End of the world (And god)

[aberflasm]

exactly threedaysdwn. But just like some one created computers and programing languages, something or some one created life and programed how it should work. thats the only thing i differ with you on. While im not a christian or part of any religion for that matter, i do believe that the bible was written for simple people (not meaning dumb) during a much simplier time, and does explain how life began. god created the heavens and the earth. then he put water on it. next came animals and then man. they didnt have the same advance knowledge we have today but still understood the basic principle to how life works. it even says that god took a lump of clay and breathed life into thus man was made. simplest way to explain the amoeba evolving into complex lifeforms. I could point out more comparisons but why explain something i have virtually no faith in other than as a history book. I only referenced the bible as it is the only article of any major religion i have had contact with (parents are christians by title) I dont accept the politics of organised religion. sure it helps some people to have fellowship or to believe in a reward or punishment for their deeds, but religion has caused more harm than good. Check out the middle east or even the united states for that matter. both or prime examples. Call me a deist but I believe science proves how the creator works, not some guy with a title putting ancient text in his own words.

Edited August 31, 2005 by aberflasm

[X_Vapor_X]

hot topic....

The world is going to end when it's suppose to end.

Live life the way you think your suppose to live the way you see is the correct way.

As for the rest of the questions I keep my own person relgious views / feeling / beliefs to my own self but I do respect the view of others as long as there not neative / hateful to others.

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I completely agree, summed up very well. Let everyone believe what they believe.

[aberflasm]

I completely agree, summed up very well. Let everyone believe what they believe.

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me too. and on that note i'll abandon this thread. Peace all.

[Ceemji]

I just dont like how the date that the world is going to end keeps getting pushing back. I rememeber the 2000 prediction (kinda got drown out by the Y2K) and there there was one in the 90's or were there two? (Don't care)

About the God thing. Someone mentioned that it the world was too complicated for there not to be one and I agree to some level. Anyways, if the world is going to end who is going to destroy it, if it was us Humans then we can calculate when that will be, polution, ozone layer, resources, etc. If it was God then he is not the true God cause a God is one one who create life, lets it live, look over it, and accept us after we die. Why would he create us then destroy us? now if he ever does do all of this "world end" thing, that would be my first question.

[seta-san]

the black hole thing is kinda what will happen. When the sun runs out of hydrogen fuel and starts burning helium it will become a red giant; growing many times it's original size it will consume the whole earth. It'll eventually turn into a brown dwarf, which is nothing more than a super dense burnt out piece of iron, or a blackhole, which is basically a brown dwarf except it's so dense that not even light can escape it's gravity. After that, in a few billion or trillian? years our galaxy will eventually get sucked into the superdense blackhole at it's center. If you want to talk about the end of man kind.. lets just say that will happen much sooner than the sun running out of hydrogen. We won't need the help of a god, i'm quite confident we can kill ourselves out without much trouble.

the earth will probably never "end" (if that was possible), in a few billion years, the sun runs out of fuel, then the earth freezes, and it just sits there forever, unless something interacts with it, like a comet for example.

and for the other questions:

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[AJCrowley Esq]

Next Tuesday, around dinner time.

No chance.

The man or the myth? There may have been a fella by that name, but if there was, there was nothing divine about him.

No.

No.

Doubtful.

Couldn't resist the opportunity to get in on this flame-fest. It always gives me a chuckle to see the religious types "pity" me because I don't share their faith. The way I look at it is this - if you want to waste your life worrying about what happens when it's over, be my guest. I'm pretty certain that we only get one shot at it, and I'm going to enjoy it while I can. If I die, and by some leap from reason and logic, it turns out that I was wrong about the whole thing, then I lived a good life, helped others when I could, and generally tried to be a nice guy. Any bossman that wouldn't let me into the halls of Valhalla just because I didn't kiss arse at church every weekend isn't worth hanging out with anyway.

It also occurs to me that religious types really don't understand how us athiest types come to be. It's really easy to understand, you just need to be able to relate. Let me get you started with this example - why don't you believe in the god Poseidon? He's really no more or less believable or based in reason than the Christian god, to say that the Christian god definitely exists, and Poseidon doesn't has no grounding in fact or reason. If one can exist, then so can the other.

AJ

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why oh why do you really want to be able to kill children when they are most defenseless.

Sorry, had to respond from this. I might ask the same question of Christians. In your bible (about two pages after condemning homosexuality I believe), the bible states that disobedient children should be stoned to death. The difference between these naughty kids and a foetus is that a foetus has not yet acheived consciousness, or even met the biological criteria for being considered "life".

there are Jews For Jesus.

Yeah, I heard about those, I think they're also called Christians.

[kylejn]

When do you think the world will in?

Doesn't matter, it'll be long after we're all gone.

Do you think god exist?

Probably not, but it'd be cool if a god existed.

Does jesus exist?

Might have. Did he have super-powers? Probably not, though he could have been the world's first David Blaine.

Heaven? Hell? Life after death?

