but I wish it would directly go back to the dock you know? I remember using WindowFX... slow as **** lol. 586446493[/snapback] Depends on your hardware and drivers. It performs quite well in the right configuration. The only problem comes about when you run another hardware-accelerated app. At least with Nvidia's drivers, the driver will stop accelerating WindowFX (or any other app, including Nvidia's own nView features). Vista will remove that limitation. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/364623-why-is-objectdock-legal-but-yz-dock-is-not/page/2/#findComment-586446531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Frett Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 Just tried rklauncher, pretty darn cool man! I'll probably uninstall it but it was fun, not very productive, but fun. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/364623-why-is-objectdock-legal-but-yz-dock-is-not/page/2/#findComment-586446608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
imtoomuch Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 MajinDark said: Both are docks, but ObjectDock is perfectly legal while Y'z Dock is not. Can anyone explain this to me? 586442174[/snapback] It was supposedly because Y'z dock perfectly emulated the animation/zoom effect of the Apple dock. It has absolutely nothing to do with Y'z having the genie effect because Y'z Dock does not have the genie effect. It seems to me that some people on this site like making up stories or acting like they are knowledgable about something that they're obviously not and they state false or erroneous information. It was Apple Japan that supposedly contacted the author of Y'z dock since he was Japanese (if I remember correctly). The other dock authors are not Japanese as far as I know. Try RK Launcher. It is the best dock out there and it is very similar to Y'z Dock. Oompa said: That's a LAUNCHER not a dock. ;) 586443823[/snapback] It's a dock. All docks are launchers. Unless the wink indicates you were kidding. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/364623-why-is-objectdock-legal-but-yz-dock-is-not/page/2/#findComment-586446611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stadsport Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 RK Launcher takes up almost 4 times as much memory as other docks, and it lags when you first mouse-over. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/364623-why-is-objectdock-legal-but-yz-dock-is-not/page/2/#findComment-586446633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Frett Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 stadsport, I just used beta .04 and I never got any lag...everythings smooth except the genie effect when you minimize large windows, small windows are fine. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/364623-why-is-objectdock-legal-but-yz-dock-is-not/page/2/#findComment-586446696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
imtoomuch Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 stadsport said: RK Launcher takes up almost 4 times as much memory as other docks, and it lags when you first mouse-over. 586446633[/snapback] I'd have to disagree that RK Launcher "takes up almost 4 times as much memory as other docks". I have found the opposite. Image proof attached below. Plus, I never have experienced any "lag" with RK Launcher. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/364623-why-is-objectdock-legal-but-yz-dock-is-not/page/2/#findComment-586446970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thagame Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 i know its not a primo dock but rocketdock is bomb and free. i have it on my sisters 550mhz laptop and it runs with no lag at all. its a nice fast dock that uses next to no resources. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/364623-why-is-objectdock-legal-but-yz-dock-is-not/page/2/#findComment-586446983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaMeDtX Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 Y'z Dock shouldn't have been banned from posting, just because its stopped in development... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/364623-why-is-objectdock-legal-but-yz-dock-is-not/page/2/#findComment-586447043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinteger Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 Aqua Dock is an exact copy of Y'z Dock, especially considering it has this in the readme file: Quote Adding Docklets********************* There are no docklets available, but they can be downloaded from http://www.yzdocklets.com (Aqua Dock supports YzDock Docklets) 1. Right click on the dock and click on Add Docklet 2. Choose a docklet and click Add "Aqua Dock supports YzDock Docklets..." because it is Y'z Dock!!! All they did was tweak Y'z Dock a little :yes: :angry: Even though I like Y'z Dock (a lot), Aqua Dock is horrible. They should be the ones with a legal suit for copyright infringement!! Clint Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/364623-why-is-objectdock-legal-but-yz-dock-is-not/page/2/#findComment-586447985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vice Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 KoL said: Ripped graphics???????Yz Dock didnt ripped any graphics and the Dock from OSX doesnt have any graphic. They are colors and transparency. 586446518[/snapback] Actually yes it does, when you empty the in dock trash can there is a puff of smoke that is identical to the Apple dock, there is no question that he ripped that since it is a 1:1 duplicate and it is quite complexly animated there is no way he could have duplicated it so perfectly without ripping the resource. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/364623-why-is-objectdock-legal-but-yz-dock-is-not/page/2/#findComment-586447997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViperSnake Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 Don't forget, ObjectDock is kinda simliar to XPde, it's made not to ship an OS X dock out of the box, but it can be made to make one, and I haven't seen OSX use Crystal or LaST icons or backgrounds by default on their dock eh? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/364623-why-is-objectdock-legal-but-yz-dock-is-not/page/2/#findComment-586448037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinteger Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 Aqua Dock IS INDEED Y'z Dock!!! I was reshacking Aqua Dock to prove that it is Y'z Dock. Here are some screenshots of my proof: Clint Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/364623-why-is-objectdock-legal-but-yz-dock-is-not/page/2/#findComment-586448050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
raduking Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 I dunno about patents in Japan but in europe apple cannot sue anyone that's writing a dock... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4655955.stm http://swpat.ffii.org/log/intro/index.en.html Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/364623-why-is-objectdock-legal-but-yz-dock-is-not/page/2/#findComment-586448072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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