These all kinda tie together. I'd say, again, probably not. Human sentience makes us want for there to be something more, and simply makes it hard for us to accept that once we're dead, that's it.

Humans evolved from apes by developing higher thought and cognitive abilites. Along with that came sentience; an ability to recognize one's own existance. However, in order to balance out that sentience and ensure the survival of the species. we also developed emotion to counter-balance the logic that enabled us to rise above the other species on this planet.

EDIT: Forgot to mention something. Regarding hell, the Church currently defines it as an absence of God rather than a place of fire and brimstone. As such, it doesn't take a great stretch of the imagination to realize that we are living in Hell right now, or at least Purgatory, if you want to go along with the whole Catholic thing.

[Kaidiir]

well, from what I know this world will end in about 5 billion years when our sun uses up all its hydrogen fuel in its core. it will then swell up to many times its current size, actually swallowing Mercury and Venus. The new sun will be so close to earth that the surface of earth will become molten rock.

and we all better hope we've gotten our arses outta here by then ;)

p.s. this post based on real scientific evidence.

[spiegel]

When do you think the world will in?

Do you think god exist?

Does jesus exist?

Heaven?

Hell?

Life after death?

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when its ready, yes, yes, yes, yes, depends on what you percieve as life and death.

[Panacik]

The world will be "reset" is the only way i can think of putting it in 2012.

Only a handful of humans will survive and live in a brilliant environment. Then we will be faced with the choice... Rebuld and populate or slowly die off and let the next generation of beings come and take the world.

[rob.derosa]

before the sun explodes, the milkyway and the andromeda galaxy will merge, either flinging our star system deep into empty space, or hurtling towards one of the two supermassive blackholes at the center of this new amalgamation.

and if we are most unlucky, a star could come close to our own and rip most of the planets out of their orbits, sneding the planets either into space, or into the stars. either way, we arent living :p

2012 is just the end of the mayan calendar. nothing amazing about that.

The Classic Period Maya obviously did not believe that the end of this age would occur in 2012. There will be a Baktun ending in 2012, a significant event being the end of a 400 year period, but not the end of the age.

[golazo]

december 17 2009

[John Veteran]

I agree with Intelman. If you think we got from being an Amoeba to where we are now by random dumb luck then your using more faith then people who believe in God. God does not have to be limited to one religion. I think that there had to be a divine plan for us to get where we are now. Having said that I don't think the planner watches down on us and gets mad if you don't go to church every week. I think the world could probably use more people who believe there is someone who holds them to a higher moral standard then wild animals. Man's inhumanity to man that we see these days is truly frightening.

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[Chad]

When do you think the world will end?

No one on this plant has any clue. However, the signs God gave us in Revelation would lead me to believe it will be sooner rather than later.

Do you think God exist?

Of course God exists. It takes more faith to believe in a science and tests created by man than it does Scripture written by God.

Does Jesus exist?

Of course, Jesus is God.

Heaven?

Yup

Hell?

Unfortunately yes

Life after death?

Again, yes.

[PermaSt0ne]

before the sun explodes, the milkyway and the andromeda galaxy will merge, either flinging our star system deep into empty space, or hurtling towards one of the two supermassive blackholes at the center of this new amalgamation.

and if we are most unlucky, a star could come close to our own and rip most of the planets out of their orbits, sneding the planets either into space, or into the stars. either way, we arent living :p

2012 is just the end of the mayan calendar. nothing amazing about that.

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while we are on the subject...

you know how when you get shown a picture of a galaxy is has a HUGE glowing bright light in the center? well, we have one of those in our galaxy too.

so the question is, why are we surounded by darkness? it's because there happens to be a giant cloud of debris inbetween us and that giant source of light.

so when that debris cloud ends up moving due to solar winds or what not, the earth will be engulfed in light 24/7

and eventually all life will cease to exist as black holes grow and swallow everything in space :sleep:

[mAcOdIn Veteran]

Anyways here's my take.

I do not think the world will end, the world as in humanity. The Earth may be destroyed but by then I think we'd be able to move, I don't think the human race however will ever completely die.

On Religion and God: I don't know, so in the absence of that knowledge I live to my own standards. That way, whether there's a God or not, I can stand whatever's on the other side, if anything, look it square in the eyes and say I gave it my best go.

Life after death means nothing to me, since if I live the one to the best, I won't need a second chance, and if I go to heaven or hell, well screw it I earned it. My main thing is whatever happens, it will be my own doing, not because I lived as a hypocrite, or was scared into acting straight. I make my own bed basically.

I do not put stock in any dates that are the supposed last days of the earth or race or whatever. They're complete speculation, each generation thinks Jesus will come back in thier lifetime, so IMO it's lost the effect.

[rob.derosa]

while we are on  the subject...

you  know how when you get shown a picture of a galaxy is has a HUGE glowing bright light in the center? well, we have one of those in our galaxy too.

so the  question is, why are we surounded by darkness? it's because there  happens to be a giant  cloud of debris inbetween  us and that giant source of light.

so when that debris cloud ends up moving due to solar winds or what not,  the earth will be engulfed in light 24/7

and eventually all life will cease to exist as black holes grow and swallow everything in space  :sleep:

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sorry mate but thats just bollocks :woot:

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

Or.... the earth will get destroyed.

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yeah, except the sun doesnt have enough mass to go into a nova, it goes into Red Gaint stage, melts the surface of the earth, sheds it's "shell" (which i dont think will destroy the planets, might be wrong though) and collapses into a White or Brown Dwarf.

The sun runs out of fuel and the earth freezes?  lol?

Ever heard of Red Giant and White Dwarf?

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ehh, yeah i have.

White Dwarf's dont give off enough heat to keep Earth above 0 degrees celsius last time i checked.

Edited August 31, 2005 by The_Decryptor

[vincent]

sorry mate but thats just bollocks :woot:

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kids... :s

Please elaborate for your fellow neowinians, im suspecting your not expecting to actually contribute to this discussion.

[Heyo]

kids... :s

Please elaborate for your fellow neowinians, im suspecting your not expecting to actually contribute to this discussion.

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He is right.. The orginal poster is wrong and talking nonsense!

I read this on the Internet so it must be true...

Current scientific "theory" states the Sun and other astonomical bodies in our universe emit light, but this isn't true at all! They actually SUCK darkness! This can be directly and scientifically observed by watching the darkness get stuck on the "dark side" of planets as it being pulled into our sun. The reason we can't see the centre of our own galaxy? It's the darkness being sucked into the super massive black hole at the centre, rushing past us at incredible speeds and obstructing our view.

One day soon, the universe will exhaust its' supply of darkness and the earth will be engulfed in light 24/7! Our eyes won't be able to adapt to the brightness because evolution has been proved to be flawed and not exist, and we'll all die from starvation.

THE END.

Of course my true and uncontestable scientific fact is also substantiated by Biblical text! In the beginning there was only darkness! Then God created "light", which I am interpreting to mean he introduced the darkness sucking stars and black holes, and the darkness blocking planets and matter. Concepts that would have been two immense and foreign for people 2000 years ago to understand- hence why he just used the metaphor of "light".

This is the truth. If you don't believe it then you can't possibly understand it because you arn't a believer. yadda.. yadda.. :rofl:

[xxpor]

No

Of course he existed, he was a normal dude though

no

no

no

[Dave Veteran]

Current scientific "theory" states the Sun and other astonomical bodies in our universe emit light, but this isn't true at all! They actually SUCK darkness! This can be directly and scientifically observed by watching the darkness get stuck on the "dark side" of planets as it being pulled into our sun. The reason we can't see the centre of our own galaxy? It's the darkness being sucked into the super massive black hole at the centre, rushing past us at incredible speeds and obstructing our view.

One day soon, the universe will exhaust its' supply of darkness and the earth will be engulfed in light 24/7! Our eyes won't be able to adapt to the brightness because evolution has been proved to be flawed and not exist, and we'll all die from starvation.

THE END.

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Is this a joke?

To answer the original questions asked

I haven't the foggest idea. But I feel comfortable saying that it won't happen in '07 or '12

Yes, I believe "God" exists, though I doubt I have the same definition of God as most people.

Jesus was not a Messiah, in my opinion

Heaven? Sort of

Hell? Sort of

Life after Death? Yes

[dreamz Veteran]

When do you think the world will in?

end?

for me, when i die. i don't have license to say what would happen after that, seeing as how it can never be an object for my consciousness. extrapolation (i.e. my speculation) would be based on physical and historical processes.

Do you think god exist?

no. i have my reasons.

Does jesus exist?

i believe he was a historical figure.

Heaven?

no, for several reasons.

Hell?

"hell is other people."--sartre.

if you got that, cool. :)

Life after death?

no, but really, it makes no difference.

Some dates mentioned alot are 2007 and 2012

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those are irrelevant to me.

[ThisSiteHasLostItsCharm]

This is what i heard;

"When Earth's sun expands into a red giant star in roughly five billion years, long after Earth has become uninhabitable, the hydrogen core will be burned out and the bloated outer shell will be cool and murky."

I thought when a star becomes a red giant it explodes?

[vincent]

This is what i heard;

"When Earth's sun expands into a red giant star in roughly five billion years, long after Earth has become uninhabitable, the hydrogen core will be burned out and the bloated outer shell will be cool and murky."

I thought when a star becomes a red giant it explodes?

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It begins fusing heavier elements, iron, nickel, etc....

Towards reaching red giant stage, Earth, will not be habitable anymore, eventually this stage of growth for our sun will consume our planet, literally. Then comes the hiccups in which our star will begin to blow off it's outer layers then one last final explosion will be the supernova. After which it's own gravity will reduce it in size. Eventually becoming a brown or white dwarf. Suns of larger masses go through their nuclear fuel supply alot faster (1 million years or so) and there gravitational collapse is far greater resulting in them forming into blackholes.